My point is there are numerous females in the community that are already doing a great job as well as (probably) hundreds of others that could hold their own with the guys if given the opportunity. I mean absolutely no disrespect to lauren because she did a fantastic job at what she was hired to do, my only issue is that if organizers continue to go the route of hiring models instead of giving opportunities to the females in our community that have the potential then we will never advance forward. So many people posted on this thread saying there arent females that can rival the boys as hosts/casters...but how will that ever change if theyre never given the opportunity?
That`s the thing though, she was hired as eye-candy. She fills her role. They weren`t looking for anything else for that role. The females in our community would have an opportunity if they filled the 'eye-candy' role. People are arguing about girls who know SC deserve chances, but NASL wasn`t looking for that, they wanted to add some eye candy and that is exactly what they did.
How can people possibly complain when Soe was there to fill a different role. People would have a point if they made Lauren do Soe`s job but no she wasn`t there to do that. Does everyone hired have to be a jack of all trades.
I can understand if people don`t think eye candy is necessary but lets not act like she was taking someones job in the community.
I am not going to go on about why objectifying people is bad
This attitude towards women is world-spread
You got it right there. One could hope esports would be different and would not caution "having a good looking girl for the sake of having a good looking girl" but as some of the content provider try to go mainstream they fall for this shit two feets inside it. Any tv show will have a good looking girl at some point, if not hosting or co-hosting the god damn thing. I don't think it's a big deal to have the same in esports, but i would rather see those positions filled with people that at least have at least shown some involvement in esports. Overall you can just see it as esport stepping up its game and getting ready for mass media broadcast because that's what it's truly about.
I think IPL got it right with Seltzer/Smix/Prosser - they are respected people in the community because of the work they put in, they are certainly not skilled at the game but that's not important, what's important is that they know the scene really well, they now the game and they are fully aware of what's going on. I just hope they choosed their outfit on their own and IPL didn't pushed the sexy cocktail dresses on Anna and Rachel. I don't think IPL did that, they were host so they were obviously trying to look their best, it just happens that they are good looking girls.
Next step after having good girl hosting is hire people to tell everybody how to dress properly, because holy shit they could really use some advice here. It will happen. It's a good thing.
On July 18 2012 15:11 -Kaiser- wrote: This is a useless discussion to try and have as long as the females we're talking about are playboy models being hired because you can google her tits. Scarlett is getting plenty of respect, transgender or not. Lauren is not. I wonder why? I'll give you a hint: Scarlett is good at Starcraft 2.
This times 1000. If tournaments insist on continuing to hire hosts based on sex appeal and not on some ability, there's going to be people that (IMO completely correctly) get pissed off about it.
On July 18 2012 08:24 Kreb wrote: How to present females? Like any other normal human being. Its when you make their sex a huge deal things start to get weird.
You got it right there. One could hope esports would be different and would not caution "having a good looking girl for the sake of having a good looking girl" but as some of the content provider try to go mainstream they fall for this shit two feets inside it. Any tv show will have a good looking girl at some point, if not hosting or co-hosting the god damn thing. I don't think it's a big deal to have the same in esports, but i would rather see those positions filled with people that at least have at least shown some involvement in esports. Overall you can just see it as esport stepping up its game and getting ready for mass media broadcast because that's what it's truly about.
I think IPL got it right with Seltzer/Smix/Prosser - they are respected people in the community because of the work they put in, they are certainly not skilled at the game but that's not important, what's important is that they know the scene really well, they now the game and they are fully aware of what's going on. I just hope they choosed their outfit on their own and IPL didn't pushed the sexy cocktail dresses on Anna and Rachel. I don't think IPL did that, they were host so they were obviously trying to look their best, it just happens that they are good looking girls.
Next step after having good girl hosting is hire people to tell everybody how to dress properly, because holy shit they could really use some advice here. It will happen. It's a good thing.
I also agree with this. Anna and Rachel are good hosts, but they need to dress like they're not there completely for eye candy. They're respected for their work.
And in particular it's what separates them from all the horrible playboy women like Mia Rose and Tara whatever her name is.
I'd rather have no girls than ugly girls. Most important thing is the girl can't be fat. I mean like omg srsly 45 mins a day on the treadmill is all it takes to turn a 5 into a 7... an 8 with makeup.
On July 18 2012 08:11 MetalPanda wrote: I honestly see nothing wrong with eye candy for a job as minimal as she had to do. They think they help their product by hiring her, and maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but in the end no one is hurt and there's no reason to complain about it.
