Today compLexity Gaming is pleased to announce the release of our latest documentary: compLexity: Generations.
"Generations" is a raw, unscripted, behind-the-scenes look at compLexity Gaming's trip to MLG Anaheim where you follow the owners, managers, players and children of the compLexity Family during the biggest StarCraft 2 event of 2012.
The film, shot and produced by the StarNationMovie.com crew, is intended to give our fans an honest glimpse inside our gaming family. Rather than an extended time frame we chose to focus on a single event where several generations of compLexity were in attendance. We hope you enjoy it and would like to sincerely thank you for your support.
(For more historical compLexity documentaries and movies check the description on the YouTube page.)
This was somewhat depressing to watch, but enlightening at the same time! Hope Complexity can both pick up a few big names as well as improve their existing talent.
Holy crap, this is an amazing documentary. Huge thanks to CompLexity for comissioning this, and for being honest. I'm sure a lot of stuff wasn't shown, but the scene with Lake educating the koreans on how to advertise for the sponsors and 'three months down the drain' was really something special. It gives me a lot of hope for StarNation next year!
Gotta say, I've always been a fan of the CoL terrans, and the pick up of Ganzi especially made me a bigger fan. The telephone he did with Puma and Rachel Seltzer was just brilliant. Qxc as well has always been brilliant, ever since he was the first progamer to reply to me on twitter! I love his attitude. I hope he goes far at the next MLG.
So I had the chance to hang out with Heart, goswser, and Scott in real life at MLG Columbus 2012. They're just as cool as they were in this documentary. The video is so sick. Grats coL. Looking forward to seeing goswser do work in the future. Oh, and Heart is a great guy, my favorite Korean. He's so sweet, I hope he does amazing in the future.
really good. Alot of the content in this documentary presented are known facts by alot of us but we never actually see them happen. Like how Jason Lake was briefing the Koreans before MLG, the manager role (huge, much more important than we all think), and the team's reaction to trimaster's run. Real stuff. Good Stuff.
I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
The volume I was talking, you can not hear that with a headset on. The mics were boosted.
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
The volume I was talking, you can not hear that with a headset on. The mics were boosted.
It can be surprisingly easy to hear people outside of headsets when you have them on. I know the guy personally and he told me he could at times hear you behind him talking about the game. It probably wasn't intentional, but it can be a major distraction. Why not just stand behind Gowser instead and watch him so you can critique his play rather than his opponent? It might not have made a difference, but I hate to think that it did somehow have an impact on the game.
Sorry to sound accusatory, but I would have been much more upset if I was in Anfield's position, rather than just hearing about it secondhand. Also imagine if SirScoots was standing behind QXC or some other coL player and talking behind them while they were playing an EG player and your player complained of it to you? Just food for thought.
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
The volume I was talking, you can not hear that with a headset on. The mics were boosted.
It can be surprisingly easy to hear people outside of headsets when you have them on. I know the guy personally and he told me he could at times hear you behind him talking about the game. It probably wasn't intentional, but it can be a major distraction. Why not just stand behind Gowser instead and watch him so you can critique his play rather than his opponent? It might not have made a difference, but I hate to think that it did somehow have an impact on the game.
Sorry to sound accusatory, but I would have been much more upset if I was in Anfield's position, rather than just hearing about it secondhand. Also imagine if SirScoots was standing behind QXC or some other coL player and talking behind them while they were playing an EG player and your player complained of it to you? Just food for thought.
lol is this guy for real?
is that really the part you liked? you mean you didnt enjoy the rest of it?
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
The volume I was talking, you can not hear that with a headset on. The mics were boosted.
It can be surprisingly easy to hear people outside of headsets when you have them on. I know the guy personally and he told me he could at times hear you behind him talking about the game. It probably wasn't intentional, but it can be a major distraction. Why not just stand behind Gowser instead and watch him so you can critique his play rather than his opponent? It might not have made a difference, but I hate to think that it did somehow have an impact on the game.
Sorry to sound accusatory, but I would have been much more upset if I was in Anfield's position, rather than just hearing about it secondhand. Also imagine if SirScoots was standing behind QXC or some other coL player and talking behind them while they were playing an EG player and your player complained of it to you? Just food for thought.
lol is this guy for real?
is that really the part you liked? you mean you didnt enjoy the rest of it?
He was being sarcastic and pointing out one of the "bad" parts of the film...
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
The volume I was talking, you can not hear that with a headset on. The mics were boosted.
It can be surprisingly easy to hear people outside of headsets when you have them on. I know the guy personally and he told me he could at times hear you behind him talking about the game. It probably wasn't intentional, but it can be a major distraction. Why not just stand behind Gowser instead and watch him so you can critique his play rather than his opponent? It might not have made a difference, but I hate to think that it did somehow have an impact on the game.
