I recently wrote an article on how to stop tilting while playing poker/video games. I believe the methods of preventing rage in poker are interchangeable to gaming in general. I used to be a sc2 semi-pro gamer and now I play poker full time, I use alot of skills learned from my starcraft career in poker,
Playing ladder is very similar to grinding poker games, transitioning from starcraft to poker was fairly easy for me as many of the skills I learned came from my days of grinding ladder, time efficiency, maintaining your cool and replay analysis are all big factors in being good at both Poker and Starcraft. I excel at both games so i think this might be some helpful insight to you guys on how pro's deal with rage/tilt when things aren't going your way.
No matter how good you are, you will always have opportunity to find things to improve with your mindset. Some key pillars of mantaining good practice sessions are:
1) Know When to Stop after Bad Beats 2) Exercise your Body 3) Eat Better 4) Take Frequent Breaks 5) Have a Pet
Tip 1) Be good enough to not lose Tip 2) Play a good game where skill will allow you to win Tip 3) Repeat 1 and 2 as needed Tip 4) Significant other Tip 5) Rock the boat
I do like your tips, however, #3.. while it's very true... whether you're eating your 5th chocolate bar or some complex carbs, you'll still rage/tilt regardless. But I believe you're saying that you'll perform closer to your peak and therefore not lose as much and not rage, which is accurate and I think not enough people look at that side of things.
On July 24 2012 09:43 phodacbiet wrote: "Often times if I am getting flustered or stressed out while playing a spend 10 minutes to stroke my cat, then I come back fine."
Your message is good, but you desperately need an editor.
This is your first "sentence": Throughout my experience as a professional gamer and poker player I have spent a lot of time developing ways of coping with tilt and frustration when you are losing, you carry on despite your skill going down the drain the more and more you get frustrated, it can be a vicious cycle while playing a hard game, especially when money is on the line like Poker; here are my Top 5 Tips on How to Stop Poker Tilt.
This is closer to what it should be (better phrasing may be possible): Throughout my experience as a professional gamer and poker player, I have spent a lot of time developing ways of coping with the frustration that comes from losing, which, if not dealt with properly, can put one on tilt. When on tilt, a player continues to play despite mounting frustration from losing. This frustration causes the player to lose focus and lose the game, which adds to his frustration, which makes it harder to focus, etc. It's a vicious cycle that can form in harder games, especially in games like Poker, where money is on the line. Here are my Top 5 Tips on How to Stop Poker Tilt.
That's just a start, but even nailing down some simple things (like having one idea per sentence and eliminating run-ons) would help.
On July 24 2012 09:43 phodacbiet wrote: "Often times if I am getting flustered or stressed out while playing a spend 10 minutes to stroke my cat, then I come back fine."
On July 24 2012 10:12 MShaw006 wrote: Your message is good, but you desperately need an editor.
This is your first "sentence": Throughout my experience as a professional gamer and poker player I have spent a lot of time developing ways of coping with tilt and frustration when you are losing, you carry on despite your skill going down the drain the more and more you get frustrated, it can be a vicious cycle while playing a hard game, especially when money is on the line like Poker; here are my Top 5 Tips on How to Stop Poker Tilt.
This is closer to what it should be (better phrasing may be possible): Throughout my experience as a professional gamer and poker player, I have spent a lot of time developing ways of coping with the frustration that comes from losing, which, if not dealt with properly, can put one on tilt. When on tilt, a player continues to play despite mounting frustration from losing. This frustration causes the player to lose focus and lose the game, which adds to his frustration, which makes it harder to focus, etc. It's a vicious cycle that can form in harder games, especially in games like Poker, where money is on the line. Here are my Top 5 Tips on How to Stop Poker Tilt.
That's just a start, but even nailing down some simple things (like having one idea per sentence and eliminating run-ons) would help.
Good advice with the exception of the referral to Durianrider the borderline psychotic, vitriolic vegan that willfully ignores actual nutrition research to propogate the unfounded notion that human beings ought to be eating 80% of their calories from carbohydrates (all while avoiding the evil that is animal products, of course) for optimal health. That Durianrider himself is prone to make hateful, rage-induced youtube videos attacking various people who disagree with his ideology (often for very defensible reasons) might make one wonder that his diet is at all helpful in dealing with anger/tilt problems.
A short list of accessible material that challenges such notions, indirectly or directly:
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes
The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith (a nice review here)
Not trying to start a dietary flame war, but I felt compelled to offer alternative nutritional advice, if only because I think the sort proffered by Durianriders and his ilk is so much unsubstantiated garbage, motivated more by misguided moralism than rational inquiry or any holistic comprehension of human biochemistry and evolution.
I like the intent here, but your post shows minimal effort, essentially saying "these are 5 tips to not tilt! CLICK HERE <offsite link>". The actual article is short enough to include in your post. We frown on veiled advertisements here. Add a summary or the entire article to your post or I'm closing this thread.
On July 24 2012 11:10 TroW wrote: Good advice with the exception of the referral to Durianrider the borderline psychotic, vitriolic vegan that willfully ignores actual nutrition research to propogate the unfounded notion that human beings ought to be eating 80% of their calories from carbohydrates (all while avoiding the evil that is animal products, of course) for optimal health. That Durianrider himself is prone to make hateful, rage-induced youtube videos attacking various people who disagree with his ideology (often for very defensible reasons) might make one wonder that his diet is at all helpful in dealing with anger/tilt problems.
A short list of accessible material that challenges such notions, indirectly or directly:
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes
The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith (a nice review here)
Not trying to start a dietary flame war, but I felt compelled to offer alternative nutritional advice, if only because I think the sort proffered by Durianriders and his ilk is so much unsubstantiated garbage, motivated more by misguided moralism than rational inquiry or any holistic comprehension of human biochemistry and evolution.