The way I see it, and also the perspective I wrote from, is that everyone actually is hurt by this. So I feel like there IS reasons to complain. What I mentioned was among other things that it makes it more difficult to take other women seriously.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? I dont get it, i dont think this community considers women a joke.
You cant seriously make the argument that that chick caused any harm at all, or that anyone else would in her position. Its silly.
Faculty: The problem is that those are posts posted by 13-15 year olds. They really shouldnt be given any weight and those people should honestly have gotten temp banned.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? My answer: No, but the host is in this case not related to SCII at all. Lets say there was a guy host that knew nothing about esports, do you think he would be appreciated? I would at least be thinking "what the hell is that guy doing here? why dont we get someone who knows what he's talking about?". The answer would in the case I wrote about ofc be "because she's good looking". Isn't it harmful that a woman with a non-existing relation to the community has been hired instead of a well-informed one, for an example?
I stand by what I previously wrote, and agree to disagree on your claim of silliness :p
She was asking trivia questions and showing the players to their booth. How is that harmful in any way? I guess booth girls are now harmful because they don't read the comics or play the games of the booths they represent? Erin Andrews doesn't play football or any other sport, she doesn't deserve to report on those sports. In fact, she is hurting ESPN because she's pretty!
So, who would be qualified to ask trivia questions? I'm curious.
The really important part is that someone needs to be qualified for their job and if you need to do any "free conversation" you have to have background knowledge on the whole topic or risk walking into a deadly trap. Asking trivia questions or knowing the names of a few characters can be learned in a few minutes and thus doesnt say anything about background knowledge. I didnt watch the event, but it seems that she was qualified enough for the job she was given, but Starcraft isnt a game focused on looks, so an especially attractive host isnt really a requirement, being entertaining and able to lead the crowd is as a host.
It's not a requirement, but it's always a plus. The only thing I see here are sexually frustrated nerds that seem to resent beauty and the fact that beautiful women have invaded yet another scene where they "don't belong".
A porn website was crashed, her videos went from middle of the crop to top 10 viewed, NASL maintained a large amount of viewership and discussion, and now NASL (and her) are getting all this attention. I'd say they achieved the desired effect, no?
I would object much more to her having made a porn video or two than being female and having good looks. Personally I find it a really bad trend to make porn and prostitution acceptable in our societies and we even had one of the worse privately owned TV channels show a documentary about a pimp who owns one or more brothels. Having regular "documentaries" on the subject of prostitution is a set thing for all channels of that TV company here in germany and everything it does is making these things acceptable and "normal" in the society. The fun ends when I am overhearind 10-11 year old boys talking about sites where they can find naked females ... on their smartphones. Thus she should have been disqualified on the basis of having made porn vids and not her looks or knowledge of the game.
People need to stop pretending that being hired as a host for a show, or showing up once or twice in some weird situation, suddenly means you are a significant part of "the community".
Pretty girls hired to promote games at e3 isn't part of the game developing community. Pretty girls posing by cars at car shows aren't part of the car manufacturing community.
Or to make an example of the opposite sex:
Doesn't make those male models part of the dessert making business...
... and so on.
Eye candy is eye candy. Eye candy sells. Instead of complaining that they "don't fit as part of the community" ... why not stop trying to include every person that has a one time appearance as "part of the community" instead ... if they want to be, they'll show up multiple times and start learning and enjoying the game: if not it was a job, and it doesn't mean anything to them, and it shouldn't really to us either.
Well, that's my view at least. Maybe I am alone in it
On July 18 2012 15:24 procrastibation wrote: I'd rather have no girls than ugly girls. Most important thing is the girl can't be fat. I mean like omg srsly 45 mins a day on the treadmill is all it takes to turn a 5 into a 7... an 8 with makeup.
What are you on about? You rather want no girls than ugly girls? Do you think Anna Prosser is ugly and fat and needs to go 45 mins a day on the treadmill so she can host instead of the pornstar at NASL?
On July 18 2012 08:11 MetalPanda wrote: I honestly see nothing wrong with eye candy for a job as minimal as she had to do. They think they help their product by hiring her, and maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but in the end no one is hurt and there's no reason to complain about it.
The way I see it, and also the perspective I wrote from, is that everyone actually is hurt by this. So I feel like there IS reasons to complain. What I mentioned was among other things that it makes it more difficult to take other women seriously.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? I dont get it, i dont think this community considers women a joke.