Sorry to sound accusatory, but I would have been much more upset if I was in Anfield's position, rather than just hearing about it secondhand. Also imagine if SirScoots was standing behind QXC or some other coL player and talking behind them while they were playing an EG player and your player complained of it to you? Just food for thought.
lol is this guy for real?
is that really the part you liked? you mean you didnt enjoy the rest of it?
He was being sarcastic and pointing out one of the "bad" parts of the film...
Exactly. Its always funny to see someone use condescension to teach a lesson about respect.
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
It's a LAN event people are free to talk and do as they please. It's not like he was shouting or screaming in the guys ear.
Its nice but definitely seems overly staged and scripted. Most documentaries feel fairly natural and flow. This one feels quite blocky and unnatural, it klunks about.
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
It's a LAN event people are free to talk and do as they please. It's not like he was shouting or screaming in the guys ear.
Are you serious? lol
Anyway, I really enjoyed the documentary, always good work from the coL guys. Didn't know minigun had crohn's, that shit is rough. Keep up the good work!
I don't feel very strongly either way about Complexity, but this is the sort of documentary I like. Actually watching stuff happen, dotted with some brief interview situations.
I just realized how much effort and work these managers and the stuff behind the Gamers put into esports and their teams in general. Just ... wow ... !
i didn't even watch this video yet but i just want to say that complexity as an organization has been so inspirational to me, and most of the time they don't really get the recognition the deserve until they portray it in one of their productions. jason lake personally to me is one of the most inspiring figures in the entire scene and i'm so thankful that they've carried over with so much hard work.
Amazingly well done, showed great moments, and I could have easily watched another two hours if there was more. The reaction of the losing side after MC did his Teemo celebration, and Heart walking sadly off the stage to be greeted by a kid who told him he was rooting for him was really great.
Loved the behind-the-scenes look and seeing more of the players' personalities.
Great vid, an awesome inside glimpse of the team and how it functions. Also, Killer is awesome ^_^ Will definitely pay more attention to the team in the future.
really enjoyed this, glad you focused on one event too. there was a solid storyline the entire way through, something i felt was lacking in the TL Rising. Would definitely watch more of these.
I wonder if Sundance uses that satellite truck line on the chicks. OMG Jason Lake flawless konglish. Player manager feels like such an amazing job, would love to know more about it.
That's the first documentary I see on SC2 progaming and I loved it, keep it up.
As a player, this video inspired me to keep going, and I feel like that's easily a sign that you just watched something great. It felt like I was watching one of those espn 30 for 30 films (okay maybe not THAT great, but close), and considering it was not about football, basketball, soccer, but starcraft, i thought that was really cool. GL complexity gaming! Hope to see a bunch of you down in raleigh
An amazing documentary showcasing some wonderful and also some really saddening moments- i remember watching a few of them live. Hope you guys can do another in the future- Complexity Fighting!
On August 01 2012 11:37 Gojira621 wrote: As a player, this video inspired me to keep going, and I feel like that's easily a sign that you just watched something great. It felt like I was watching one of those espn 30 for 30 films (okay maybe not THAT great, but close), and considering it was not about football, basketball, soccer, but starcraft, i thought that was really cool. GL complexity gaming! Hope to see a bunch of you down in raleigh
Really great video, the video has a very depressing tone showing mostly sad faces after a loss instead of happy wins. I think Col should be very happy soon because I can only imagine how good these players will get with their team house now. I think everyone they got are brilliant players. no one should question QXC or minigun as state of the art, versatile, and adaptable machines
Great, after seeing this i am certain that the StarNation guys are on the right track to make a great documentation about Starcraft 2. I give 2 party thumbs
On August 01 2012 10:03 Alkresh wrote: I like the part at around 9:40 when they stand behind Gowser's opponent and talk loudly and basically say how Gowser just needs to finish him. Not like that would be a distraction or anything. Very manner coL.
It's a LAN event people are free to talk and do as they please. It's not like he was shouting or screaming in the guys ear.
Are you serious? lol
Uhh.. ya I am?
If you can't handle the pressure of people talking around you, loud music in venues, screaming crowds, then stick to playing in your bedroom and don't sign up to play at LAN events.
On August 01 2012 13:02 zachMEISTER wrote: For everyone asking for more Complexity documentaries, check out their other two Counter-Strike based documentaries: Armageddon Redemption
for redemption movie. 7:45
one of jason lakes most popular cs moments. *chair kick* "BRING ME THE PISTOLS"
you can never doubt this man's passion for his team
I thoroughly enjoyed that video. Well done Star Nation Crew, can't wait to see more from you guys. See y'all at the next BarCraft as well!
I also really like getting to see more of the compLexity team and staff. I've been following the them a bit more closely since they came out with The Executives, which is a good show btw, and now I'm definitely even more of a fan after getting to see more of their personalities. Now I'm hoping to see the whole compLexity crew level up and become a stronger third contender in the rivalry between TeamLiquid and Evil Geniuses.
