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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#361
I can't wait to hear KeSPA players complain about balance once this goes live
hahaha
moo...for DRG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#362
On June 29 2012 11:33 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.

Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.


I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.


It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .


Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.

osl + gsl + pl + gstl + foreign tournamanets + wcs soon gg
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#363
On June 29 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:33 Veldril wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.

Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.


I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.


It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .


Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.

osl + gsl + pl + gstl + foreign tournamanets + wcs soon gg


Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
June 29 2012 02:49 GMT
#364
On June 29 2012 11:45 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 Veldril wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
[quote]

That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.

Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.


I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.


It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .


Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.

osl + gsl + pl + gstl + foreign tournamanets + wcs soon gg


Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.


I agree they won't go to all the events either but even with MLG added it is going to be a pretty packed schedule. Good news is we have a lot of tournaments to watch .
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
June 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#365
On June 29 2012 11:45 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 Veldril wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote:
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.


That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
[quote]

That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.

Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.


I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.


It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .


Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.

osl + gsl + pl + gstl + foreign tournamanets + wcs soon gg


Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.


I could see IPL being a definite option, also IEM's event if they clear up the treatment of players (or so it was said was poor)... I wouldn't limit it to just MLG/DH, and even if it is, that's still awesome.
FoTG fighting!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 04:15:09
June 29 2012 03:54 GMT
#366
who's gonna qualify? :D

Poll: Who will win Group A?

MMA (77)
 
33%

NaNiwa (67)
 
29%

Seed (53)
 
23%

Life (16)
 
7%

San (9)
 
4%

Heart (6)
 
3%

Inori (5)
 
2%

Other (1)
 
0%

234 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group A?

(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Inori
(Vote): Life
(Vote): Heart
(Vote): Seed
(Vote): San
(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group B?

Symbol (83)
 
45%

Squirtle (80)
 
43%

Creator (10)
 
5%

Freaky (5)
 
3%

Clide (3)
 
2%

YongHwa (3)
 
2%

Extreme (1)
 
1%

Other (0)
 
0%

185 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group B?

(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): Freaky
(Vote): Clide
(Vote): Creator
(Vote): YongHwa
(Vote): Extreme
(Vote): Symbol
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group C?

MarineKing (113)
 
60%

Bomber (25)
 
13%

Alicia (21)
 
11%

Polt (20)
 
11%

Cutter (5)
 
3%

asd (1)
 
1%

Sting (1)
 
1%

Other (1)
 
1%

187 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group C?

(Vote): MarineKing
(Vote): Alicia
(Vote): Cutter
(Vote): asd
(Vote): Polt
(Vote): Sting
(Vote): Bomber
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group D?

Genius (91)
 
54%

TLO (29)
 
17%

Happy (23)
 
14%

Seal (11)
 
7%

Virus (8)
 
5%

Lure (4)
 
2%

Other (2)
 
1%

Artist (1)
 
1%

169 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group D?

(Vote): Genius
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): Artist
(Vote): Seal
(Vote): Virus
(Vote): Lure
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group E?

Leenock (53)
 
33%

HyuN (39)
 
24%

TheStC (30)
 
19%

July (21)
 
13%

Sculp (11)
 
7%

Other (4)
 
3%

Killer (1)
 
1%

Noblesse (1)
 
1%

160 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group E?

(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Killer
(Vote): TheStC
(Vote): Noblesse
(Vote): Sculp
(Vote): HyuN
(Vote): July
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group F?

HerO (86)
 
47%

viOLet (41)
 
22%

ByuN (35)
 
19%

Ryung (15)
 
8%

Tassadar (4)
 
2%

Tear (2)
 
1%

VINES (1)
 
1%

Other (0)
 
0%

184 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group F?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Tear
(Vote): viOLet
(Vote): Tassadar
(Vote): VINES
(Vote): ByuN
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group G?

Jjakji (62)
 
34%

LosirA (58)
 
32%

Maru (28)
 
15%

Monster (23)
 
13%

YuGiOh (6)
 
3%

Choya (3)
 
2%

Sound (3)
 
2%

Other (0)
 
0%

183 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group G?

(Vote): Jjakji
(Vote): Choya
(Vote): LosirA
(Vote): Monster
(Vote): Sound
(Vote): YuGiOh
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group H?

GuMiho (54)
 
33%

GanZi (30)
 
18%

Zenio (24)
 
15%

Sage (18)
 
11%

CrazymovING (17)
 
10%

Hack (14)
 
9%

Line (5)
 
3%

Other (2)
 
1%

164 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group H?

(Vote): GuMiho
(Vote): CrazymovING
(Vote): Sage
(Vote): Line
(Vote): Zenio
(Vote): Hack
(Vote): GanZi
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group I?

SuperNoVa (53)
 
29%

aLive (50)
 
28%

CoCa (34)
 
19%

Jinro (15)
 
8%

BBoongBBoong (12)
 
7%

JYP (10)
 
6%

Other (4)
 
2%

TheBest (3)
 
2%

181 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group I?