You cant seriously make the argument that that chick caused any harm at all, or that anyone else would in her position. Its silly.
Faculty: The problem is that those are posts posted by 13-15 year olds. They really shouldnt be given any weight and those people should honestly have gotten temp banned.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? My answer: No, but the host is in this case not related to SCII at all. Lets say there was a guy host that knew nothing about esports, do you think he would be appreciated? I would at least be thinking "what the hell is that guy doing here? why dont we get someone who knows what he's talking about?". The answer would in the case I wrote about ofc be "because she's good looking". Isn't it harmful that a woman with a non-existing relation to the community has been hired instead of a well-informed one, for an example?
I stand by what I previously wrote, and agree to disagree on your claim of silliness :p
She was asking trivia questions and showing the players to their booth. How is that harmful in any way? I guess booth girls are now harmful because they don't read the comics or play the games of the booths they represent? Erin Andrews doesn't play football or any other sport, she doesn't deserve to report on those sports. In fact, she is hurting ESPN because she's pretty!
So, who would be qualified to ask trivia questions? I'm curious.
The really important part is that someone needs to be qualified for their job and if you need to do any "free conversation" you have to have background knowledge on the whole topic or risk walking into a deadly trap. Asking trivia questions or knowing the names of a few characters can be learned in a few minutes and thus doesnt say anything about background knowledge. I didnt watch the event, but it seems that she was qualified enough for the job she was given, but Starcraft isnt a game focused on looks, so an especially attractive host isnt really a requirement, being entertaining and able to lead the crowd is as a host.
It's not a requirement, but it's always a plus. The only thing I see here are sexually frustrated nerds that seem to resent beauty and the fact that beautiful women have invaded yet another scene where they "don't belong".
A porn website was crashed, her videos went from middle of the crop to top 10 viewed, NASL maintained a large amount of viewership and discussion, and now NASL (and her) are getting all this attention. I'd say they achieved the desired effect, no?
I would object much more to her having made a porn video or two than being female and having good looks. Personally I find it a really bad trend to make porn and prostitution acceptable in our societies and we even had one of the worse privately owned TV channels show a documentary about a pimp who owns one or more brothels. Having regular "documentaries" on the subject of prostitution is a set thing for all channels of that TV company here in germany and everything it does is making these things acceptable and "normal" in the society. The fun ends when I am overhearind 10-11 year old boys talking about sites where they can find naked females ... on their smartphones. Thus she should have been disqualified on the basis of having made porn vids and not her looks or knowledge of the game.
What is so wrong about the naked body? She posed for playboy and did a video photoshoot, how is that in any way related to porn, prostitution, and brothels?
While you're up there on your soap box preaching about irrelevant nonsense, you might want to look up the incidents of rape in countries where prostitution is legal vs illegal.
On July 18 2012 15:15 mango_destroyer wrote: That`s the thing though, she was hired as eye-candy. She fills her role. They weren`t looking for anything else for that role. The females in our community would have an opportunity if they filled the 'eye-candy' role. People are arguing about girls who know SC deserve chances, but NASL wasn`t looking for that, they wanted to add some eye candy and that is exactly what they did.
How can people possibly complain when Soe was there to fill a different role. People would have a point if they made Lauren do Soe`s job but no she wasn`t there to do that. Does everyone hired have to be a jack of all trades.
I can understand if people don`t think eye candy is necessary but lets not act like she was taking someones job in the community.
This is a good point, but perhaps a good question is: Is the Starcraft 2 audience the kind of audience that appreciates eye candy as much as other communities like football or MMA —or at least enough to be worth it? Also, I'd say if the job requires any bit of communication I think other aspects than just appearance are very valid.
Another point is that in this new era of internet and it's offspring, internet communities and social media, all staff involved in games tend to do more than just their job when off-duty. They gain fans and run streams or maybe have meetings or shows or blogs or different things. In such situations it makes sense for the people to be Starcraft fans at the least, but secondarily not social dunces, and would be beneficial to be good at the game.
On July 18 2012 14:24 mlspmatt wrote: You guys need to lighten up. So they hired an attractive female. They've been doing this all the time. Anna prosser and the other female who often do the interviews are very attractive girls. I'm sure there are other people who know more about starcraft that could conduct the interviews. it's part of the show. Starcraft is entertainment, and they are part of the entertainment.