On August 01 2012 13:02 zachMEISTER wrote: For everyone asking for more Complexity documentaries, check out their other two Counter-Strike based documentaries: Armageddon Redemption
for redemption movie. 7:45
one of jason lakes most popular cs moments. *chair kick* "BRING ME THE PISTOLS"
you can never doubt this man's passion for his team
Oh wow...even though I'm a Liquid fan, I definitely think that this documentary is better than Liquid Rising in terms of giving the audience another look into the life of those CEOs and Team Managers while Liquid Rising is just basically going over biographies of the team members. Good one!
This is great! In all honesty i found this more interesting then Liquid Rising but maybe that's because i didn't know anything about complexity before.
I really liked the style of this more than Liquid Rising which felt like a constant stream of people complimenting each other on having unmet potential.
Hopefully we get something like this from Liquid in the future.
Really stellar documentary! Not going to lie I never paid much attention to compLexity but that's changed from this doc. Definitely going to be rooting for the coL guys from here on out.
wow i used to actually hate complexity except your dota team (jeyo<3) and I'm not sure why I had a negative bias towards the brand but seeing the sections with the CEO talking about school and the players really sold me. I will no longer blindly hate complexity for whatever reason I used to hate you guys lol!
Awesome documentary. This is what liquid rising was supposed to be I guess (but possibly more extensive) Been a huge fan of minigun since day1! COL FIGHTING!!!11
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works.
source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs
Such a good documentary, I didn't know that minigun has Crohns disease, I use him as an example to get all of my FPS friends into this game because most of them are scared by it.
Really a good behind-the-scenes look at the management of a team. Different perspective from Liquid Rising in that Liquid Rising was more of the players themselves, whereas Generations was more about the team in general.
ugghhhhhhhhh this makes me want to strive to be pro even more!!!!!!!!!!! I'd totally be on complexity and "throw a few back and forget about the loses" heh :D
I have to say without a doubt J.LAKE and COL are stepping it up in a big way not only with the house but their academy and the production value on this doc was pretty stupendous I mean seriously good job.
I cannot wait to see what happens once their in house studio is finished / assembled?
EG better be on the look out they are gonna have REAL competition with a rival org.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke)
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
Don't be ridiculous. Simplifying/dumbing down your grammar and using the simplest words you can to get the point across is the best way to talk to someone who's bad at the language.
I work with a couple of guys who don't speak English well and that's exactly how I communicate with them. If I were to try talking to them like I would any other native English speaker, they'd be lost and confused.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
Because you are not good at English doesn't mean you are stupid. He talks to them the way they understand best, nothing wrong about that.
That was the perfect way to talk to them, it wasn't stereotypical. If I had someone speaking to me in Japanese, I would MUCH rather have them speak in that manner because I can't understand or sift through the other fluff that they add in to make it "correct". Simple and to the point is the best way to convey the message.
On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote: Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
I actually really like that they included the bit where JLake says "3 months down the drain" when hearing that Trimaster got knocked out early in the NA WCS. It's brutal, but honest, and (sorry Live on Three), pretty no fluff. It was also pleasant to see JLake also give Trimaster some honest and inspiring words after.
On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote: Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
In addition, cs players are a lot more 'bm' than sc2 players. You have to consider the context of that interview. The cs scene was nowhere near as lucrative as the sc2 scene and there was a lot more player movement between clans and relationships that went sour. Whatever happened doesnt take away from any of the succeses both frod and complexity enjoyed together.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
While I will say that I know absolutely nothing the situation with fRoD, I will remind you that business, whether it be e-sports or otherwise, has always been and always will be a cut-throat place. The CEO's primary job is to make a profit and help the company grow. You'll never do this by being the nice guy all the time. Of course Jason Lake will put on the nice guy face in front of the camera, just like every single other CEO/team owner will. Behind the scenes you bet your ass tough decisons are made that are in the best interest of the company, while at the same time probably screwing someone else. While these decisions may very well be legal, they will not always be ethical. There in lies the nature of the beast.
Bottomline, and what I'm trying to get at with all this mumbo jumbo, is that nobody becomes a CEO or a head of a company by being the nice guy all the time. They get there by having great business sense, and knowing when to be a hardass, and when to be the good guy. I'm not trying to overly defend the guy, just don't be too quick to judge.
On August 01 2012 15:45 Gamegene wrote: Oh my god. That really disappointing walk from the booth, only to be intercepted by a young boy looking for Heart's autograph.
"I was cheering for you."
T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T TOUCHED MY HEART.
edit ok wow didn't do that on purpose i swear
Yeah that was awesome, great documentary it looks very professional.
This was awesome, I love watching/hearing Jason Lake basically being the boss and I gained a new appreciation for Jason Bass and all the complexity players. Well done.
Heart signing the autograph of the kid right after his loss... Man...