Very good articles. I could post many articles on which foods to eat, and which to avoid
If you can chill, chill. No matter how serious you take it there's no sense in getting worked up over a ladder game. And even if you're a pro all it takes is some self control to take the loss on the chin. Exhibit A, White Ra. If everyone in the world was more like White Ra we'd live in a kind of paradise utopia.
On July 24 2012 11:42 plasmidghost wrote: I stopped caring and just focused on improving. Worked out fine for me in both SC2 and LoL. Also, Phil Ivey is the man.
I think that's a big part of it that can help. If you put less emphasis on winning, you can devote all your energy to just getting better, regardless of win or lose. Now, obviously if your on some sort of ten game losing streak, it may be time to take a break. Only caring about winning or losing your ladder games can be quite detrimental of becoming a better player.
or u could just enjoy the game regardless of winning or losing addict style ftW of course with games such as sc or poker u'd have to enjoy the challenge as well
Coming from the pokerscene going into SC2, I can say it took me some years, but I don't rage anymore. I used to rage so hard -even destroying things like keyboard, headsets n' stuff- I came to the point where I was kinda ashamed I'm raging so hard so I just stopped. I accepted bad beats, I accepted if I have a losingday it was just self-discipline. I took this mindset over to SC2 laddering and it just worked fine. Of course there will come moments when it is hard to keep your calm, but just lean back and take a deep breath. If this isn't enough or you can't controll yourself, go outside, take a walk, get a coffee or tee. At the end of the day it's just a game which you play on your free will and you can always stop, don't let the game take control over you.
Jokes aside. Working out really is good to not rage so fast. You have balance between playing a game and 'real' activities. Also eating healthy, I don't know if it helps you, but you certainly should eat and drink well while playing or before, because it will help you to have higher stamina and concentration.
Don't play if you don't feel well. There is just no use. If you don't feel comfortable with yourself or the place around you, don't play. Hard for professionals obviously. I know Nony once said in Broodwar that he went to take a shower and shaved before his match, because he wanted to feel fresh.
I used to play poker full time before you know... neways I got to the point where i never tilted and i never cared about even the most absurd bad beat, but I literally cannot stand losing in sc2.
On July 24 2012 11:10 TroW wrote: Good advice with the exception of the referral to Durianrider the borderline psychotic, vitriolic vegan that willfully ignores actual nutrition research to propogate the unfounded notion that human beings ought to be eating 80% of their calories from carbohydrates (all while avoiding the evil that is animal products, of course) for optimal health. That Durianrider himself is prone to make hateful, rage-induced youtube videos attacking various people who disagree with his ideology (often for very defensible reasons) might make one wonder that his diet is at all helpful in dealing with anger/tilt problems.
A short list of accessible material that challenges such notions, indirectly or directly:
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes
The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith (a nice review here)
Not trying to start a dietary flame war, but I felt compelled to offer alternative nutritional advice, if only because I think the sort proffered by Durianriders and his ilk is so much unsubstantiated garbage, motivated more by misguided moralism than rational inquiry or any holistic comprehension of human biochemistry and evolution.
I would recommend that anyone who wants a better diet simply ask their doctor or contact a dietitian. Don't base your diet on something you read on the Internet, people! For example, that Vegetarian Myth review is written by a person who makes money promoting a primalist diet... The thing about diet is that there is no easy answer. Every person has different needs. If there was a clear answer, we would know it by now. I'm a vegetarian but I'm not promoting it for anyone else, everyone has to make a personal choice on the matter and think about it. Don't go vegetarian for stupid reasons like the writer of that book, and do some research before deciding. Think about what your body needs and how you can satisfy it.
On topic, I always force myself to say "gg" no matter what. For some reason, having some manner makes me cool down more. I've also managed to (almost) convince myself that there is no such thing as cheese. Whenever I get cheesed, I check the replay to see how I could have prevented it, what I could have done better, and focus on that instead of the other person. It's helped me calm down, and I almost never rage now.
It's interesting. I used to play poker for a living and I tilted pretty rarely and almost always had control enough to quit when I was tilted. I tilt way more at SC2. Losing a tough long game in SC2 feels worse than any bad-beat I've ever had.
It's probably because I considered myself fairly successful at poker, but am frustrated at my place in SC2. I also get frustrated more these days just in general, probably because I am somewhat disappointed in myself for where I'm at in life, so that may explain it as well.
Exercising will obviously yield many advantages to you in so many ways, but i can attest to the fact that if you work out or do heavy cardio (or both) often, you wont have enough energy to give a fuck.
You know that meme "look at all the fucks i give" that is basically how it really feels, you are just so trained physically that mentally you are mellow and dont care what happens.
On August 12 2012 00:29 Tyree wrote: Exercising will obviously yield many advantages to you in so many ways, but i can attest to the fact that if you work out or do heavy cardio (or both) often, you wont have enough energy to give a fuck.
You know that meme "look at all the fucks i give" that is basically how it really feels, you are just so trained physically that mentally you are mellow and dont care what happens.
Or you can eat more food, equivalent energy and get the benefits of a fit body . I eat... gosh 3000 to 5000 calories in a day?
Why rage in the first place? The only place i raged was in mmo's where you would develop over time archenemies and band rivalries, but in SC2 i don't see the point of getting mad. As i consider all strats legit, i don't care that i lose to a cheese or a macro game, but when i won, i have seen my opponents rage equally in both situations... If your advices are true, the fact that i have 6 cats, gives me x6 anti-rage bonus?
On August 12 2012 00:43 Xitac wrote: i have one more tip just switch to protoss turn off your brain and a-move your way to grandmaster u will never rage a single time
Been working on that one for a while, haven't you? Original...
I looked at your last 5 posts: 4 of them were protoss balance whines.
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