Anna Prosser and seltzer and soe have been active in the community in general and have contacts in the community that get them their jobs — that's how people often get hired for jobs. Debatable, but I'd say Smix is not even of remarkable beauty either (not that she's ugly or anything) so it doesn't even come in to play for that situation.
Sure their beauty is an asset, but with their situations it's completely different because they spent lots of their life actually in the community. Being attractive and having public speaking experience/competence and having knowledge of the game is superior to just being attractive, even if it's being exceptionally attractive — at least to me (although for a job where you don't say a word that's more debatable).
On July 18 2012 10:27 FullNatural wrote: Let's be honest. You cannont compare females and males in a general sense when it comes to any sport involving any kind of physical activity. Males are simply on another physical level. I'm sure many people like to think otherwise. But this fact is not disputable. This is why there is a serperate everything for women ( ie WNBA, LPGA, etc etc). Women will always be seen as sex symbols. This will never change. This is why there are always "hot" females standing off to the side, doing nothing at all but looking good. Supply and demand.
It's esports, dude. We pressing buttons all day. It's not Usain Bolt stuff.
ahhhh exactly. This is why the old female star leagues could easily hang with the men........ o wait......
Dexterity with hands, eye hand cordination etc etc. This is physical activity. This is why men are better at it.
This is why like 1 girl in a thousand (toss girl in BW) could hang with the guys. Not even really. She could hang with B teamers.
AHAHAHAHA. Wait, are you serious? Well then... AHAHAHAHAH, but now i'm mocking your stupidity. Have you ever seen a professional female musician? Yes. Problem solved, My work here is done! Goodbye everybody!
(Idiot...)
I'm not necessarily siding with FullNatural, but what you said sounds far more ridiculous than what he said (namely due to the mocking and laughing). Playing music isn't a competitive sport, or even a competition in general, nor are their performances really measured in any significant way. It really has no relation to the field of sports or e-gaming.
This really has nothing to do with StarCraft II at all. In any male-dominated activity they will seek to hire attractive women for "eye candy." Do cheerleaders actually do anything? Okay, that might be a bad example as that's debatable, but you get where I am going. Import Models at import shows, lingerie models, etc. People (women in this case) are rewarded for their visual appeal. This is human nature. If the target audience and market are men something like this really isn't ridiculous or unexpected.
On July 18 2012 08:11 MetalPanda wrote: I honestly see nothing wrong with eye candy for a job as minimal as she had to do. They think they help their product by hiring her, and maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but in the end no one is hurt and there's no reason to complain about it.
The way I see it, and also the perspective I wrote from, is that everyone actually is hurt by this. So I feel like there IS reasons to complain. What I mentioned was among other things that it makes it more difficult to take other women seriously.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? I dont get it, i dont think this community considers women a joke.
You cant seriously make the argument that that chick caused any harm at all, or that anyone else would in her position. Its silly.
Faculty: The problem is that those are posts posted by 13-15 year olds. They really shouldnt be given any weight and those people should honestly have gotten temp banned.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? My answer: No, but the host is in this case not related to SCII at all. Lets say there was a guy host that knew nothing about esports, do you think he would be appreciated? I would at least be thinking "what the hell is that guy doing here? why dont we get someone who knows what he's talking about?". The answer would in the case I wrote about ofc be "because she's good looking". Isn't it harmful that a woman with a non-existing relation to the community has been hired instead of a well-informed one, for an example?
I stand by what I previously wrote, and agree to disagree on your claim of silliness :p
She was asking trivia questions and showing the players to their booth. How is that harmful in any way? I guess booth girls are now harmful because they don't read the comics or play the games of the booths they represent? Erin Andrews doesn't play football or any other sport, she doesn't deserve to report on those sports. In fact, she is hurting ESPN because she's pretty!
So, who would be qualified to ask trivia questions? I'm curious.
The really important part is that someone needs to be qualified for their job and if you need to do any "free conversation" you have to have background knowledge on the whole topic or risk walking into a deadly trap. Asking trivia questions or knowing the names of a few characters can be learned in a few minutes and thus doesnt say anything about background knowledge. I didnt watch the event, but it seems that she was qualified enough for the job she was given, but Starcraft isnt a game focused on looks, so an especially attractive host isnt really a requirement, being entertaining and able to lead the crowd is as a host.
It's not a requirement, but it's always a plus. The only thing I see here are sexually frustrated nerds that seem to resent beauty and the fact that beautiful women have invaded yet another scene where they "don't belong".