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works.
source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs
"Source: [...] American" << so youre speaking for foreigners..?
I dont think ive ever seen an ESL person say that it helps if you start yelling and dropping words from your sentence.
Now that's a documentary. The focus on one event so that it tells a story and not trying to sugar coat everything is what gives it strength.
The best parts for me: - It showed how Complexity as a team took part in an event. - "3 months down the drain" - The footage of Heart after the loss and how you handle your players in general. - How hungry you are for results, how much you lived or died on each player's progress.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works.
source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs
"Source: [...] American" << so youre speaking for foreigners..?
I dont think ive ever seen an ESL person say that it helps if you start yelling and dropping words from your sentence.
How come every foreigner living in Korea regardless of nationality talks to their Korean friends by dropping words and speaking more clearly?
You don't think it's because they have learned that it's the best way to get them to understand? I'm not sure who's bringing the prejudice in this case, the americans or you and Snijjer. I'm leaning hard towards the latter.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works.
source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs
"Source: [...] American" << so youre speaking for foreigners..?
I dont think ive ever seen an ESL person say that it helps if you start yelling and dropping words from your sentence.
How come every foreigner living in Korea regardless of nationality talks to their Korean friends by dropping words and speaking more clearly?
You don't think it's because they have learned that it's the best way to get them to understand? I'm not sure who's bringing the prejudice in this case, the americans or you and Snijjer. I'm leaning hard towards the latter.
Let people be offended. A lot of the people getting offended about this, basically have no idea how it is if you do not know a language well and have to understand it.
Nice documentary, was interesting to watch, especially the honesty happening there.
Wow, that was really great, it was kind of what I was hoping liquid rising was going to be, just a really honest look at the lifestyle, as opposed to having all the players just saying how much they love eachother :D
Really nice insight into the way you guys operate at an event, the relationship between staff/players, and the way you have to juggle family, work, and esports.
This is basically what I'd hoped LR would be, albeit over a much smaller timeframe.
really really good made me pay far more attention to their players in the future! quite a lot better than liquid rising due to the more personal stuff in the video.
Woah, great work on this one! I really liked the camera work and the behind the scenes feel to it. There seems to be a lot of pressure on the players. Poor Trimaster, I guess it’s not such a dream job.
Interesting mini doc but I have to say that the future does not look bright for Complexity, if they are unwilling to push their players or even to get players that are serious professionals that take esports seriously they really can't compete in today's climate.
This is good stuff, basically what LiquidRising should have been. Actual behind the scenes stuff, tournament preparation, sponsor stuff, talk between manager and player etc. etc.
On August 01 2012 20:38 Krogan wrote: Interesting mini doc but I have to say that the future does not look bright for Complexity, if they are unwilling to push their players or even to get players that are serious professionals that take esports seriously they really can't compete in today's climate.
Everyone on Complexity is incredibly motivated. Even as far reaching as the managers for the academy team. If you ever get the chance you should talk to some of them at a live event. The players, and even the mangers, are some of the most competitive people you'll ever meet. The good thing about Complexity is that the team managers understand that you shouldn't take things away from players that literally may alter, or negatively affect their life. Besides, a lot of the players involved in complexity are young and in college, but look at QXC. He finished college and is now playing full time for Complexity. I'd say that's a serious professional, especially if you saw how he stated his goals in the video. !
and edit: you may want to watch some of the old Complexity Counter Strike raw footage documentaries to really get an idea of how behind his players Jason, the CEO of the team, really is. He's pretty amazing :D
To look behind the scenes like that really is a treat for us fans, imho. So thank you very much for doing and sharing this! I really enjoyed watching the whole thing!
I liked how not everything said in this documentary is positive about the team. It doesn't seem like a commercial, and it's very fun to watch.
Also, Jason Lake is the only team leader who understands that it's beneficial for him to be one of -- if not the -- biggest star on Col. Players might come and go, but he'll always be on the team.
On August 01 2012 20:38 Krogan wrote: Interesting mini doc but I have to say that the future does not look bright for Complexity, if they are unwilling to push their players or even to get players that are serious professionals that take esports seriously they really can't compete in today's climate.
it's not like that at all. Players have to motivate themselves. It doesn't matter what the team/managers do or say to make them better. The game isn't figured out as much yet so coaching to pro players aren't traditional coaching you find in our daily sports. I don't see them as unwilling to push their players.
In the western scene, many players are studying in school right now. They're taking the football approach where they want their players to have a diploma or degree so after they're done player they will still have a future and career to pursue. I'm pretty sure the Korean players go to college/university too. Just think of how many pros are in med school right now? That's pretty much one of the most time consuming program out there. Stephano, Minigun, Suppy, etc.
The managers don't yell at the players because they have to keep their spirits high. They're pushing them but in a positive way. If Ed just bitched at Heart after he lost to Socke, what do you think that would achieve?
