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Go thorzain, naniwa and jinro
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how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
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On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote:
how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
They would be destroyed if they didn't have that.
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On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote:
how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
It would be too hard for them to compete with the current SC2 players and that would probably mean lower viewership numbers etc. I think they might re-work it further down the line, when the "new" guys catch up.
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On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote:
how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
To keep it from becoming just a 2nd GSL with longer commercials. The kespa players have a lot of starpower and will pull in a lot of fans.
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On June 29 2012 01:01 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote:
how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously... To keep it from becoming just a 2nd GSL with longer commercials. The kespa players have a lot of starpower and will pull in a lot of fans.
I'm just hoping that there will at least be some upsets with them so that they don't go out in the first round like effort, flash, jaedong, soulkey or someone like that who's starting to show a lot more skill in sc2 already.
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I hope they won't use a ridiculous tournament format like: "left side of the bracket = GSL players, right side of the bracket = kespa players". Unfortunately, if they would match up a GSL player with a kespa player every match in the first round then I'm pretty sure all the kespa players will disappear from the tournament very quickly.
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I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
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Assuming they match 16 players from the open qualifiers with 16 players from the kespa ones, they could try and rig the system by having a group phase with a 3-1 divide. Three kespa players that can fight over one spot and a gsl player that's the favorite to win the group. Of course, half of the groups would be 1-3 and have only one kespa player to probably not advance. This would be nice since it promotes the kespa vs gsl player rivalry while still ensuring that at the very least four kespa players advance to the Ro16, enough to put a kespa player in all the four groups yet again.
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On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
Extra tournament to watch some of the great Starcraft players that are currently playing.
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I'm very excited for this and am hoping to see some great games...
That said, I'm at least a little bit wary of Kespa getting involved in SC2. Not because I'm a complete hater I just really hope they are a little more open to events and players outside of Korea than they have been in the past. I just fear a future where MLG, IPL and so on are essentially invalidated because Kespa players aren't allowed (or are strongly discouraged) from playing in them.
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TLO has a group that he can go through. If he manages to play like he has been doing recently on his stream I cannot see how he does not.
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SO. MANY. GOOD. PLAYER. O.M.G SO EXCITED! :DDDDDD
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Gonna be soo good.I'm thinking there is gonna be a lot of up sets in this OSL.
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On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
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can anyone try and edit with recognizeable names? I see someone added the korean name, but not the tag/ID, if not that's fine : P I was just wondering, because korean text is hard to read when you don't read Korean and like all of there names look so similar : (
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On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups. Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
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On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups. Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums. I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money  .
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Well, this is going to be interesting...
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On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time. That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups. Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums. I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game. It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist ( ) so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
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