(Vote): SuperNoVa
(Vote): TheBest
(Vote): CoCa
(Vote): aLive
(Vote): JYP
(Vote): BBoongBBoong
(Vote): Jinro
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group J?

Keen (52)
 
30%

ThorZaIN (40)
 
23%

fOrGG (32)
 
18%

Oz (31)
 
18%

AcE (17)
 
10%

Annyung (2)
 
1%

Ready (1)
 
1%

Other (0)
 
0%

175 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group J?

(Vote): Oz
(Vote): Ready
(Vote): ThorZaIN
(Vote): AcE
(Vote): fOrGG
(Vote): Annyung
(Vote): Keen
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group K?

PartinG (88)
 
52%

Puzzle (52)
 
31%

ByuL (14)
 
8%

sC (6)
 
4%

Lucky (3)
 
2%

Other (3)
 
2%

Classic (2)
 
1%

Avenge (1)
 
1%

169 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group K?

(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): ByuL
(Vote): sC
(Vote): Lucky
(Vote): Avenge
(Vote): Puzzle
(Vote): Classic
(Vote): Other


Poll: Who will win Group L?

TaeJa (96)
 
52%

Moon (30)
 
16%

PuMa (23)
 
12%

Curious (14)
 
8%

Sniper (10)
 
5%

Crank (7)
 
4%

InCa (4)
 
2%

Other (2)
 
1%

186 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Group L?

(Vote): Curious
(Vote): Crank
(Vote): Moon
(Vote): InCa
(Vote): Sniper
(Vote): PuMa
(Vote): TaeJa
(Vote): Other

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Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 04:17:35
June 29 2012 04:16 GMT
#367
On June 29 2012 12:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:45 Adreme wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 Veldril wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:07 Coolness53 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:02 jpak wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:24 ShadeR wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
[quote]

That's highly debatable.
GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience.
OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only.
If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...

It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years.
Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.


GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
[quote]

GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.


Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.

Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.

There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.

Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.


I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.


It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .


Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.

osl + gsl + pl + gstl + foreign tournamanets + wcs soon gg


Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.


I could see IPL being a definite option, also IEM's event if they clear up the treatment of players (or so it was said was poor)... I wouldn't limit it to just MLG/DH, and even if it is, that's still awesome.

I think all the premiers will still be well attended (ie MLG, IPL, DH, IEM, Assembly, HSC, even NASL). It's already hard to attend most things even now already =/

Maybe what will happen is we'll see less open bracket koreans, but the seeded ones will probably still be there.
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Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
June 29 2012 04:18 GMT
#368
On June 29 2012 05:50 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.

I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.

I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
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ShenoaVOX
Profile Joined June 2012
United States10 Posts
June 29 2012 18:34 GMT
#369
PRO!
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 01 2012 04:45 GMT
#370
On June 29 2012 13:18 Silentenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 05:50 iamperfection wrote:
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.

I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.

I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.


lol, Kespa players, the new foreigners?
Someone call down the Thunder?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 01 2012 04:47 GMT
#371
On July 01 2012 13:45 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 13:18 Silentenigma wrote:
On June 29 2012 05:50 iamperfection wrote:
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.

I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.

I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.


lol, Kespa players, the new foreigners?


for now yes. few months later, booom baby
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Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
July 01 2012 05:20 GMT
#372
I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
aka Moletrap
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Thailand138 Posts
July 01 2012 05:24 GMT
#373
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote:
I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least


COOOOOOL Moletrap :D
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 01 2012 05:29 GMT
#374
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote:
I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least

Thank you Moletrap! Much love <3
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 01 2012 05:53 GMT
#375
Can't wait to see Kespa players against the old gen. I don't think they're as bad as most people here claim.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
July 01 2012 05:57 GMT
#376
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote:
I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least

I really hope you do well. You're a great guy and it was sad to see so much negative criticism get thrown your way.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
thehepp
Profile Joined December 2011
United States67 Posts
July 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#377
will there be a stream for this?
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 02 2012 00:08 GMT
#378
On July 02 2012 09:07 thehepp wrote:
will there be a stream for this?

given the lack of information on one, i don't have my hopes up
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BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
July 02 2012 00:14 GMT
#379
so only nani and thorzain foreigners? where's huk?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 00:17:45
July 02 2012 00:16 GMT
#380
On June 29 2012 13:18 Silentenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 05:50 iamperfection wrote:
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote:
I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.

I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.

I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.

Well, there was that MLG Exhibition Tournament. I think the draw of this OSL is to see if the BW players will manage to catch-up by September and if they can pull of the upsets and I think it'll be fun.

On July 02 2012 09:14 BluePanther wrote:
so only nani and thorzain foreigners? where's huk?

Not sure if Huk is back in Korea yet. Jinro is also participating. Slog as well (if you consider him a foreigner). SaSe IMO is the most notable foreigner missing.
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