I can see how some people might feel a bit overwhelmed with the marketing side of things in this video but they got to understand that this is the reality of esports right now as well as many other competitive scenes outside of esports. Sponsors make everything we have possible including this very website we all communicate on. I love how this documentary spends some time showing how the players take part in the marketing aspect and doesn't just shove "love of the game" fluff down your throat. If being on a pro team meant I had to flaunt my sponsors you bet your ass I'd be down to do so whenever possible.
That was a well-produced 20 minute documentary. In those 20 minutes I was able to see how the players are treated, how well the players communicate with management (Lake), and what goes on behind the scenes on coL. The player management is a perspective I have never seen before.
If this is actually how it truly is on coL, props to JLake. I love the fact that he puts education first and foremost over all things. As great as we know eSports is, we all know it's not sustainable living forever.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
Don't be ridiculous. Simplifying/dumbing down your grammar and using the simplest words you can to get the point across is the best way to talk to someone who's bad at the language.
I work with a couple of guys who don't speak English well and that's exactly how I communicate with them. If I were to try talking to them like I would any other native English speaker, they'd be lost and confused.
" Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right "
I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way.
This was very well done. 1) It wasn't perfect, but along the way you hope to capture some really honest moments. As others have pointed out, Heart/MC/defeat/young fan/autograph was just a perfect moment. Having one of those in a 20 minute short is very good.
2) Jason Lake's "lecture" about the water bottles is the exact sort of behind-the-scenes detail you want to see. It's not ridiculously interesting, but it's something that you wouldn't normally think about. I appreciated the glimpse into the business of esports, especially, again, in only a 20 minute short.
3) I really appreciated Jason Lake's talking head about education. It's something I think about a lot as a 30-something watching esports. These kids are super-talented, but probably even more so than professional sports, a career isn't going to span more than a few years (as a player; Day[9] is the perfect example of someone who got an advanced degree and transitioned into different roles within esports). This talking head made me appreciate the players and team more than before. A huge success for a documentary of this sort.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
Don't be ridiculous. Simplifying/dumbing down your grammar and using the simplest words you can to get the point across is the best way to talk to someone who's bad at the language.
I work with a couple of guys who don't speak English well and that's exactly how I communicate with them. If I were to try talking to them like I would any other native English speaker, they'd be lost and confused.
" Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right "
I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way.
Cool story bro, doesnt mean that Jason isnt a great guy, just means he is not as used to communcating and manageing Koreans as some other members of his crew because he is busy doing other things. He is running a pro gaming team, not an embassy.
I've never heard anyone except QXC say those words in english in any video I've watched in my entire life of following esports. He is a true inspiration and good role model.
On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote: Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
Don't be ridiculous. Simplifying/dumbing down your grammar and using the simplest words you can to get the point across is the best way to talk to someone who's bad at the language.
I work with a couple of guys who don't speak English well and that's exactly how I communicate with them. If I were to try talking to them like I would any other native English speaker, they'd be lost and confused.
" Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right "
I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way.
Absolutely agree with Snijjer, that was my thought as soon as I saw that. None of the clients at the clinic I work at speak English but I still treat everyone as equals even in conversation. Plenty of gesturing is good I think but there's a patronizing tone used there that was kinda gross.
With that said, I fucking love JLake and that was a cool little documentary.
I really enjoyed seeing behind the scenes. I liked the water bottle part and how it shows how the players interact and promote the sponsers. I like this more than just seeing the same old interviews like in the liquid one. This one was short sweet and told a story of an event. well done!
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
On August 02 2012 00:16 CutieBK wrote: Wow, I'm a bit blown away by this. It feels really raw and gritty yet shows alot of heart too
Extremely interesting to see a real behind the scenes of eSports. I would definitely watch more of this!
Ha you are right, it does show alot of HEART. Heart is easily in my top 3 favorite sc2 players. I met him at Columbus, he was so humble and cool. Now he is in code S, so yall better watch out!
Also got to meet Killer, his English was pretty good. He kept saying he 'fucked up' after I asked him how his games went. I felt bad but he was still in good spirits and just having a great time interacting with fans.
I think the greatest thing that I saw in this was they were focusing on these kids, and you can see the KESPA players just playing something, but unfocused.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to his refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
Oh, and another great thing about this documentary is that it changed my opinion on LAN. I'm a newbie, played SC/BW, but never on battle.net. I think the SCII battle.net is super slick, great, etc. I've always appreciated Blizzard's stance that they designed it from the ground up and so LAN really isn't feasible. But they need to figure out some work-around solution to eliminate lag for live events. With an online qualifier or tournament (like TSL) it's obvious and understandable, but it's absurd that Heart experienced lag while sitting accross from his opponent (and his opponent didn't). This is so obvious, I'm actually a little disgusted with Blizzard for never really addressing it. How much money do they really think they lost due to piracy of BW compared to its ability to be the top tier competitive game? There must be a way to create some sort of LAN module that can be licensed to major tournament organizers like GSL/MLG/IPL which would allow them to limit piracy and track game data.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
We all miss counter-strike!