A porn website was crashed, her videos went from middle of the crop to top 10 viewed, NASL maintained a large amount of viewership and discussion, and now NASL (and her) are getting all this attention. I'd say they achieved the desired effect, no?
I would object much more to her having made a porn video or two than being female and having good looks. Personally I find it a really bad trend to make porn and prostitution acceptable in our societies and we even had one of the worse privately owned TV channels show a documentary about a pimp who owns one or more brothels. Having regular "documentaries" on the subject of prostitution is a set thing for all channels of that TV company here in germany and everything it does is making these things acceptable and "normal" in the society. The fun ends when I am overhearind 10-11 year old boys talking about sites where they can find naked females ... on their smartphones. Thus she should have been disqualified on the basis of having made porn vids and not her looks or knowledge of the game.
What is so wrong about the naked body? She posed for playboy and did a video photoshoot, how is that in any way related to porn, prostitution, and brothels?
While you're up there on your soap box preaching about irrelevant nonsense, you might want to look up the incidents of rape in countries where prostitution is legal vs illegal.
Its not the naked body that is bad or wrong, its the lack of responsibility which our "free sex" has caused. Didnt you ever notice the amount of unmarried couples or number of divorces? That just a part of the whole thing and focusing fully on "have sex - have fun" part of it fails to educate out young generations that a HUGE part of a successful relationship is responsibility ... especially when you have children. Those 20+ years when your kids are growing up your personal wishes have to be second rate. Being NOT SELFISH (a.k.a. "not thinking with your dick") is good for your society and your relationship. Having 12 year old boys think that "50% of a good marriage is good sex" is really terrible and thus I think we have gone wayyy too far in our pursuit of "free love" and naked bodies everywhere. In the end this prevalence of naked bodies devalues them for the time when you really get close to that girl you love, because you have seen it all before countless times. There is no "new territory to discover".
As I posted above the "box test" from DUNE is really the key, because it divides people of the homo sapiens species into two categories: humans and animals. As long as people keep thinking with their genitals and only about their own desires they will be animals. With such dangerous technology like we have today it becomes ever more important that we - and especially our leaders and powerful members of society - are NOT animals but rather humans instead who can say NO to a personal gain if it is a bad thing for society. So I would ask again: Could you say no to a naked, willing and unknown girl in you bedroom? Are you human or an animal?
In past centuries you HAD TO cooperate with each other or the whole community would suffer, but ever since the revolution of 1968 has selfishness (which I consider the greatest evil ever) been allowed and encouraged. That is really bad and the lack of working relationships is a consequence of it. Well the romans had a saying: divide et impera ... and this short sentence symbolises where the problem lies for each and everyone who is incapable of a successful relationship. If you are alone you are weaker and thus are easy to be exploited by almost anyone.
Thats why I have a fixed NO to anyone who does porn. Its just the tip of the iceberg of things going wrong, but at least its easy to define and most likely illegal for minors in all our countries.
treat no one different, if woman men or shemale...who cares, in gaming only the gaming should matter, i cant understand people who go retard mode just cuz there is a female
On July 18 2012 08:11 MetalPanda wrote: I honestly see nothing wrong with eye candy for a job as minimal as she had to do. They think they help their product by hiring her, and maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but in the end no one is hurt and there's no reason to complain about it.
The way I see it, and also the perspective I wrote from, is that everyone actually is hurt by this. So I feel like there IS reasons to complain. What I mentioned was among other things that it makes it more difficult to take other women seriously.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? I dont get it, i dont think this community considers women a joke.
You cant seriously make the argument that that chick caused any harm at all, or that anyone else would in her position. Its silly.
Faculty: The problem is that those are posts posted by 13-15 year olds. They really shouldnt be given any weight and those people should honestly have gotten temp banned.
Having a hot host makes it harder to take women seriously? My answer: No, but the host is in this case not related to SCII at all. Lets say there was a guy host that knew nothing about esports, do you think he would be appreciated? I would at least be thinking "what the hell is that guy doing here? why dont we get someone who knows what he's talking about?". The answer would in the case I wrote about ofc be "because she's good looking". Isn't it harmful that a woman with a non-existing relation to the community has been hired instead of a well-informed one, for an example?
I stand by what I previously wrote, and agree to disagree on your claim of silliness :p
She was asking trivia questions and showing the players to their booth. How is that harmful in any way? I guess booth girls are now harmful because they don't read the comics or play the games of the booths they represent? Erin Andrews doesn't play football or any other sport, she doesn't deserve to report on those sports. In fact, she is hurting ESPN because she's pretty!
