Quite insightful, thanks .col!
Hopefully you'll get another tournament that'll lead to a little bit more positive coverage.

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Mattes
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Quite insightful, thanks .col! Hopefully you'll get another tournament that'll lead to a little bit more positive coverage. ![]() | ||
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On August 01 2012 17:42 TheBanana wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 17:24 omegaslast wrote: On August 01 2012 14:48 i99 wrote: On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team. The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid. The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from. please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works. source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs "Source: [...] American" << so youre speaking for foreigners..? I dont think ive ever seen an ESL person say that it helps if you start yelling and dropping words from your sentence. How come every foreigner living in Korea regardless of nationality talks to their Korean friends by dropping words and speaking more clearly? You don't think it's because they have learned that it's the best way to get them to understand? I'm not sure who's bringing the prejudice in this case, the americans or you and Snijjer. I'm leaning hard towards the latter. Not to mention the Korean Language is vastly different than English, or Latin-based languages. Korean sentences are very basic and aren't as in-depth as English. For instance: The girl is pretty would be girl pretty in Korean. A lot of people say Korean is one of the easiest languages to learn because it is as if a baby invented it. It isn't condescending to speak to Koreans like a baby, because the Korean language itself is very simple like how a baby would speak. | ||
goswser
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On August 02 2012 01:43 aMies wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2012 01:28 zachMEISTER wrote: On August 02 2012 01:23 illsick wrote: On August 02 2012 00:44 zachMEISTER wrote: On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote: On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote: On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote: On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote: On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote: On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote: + Show Spoiler + Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team. I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke) But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back. Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets. I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source? I posted this earlier, EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal. He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well. Ok, I've sat by and watched this nonsense but you need to stop. Not only are your statements libelous they are outright incorrect. True, he has probably invested as much if not more than any individual in eSports history. True, at first he funded everything. Real passion, not bullshit. This really shows how uneducated you are on the topic. He founded and owned a law firm. Most EVERY Counter-Strike fan in the world knows that. That's because it's an outright lie you made up. Show nested quote + He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from I don't even know where to start on this one. Jason never lived in Texas. He's not from Atlanta, but the Midwest originally. He lived in Atlanta for a period of time. You're honestly making things up and you look foolish. A cursory review of coL documentaries or e-@thletes (which filmed him in his LAW FIRM) would reveal more than your silly statements. I could go on but I won't. Not only are you making hurtful and false accusations against his character, you're stating outright lies. Please stop. You've obviously only read small portions of my posts. I know Lake founded his own law firm (I even stated that earlier). He also had to leave said law firm when he moved (relocated, whichever word you choose to nit-pick at) out west. Maybe the whole CGS has slipped your mind? I do believe Lake's family was also relocated for an extended period of time due to the circumstances of the living condition. AFAIK, there were 3(?) seasons? Each season spanned a couple of months equating to at least a year or so NOT in ATLANTA, which is where his whole home base was located. In fact, there was a youtube video that Lake himself posted touring his house as he left because he was reminiscing. I was obsessed with Lake and CompLexity because I'm from Atlanta, and it was so awesome to be so close to a professional counter-strike organization. And maybe I chose the wrong words to say it was a 'refusal' to pay. Rather, I should simply say, "There was a period of time in which the players were not paid their monthly salaries as stated in their contracts." It may not have been Lake refusing to pay, but rather lacking the fundage to pay their salaries. Either way, there was a period of time where the players were not paid. But what's funny is how you've completely ignored the several times I've stated that Lake is awesome. The several times that I've attributed some of the past drama to his team as well. Maybe you're just offended personally because it's your employer. Maybe not, but either way. I love compLexity, always have, and always will. | ||
creamer
Canada128 Posts
reminds me of the cpl days when frod was owning and you guys made complexity redemption! | ||
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Teachings
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Also Minigun <3. Didn't know about his condition. Awesome documentary, thanks Complexity! | ||
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