^_^
CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
Well done, felt like a proper documentary. A solid storyline is very important for a good documentary imo, something that Teamliquids documentary lacked.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic.
Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic.
Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic.
Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray.
And frod isnt exactly the saint you proclaim him to be either but he is still one of my favorite players of all time. You said it yourself: 6 years ago. Times have changed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic.
Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray.
And frod isnt exactly the saint you proclaim him to be either but he is still one of my favorite players of all time. You said it yourself: 6 years ago. Times have changed.
You're right, times have changed. And I'm sure Lake wasn't the only one to blame for the whole situation. But that particular instance was more actively Lake, than the players.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
I posted this earlier,
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
We all miss counter-strike!
^_^
CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now.
On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
We all miss counter-strike!
^_^
CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now.
as far as playing wise it's not as good as most CSS'ers and 1.6ers like... but loads of top 1.6 and CSS pros already made the switch(f0rest, get_right, n0thing, swag, VERYGAMES, mTw, Dyanmic, etc) and there are many more to come. 1.6 is dead, CSS has always been dead, and many good top COD players have already made the switch, as well as Battlefield top teams. So it's going to be huge... finally a fps game that might bring together 1.6, CSS, COD and Battlefield all in 1 game. Sounds promising eh?
On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
We all miss counter-strike!
^_^
CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now.
as far as playing wise it's not as good as most CSS'ers and 1.6ers like... but loads of top 1.6 and CSS pros already made the switch(f0rest, get_right, n0thing, swag, VERYGAMES, mTw, Dyanmic, etc) and there are many more to come. 1.6 is dead, CSS has always been dead, and many good top COD players have already made the switch, as well as Battlefield top teams. So it's going to be huge... finally a fps game that might bring together 1.6, CSS, COD and Battlefield all in 1 game. Sounds promising eh?
^^
Yeah what this guy said. When complexity is looking to fill its future cs:go roster, just rememeber that I am currently a free agent and have very reasonable salary demands lolol
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
Ok, I've sat by and watched this nonsense but you need to stop. Not only are your statements libelous they are outright incorrect.
Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization
True, he has probably invested as much if not more than any individual in eSports history.
they didn't have sponsors
True, at first he funded everything. Real passion, not bullshit.
Lake didn't have a job
This really shows how uneducated you are on the topic. He founded and owned a law firm. Most EVERY Counter-Strike fan in the world knows that.
I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay
That's because it's an outright lie you made up.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from
I don't even know where to start on this one. Jason never lived in Texas. He's not from Atlanta, but the Midwest originally. He lived in Atlanta for a period of time. You're honestly making things up and you look foolish. A cursory review of coL documentaries or e-@thletes (which filmed him in his LAW FIRM) would reveal more than your silly statements.
I could go on but I won't. Not only are you making hurtful and false accusations against his character, you're stating outright lies. Please stop.
Jason Lake is one of my FAVORITE people in eSports. Glad to see coL "resurrected" ... wish 3D went the same way but I can't blame Torbull for focusing on other things.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
That article didn't claim anything about Lake not paying. I knew about coL's history already and I just read it to see if I was missing something about the payment, and I didn't see anything.
I knew Lake moved because of CGS (studio is in LA somewhere) from Atlanta. The house in Texas was a team house for his players. Yes it's cheaper there but so is the EG house location, just a smart business decision? The CGS paid their players so the payment issue you claim with Lake must have been before CGS. Lake even said in this video that he was unemployed but that's because the CGS tanked hard, he gambled with CGS and it failed. If anything, it sort of admirable because he didn't half-heartedly put his efforts in but went all out.
This is actually the first gaming movie that made me realize that esports is a gaming industry and a business, and that there is very little fun to be expected.
Really enjoyed this, gave a differnt look on things compared to what ive watched before. Cool to see these guys balance their family lives as well as a progaming team. Really cool really well done, cant wait for more. I think were going to see a lot more out of coL these days im looking forward to it!
Long-time coL fan here, absolutely loved Redemption and Armaggedon, and Generations sure as hell didn't disappoint me. Don't need hype for releases when the quality is fantastic.
On August 01 2012 14:39 Snijjer wrote: I wouldn't want to be a Korean on that team.
The way the CEO was talking to them was so terribly stereotypically American - as if they are deaf and stupid.
The way that gets parodied in movies, now you know where it comes from.
please stop saying dumb shit. its easier for Koreans to understand English sentences when its broken down like that. People don't talk to them because we think they are stupid we do it because it works.
source: Korean American that talks to a lot of fobs
"Source: [...] American" << so youre speaking for foreigners..?
I dont think ive ever seen an ESL person say that it helps if you start yelling and dropping words from your sentence.