So, who would be qualified to ask trivia questions? I'm curious.
The really important part is that someone needs to be qualified for their job and if you need to do any "free conversation" you have to have background knowledge on the whole topic or risk walking into a deadly trap. Asking trivia questions or knowing the names of a few characters can be learned in a few minutes and thus doesnt say anything about background knowledge. I didnt watch the event, but it seems that she was qualified enough for the job she was given, but Starcraft isnt a game focused on looks, so an especially attractive host isnt really a requirement, being entertaining and able to lead the crowd is as a host.
It's not a requirement, but it's always a plus. The only thing I see here are sexually frustrated nerds that seem to resent beauty and the fact that beautiful women have invaded yet another scene where they "don't belong".
A porn website was crashed, her videos went from middle of the crop to top 10 viewed, NASL maintained a large amount of viewership and discussion, and now NASL (and her) are getting all this attention. I'd say they achieved the desired effect, no?
I would object much more to her having made a porn video or two than being female and having good looks. Personally I find it a really bad trend to make porn and prostitution acceptable in our societies and we even had one of the worse privately owned TV channels show a documentary about a pimp who owns one or more brothels. Having regular "documentaries" on the subject of prostitution is a set thing for all channels of that TV company here in germany and everything it does is making these things acceptable and "normal" in the society. The fun ends when I am overhearind 10-11 year old boys talking about sites where they can find naked females ... on their smartphones. Thus she should have been disqualified on the basis of having made porn vids and not her looks or knowledge of the game.
What is so wrong about the naked body? She posed for playboy and did a video photoshoot, how is that in any way related to porn, prostitution, and brothels?
While you're up there on your soap box preaching about irrelevant nonsense, you might want to look up the incidents of rape in countries where prostitution is legal vs illegal.
Yeah what's posing naked in a photo shoot and in a video to do with porn. It's like two completely different things!
The attitude to women you see in the eSports community is the same as in any other 'sporting' community that is heavily male orientated - I would like to say every community that is mostly male orientated, full-stop, but I feel some here might take offence.
I'm female so some might think I am biased here but I do think the attitude needs to change, but the problem isnt exclusively with our community..its everywhere..and its driven by modern culture.
On July 18 2012 15:58 pookadin wrote: The attitude to women you see in the eSports community is the same as in any other 'sporting' community that is heavily male orientated - I would like to say every community that is mostly male orientated, full-stop, but I feel some here might take offence.
I'm female so some might think I am biased here but I do think the attitude needs to change, but the problem isnt exclusively with our community..its everywhere..and its driven by modern culture.
I'm not actually sure what you're talking about now. Are you speaking for or against the porn ladies at events? It's kind of divided here.
On July 18 2012 10:27 FullNatural wrote: Let's be honest. You cannont compare females and males in a general sense when it comes to any sport involving any kind of physical activity. Males are simply on another physical level. I'm sure many people like to think otherwise. But this fact is not disputable. This is why there is a serperate everything for women ( ie WNBA, LPGA, etc etc). Women will always be seen as sex symbols. This will never change. This is why there are always "hot" females standing off to the side, doing nothing at all but looking good. Supply and demand.
It's esports, dude. We pressing buttons all day. It's not Usain Bolt stuff.
ahhhh exactly. This is why the old female star leagues could easily hang with the men........ o wait......
Dexterity with hands, eye hand cordination etc etc. This is physical activity. This is why men are better at it.
This is why like 1 girl in a thousand (toss girl in BW) could hang with the guys. Not even really. She could hang with B teamers.
AHAHAHAHA. Wait, are you serious? Well then... AHAHAHAHAH, but now i'm mocking your stupidity. Have you ever seen a professional female musician? Yes. Problem solved, My work here is done! Goodbye everybody!
(Idiot...)
I'm not necessarily siding with FullNatural, but what you said sounds far more ridiculous than what he said (namely due to the mocking and laughing). Playing music isn't a competitive sport, or even a competition in general, nor is performance really measured in any significant way.
I don't know much about music but I think auditions for a top orchestra are pretty competitive and performance is measured in a very significant way.
Ironically I think the obsession with women in the community - by the weirdly obsequious members that is - does nothing but undermine them. People really dont care all that much. When they're hot people follow them because they're hot, when they're competent doubly so. Then you have these weird threads railing against us for this or that and it just pisses people and off and makes them more likely to be hostile to the next chick that comes along.
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