How come every foreigner living in Korea regardless of nationality talks to their Korean friends by dropping words and speaking more clearly?
You don't think it's because they have learned that it's the best way to get them to understand? I'm not sure who's bringing the prejudice in this case, the americans or you and Snijjer. I'm leaning hard towards the latter.
Not to mention the Korean Language is vastly different than English, or Latin-based languages. Korean sentences are very basic and aren't as in-depth as English.
For instance: The girl is pretty would be girl pretty in Korean. A lot of people say Korean is one of the easiest languages to learn because it is as if a baby invented it. It isn't condescending to speak to Koreans like a baby, because the Korean language itself is very simple like how a baby would speak.
Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team.
But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back.
Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about.
No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6.
Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies.
Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up.
It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome.
And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
I posted this earlier,
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
Ok, I've sat by and watched this nonsense but you need to stop. Not only are your statements libelous they are outright incorrect.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from
I don't even know where to start on this one. Jason never lived in Texas. He's not from Atlanta, but the Midwest originally. He lived in Atlanta for a period of time. You're honestly making things up and you look foolish. A cursory review of coL documentaries or e-@thletes (which filmed him in his LAW FIRM) would reveal more than your silly statements.
I could go on but I won't. Not only are you making hurtful and false accusations against his character, you're stating outright lies. Please stop.
You've obviously only read small portions of my posts. I know Lake founded his own law firm (I even stated that earlier). He also had to leave said law firm when he moved (relocated, whichever word you choose to nit-pick at) out west. Maybe the whole CGS has slipped your mind? I do believe Lake's family was also relocated for an extended period of time due to the circumstances of the living condition. AFAIK, there were 3(?) seasons? Each season spanned a couple of months equating to at least a year or so NOT in ATLANTA, which is where his whole home base was located.
In fact, there was a youtube video that Lake himself posted touring his house as he left because he was reminiscing. I was obsessed with Lake and CompLexity because I'm from Atlanta, and it was so awesome to be so close to a professional counter-strike organization. And maybe I chose the wrong words to say it was a 'refusal' to pay. Rather, I should simply say, "There was a period of time in which the players were not paid their monthly salaries as stated in their contracts." It may not have been Lake refusing to pay, but rather lacking the fundage to pay their salaries. Either way, there was a period of time where the players were not paid.
But what's funny is how you've completely ignored the several times I've stated that Lake is awesome. The several times that I've attributed some of the past drama to his team as well. Maybe you're just offended personally because it's your employer. Maybe not, but either way. I love compLexity, always have, and always will.
Wow, I know it's been said already, but that scene where Heart loses to MC and then signs an autograph... that's so powerful! Must have been really hard for Heart. Major props, definitely a fan now.
Man I remember the first day that coL showed up in cs 1.6, and how much people just absolutely hated them because they broke up u5. some 10 years later, coL has shown that the people in their front office that manage their players are the things that have kept it alive. Hats off to Jason Lake and his crew, really excited to see what the future holds for that organization.
Great movie, allthough Im not sure the community shouldve seen that talk with the koreans about faking the drinking ^^ was funny though. Do you have more footage of Flash Bisu etc playing ..table-socceR?
This video gave me an interesting perspective on a pro team, definitely a good watch! Definitely love how Complexity's management looks out for their players' future, as opposed to forcing them to invest 100% of their time and resources to purely gaming.
Just watched it again and man, that close up of Scott Ford (?) around 15:30-50 is so strong. I don´t know who took that lose more serious the player or player manager.
Really amazing piece of work, although I´m a huge Liquid fan this vid gave me much more. All the best for the players and everyone else related with Complexity.
On August 02 2012 14:29 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Great movie, allthough Im not sure the community shouldve seen that talk with the koreans about faking the drinking ^^ was funny though.
It's not really that surprising though and they're certainly not the only team that does it. If you watch IdrA's stream he always makes sure to take a big chug of Monster as often as he can.
On August 02 2012 14:29 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Great movie, allthough Im not sure the community shouldve seen that talk with the koreans about faking the drinking ^^ was funny though.
It's not really that surprising though and they're certainly not the only team that does it. If you watch IdrA's stream he always makes sure to take a big chug of Monster as often as he can.
yea and im sure the monster bottles are usually just filled with water
On August 03 2012 09:10 Wertheron wrote: "God, family, complexity"..... So american.... They must talk about god everywhere, everytime XD
Yes, that ONE time that was mentioned. It was a bit unfortunatly it happend at the beginning. It left a bitter taste for me as well quite at the start. But I think the rest really made up for it and that´s really personal opinion/feeling.
Can´t complaint for it really, that´s just opinions crashing and getting it straight to the face isn´t the best :D But must be hard to put God above these cute children, congratz on that But then again, the education is everything.
On August 03 2012 09:10 Wertheron wrote: "God, family, complexity"..... So american.... They must talk about god everywhere, everytime XD
Yes, that ONE time that was mentioned. It was a bit unfortunatly it happend at the beginning. It left a bitter taste for me as well quite at the start. But I think the rest really made up for it and that´s really personal opinion/feeling.
Can´t complaint for it really, that´s just opinions crashing and getting it straight to the face isn´t the best :D But must be hard to put God above these cute children, congratz on that But then again, the education is everything.
I am sure that to Jason Lake, putting God above all things means that he tries as hard as possible to follow God's will and take care of his family and those that he cares about before himself. Just because you lack understanding doesnt make him dumb or ignorant. I love that its at the begining as well because it sets the tone for everything that follows. His team is a 'family' no matter if they win or lose and he is always looking out for them.
On August 03 2012 09:10 Wertheron wrote: "God, family, complexity"..... So american.... They must talk about god everywhere, everytime XD
Yes, that ONE time that was mentioned. It was a bit unfortunatly it happend at the beginning. It left a bitter taste for me as well quite at the start. But I think the rest really made up for it and that´s really personal opinion/feeling.
Can´t complaint for it really, that´s just opinions crashing and getting it straight to the face isn´t the best :D But must be hard to put God above these cute children, congratz on that But then again, the education is everything.
I am sure that to Jason Lake, putting God above all things means that he tries as hard as possible to follow God's will and take care of his family and those that he cares about before himself. Just because you lack understanding doesnt make him dumb or ignorant. I love that its at the begining as well because it sets the tone for everything that follows. His team is a 'family' no matter if they win or lose and he is always looking out for them.
In no way I wanted to say the he is "dumb or ignorant". If you got the last 2 sentences wrong perhaps I worded it bad. It was just meant to be a compliment about his seemingly well raised children.
And infact I just posted to tell the poster I quoted that the "everywhere, everytime" is completely wrong.
Just watched video for second time....really cool, personal, and insightful! Was one of the few videos that has captured some of the true pressures of being a pro gamer.
On August 03 2012 09:10 Wertheron wrote: "God, family, complexity"..... So american.... They must talk about god everywhere, everytime XD
Yes, that ONE time that was mentioned. It was a bit unfortunatly it happend at the beginning. It left a bitter taste for me as well quite at the start. But I think the rest really made up for it and that´s really personal opinion/feeling.
Can´t complaint for it really, that´s just opinions crashing and getting it straight to the face isn´t the best :D But must be hard to put God above these cute children, congratz on that But then again, the education is everything.
I have to say, it felt so weird to hear him say that, but I guess that's just a cultural thing.
I've only watched the first 6 or 7 minutes so far but I'm really liking this, I feel like I know Complexity so much better just from watching a few minutes.
Great stuff again from compLexity. I loved the CS1.6 documentary back in the days and this one aswell. Basically it is what I personally wanted Team Liquids documentary to be.
If that was the scene of the 2 player managers (sorry, don´t know who Anfield is) the only reason you hear them is because of microfons. I would be surprised if he heard anything of them due to headset and ambient sounds.
On August 07 2012 04:02 Hondelul wrote: If that was the scene of the 2 player managers (sorry, don´t know who Anfield is) the only reason you hear them is because of microfons. I would be surprised if he heard anything of them due to headset and ambient sounds.
Even with micros it I didn´t hear anyone "scream"
Even so, if you ever been to an MLG, there is nothing you could do really. Players have to play in front of fans and others no matter what and its up to the player to focus on the game. Its part of playing a lan tournament and not an online tournament. When football teams play away games they have to deal with an entire stadium cheering against them at the top of their lungs. This isnt your parent's basement anymore ya know?
Did you quote the wrong guy or why do you think you must make a comment about my parents basement? If you didn´t get it, in other word I said "No, I´m not upset they stood behind him. And nobody screamed". If I should rephrase it once again please tell me!
On August 07 2012 04:02 Hondelul wrote: If that was the scene of the 2 player managers (sorry, don´t know who Anfield is) the only reason you hear them is because of microfons. I would be surprised if he heard anything of them due to headset and ambient sounds.
Even with micros it I didn´t hear anyone "scream"
Even so, if you ever been to an MLG, there is nothing you could do really. Players have to play in front of fans and others no matter what and its up to the player to focus on the game. Its part of playing a lan tournament and not an online tournament. When football teams play away games they have to deal with an entire stadium cheering against them at the top of their lungs. This isnt your parent's basement anymore ya know?
Oh god if only you knew what some of the fans screamed at players at point blank for a throw in
but seriously this documentary was really amazing, learned something about product placement and pleasing sponsors and so on
that kid at 16:30 "i was cheering for you" oh man what a guy
On August 07 2012 04:14 Hondelul wrote: Did you quote the wrong guy or why do you think you must make a comment about my parents basement? If you didn´t get it, in other word I said "No, I´m not upset they stood behind him. And nobody screamed". If I should rephrase it once again please tell me!
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