EPTOn June 28 2012 13:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Perhaps he'll come up with revolutionary Chargelot micro <_>?
Perhaps he'll come up with revolutionary Chargelot micro <_>?
Fake jangbi is terran.
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empty.bottle
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NHY
1013 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:38 Kamille wrote: Any titles won under GSL will mean absolutely nothing simply because it was once a monthly tournament. MVP could have 6 titles, but all of those would have happened in such a short span of time that his longevity was never tested. Players were tested not only for their skill, but their perseverance too. Imagine balancing two Starleagues and being your team's ace player for Proleague. If you manage to make it far into both every league, there's a possibility of having a different match up back to back. Winning an OSL means walking into a hall where legends once tread. I'm sorry to say this, but in those halls MVP is a pre-Light era Woongjin Terran. The legitimacy that winning an OSL grants is immense, because the level of competition has always been the very best. I find your last comment confusing, because there is no league more well-established than the OSL. It is a league with more than 10 years of history and buckets full of television viewers. OSL was perhaps the very birth of what people now call "eSports" and the birth of mainstream gaming. I'd damn well say that it's the most prestigious league. OSL was prestigious league in BW. But the way OGN is setting up SCII starleague, it is not going to be the same. And if they keep giving Kespa players special treatments, it won't change. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
.... well shit D; | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:06 NHY wrote: OSL was prestigious league in BW. But the way OGN is setting up SCII starleague, it is not going to be the same. And if they keep giving Kespa players special treatments, it won't change. Special treatments? I loled. It's been bush league stuff man since they announced the last PL. It sucks when players are forced to do double duty. I'm a firm believer in earning your keep. Yes, the guys transitioning have a long ways to go and just like the laughing joke that has become the PL they want to make sure their players who have celebrity status at least get to the first part of the big dance. There is no strict policy and thank heaven's they're allowing everyone else to compete. They want it to be open to anyone and everyone when you used to need a pro gamer license just to get chosen by a pro gamer team and able to qualify. They've been very lax. Very, very lax. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote: That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators... It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit. GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. | ||
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: and yet everyone knowing that it has a smaller prize pool and a longer tournament, has decided to participate in the qualifiers. your idea of prestige boils down to Fortune. but the actual idea of prestige is Fame and legacy... I'll say it again Winning the OSL means that you are part of the legendary legacy that gave birth to competitive starcraft in Korea. Winning an OSL means that you are set for life. Yes, exactly this. I hate to be that dude that resorts to definitions, but in these sorts of discussions I think it really helps. By typing "definition: prestige" into Google, I got the following: 1. Respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of their achievements or quality. 2. Denoting something that arouses such respect or admiration. definition: prestigious results in the following 1. Inspiring respect and admiration; having high status. While I agree that the most prestigious tournament should have the most sponsors, prize pool, and current top players, I do not think that a prestigious tournament is defined by all of these. Suppose you have three tournaments: 1. A tournament with the most sponsors yet tied for the least prize money and worst player pool 2. A tournament with the biggest prize pool yet tied for the least sponsors and worst player pool. 3. A tournament with the players that are currently the best yet tied for the least sponsors and least prize money. Winning which of these tournaments demands most respect or admiration? I argue that it's having a tournament with the players that are currently the best. Why? I really don't see how a player winning tournament 1 or 2 demands/earns my respect. It was an easy tournament so it's not a big accomplishment. A tournament with the best player pool (the players that are currently the best) is a hard tournament. It has the stiffest competition, and winning among the best players, in my opinion, demands a lot of respect. Definitely the most out of the winners of the three tournaments. I guess we can consider a fourth tournament: 4. A tournament with the largest/longest legacy (whatever this means)... Personally, I'm not really sure how to compare tournament 3 and 4 in terms of prestige. OSL is an ex-BW tournament that consistently had the best players competing. So for the longest time it was one of the most prestigious tournaments. Now it is known for being one of the most prestigious tournaments. Can it continue to be one of the most prestigious due to it's past alone? Maybe, but I'd argue that probably not for long. But by allowing GSL players to compete, they ensure some of the best players enter. Combine this with their history of being one of the hardest tournaments and the connotations attached to it, and it's a pretty damn prestigious tournament in my opinion. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote: GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Yeah considering SC2 never really caught on in Korea for several reasons. Remember how guys used to knock the MSL? Well, technically they still do. Power shortage anyone? o; Still over time it grew on everyone. You should hear the debates back then when we discussed the prestigious tourneys. You'd probably go wtf. | ||
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Kamille
Monaco1035 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:12 StarStruck wrote: Special treatments? I loled. It's been bush league stuff man since they announced the last PL. It sucks when players are forced to do double duty. I'm a firm believer in earning your keep. Yes, the guys transitioning have a long ways to go and just like the laughing joke that has become the PL they want to make sure their players who have celebrity status at least get to the first part of the big dance. There is no strict policy and thank heaven's they're allowing everyone else to compete. They want it to be open to anyone and everyone when you used to need a pro gamer license just to get chosen by a pro gamer team and able to qualify. They've been very lax. Very, very lax. I'd like to include Kespa created the double league so any double duty is their fault to begin with and their problem to solve when it comes to OSL timing juggling for BW players. The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:23 Kamille wrote: The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4. Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season... | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:25 neoghaleon55 wrote: Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season... Flash will be just fine. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
Flash's competition is stiff, I wouldn't bet on him to win just yet.. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: Flash's competition is stiff, I wouldn't bet on him to win just yet.. Its going to be Flash vs Fantasy in RO4. That match will essentially be the finals and I could see it going all the way and to me that benefits Flash. He will probably (hopefully) face Janbi in finals. Now I know Jangbi knocked him out last time but there were mitigating circumstances that caused that so I take it with a grain of salt and still put Flash as heavy favorite. | ||
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humanimal
United States151 Posts
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Serpest
United States603 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote: GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content. Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote: Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 28 2012 17:55 opterown wrote: hey guys, is it worth it making an lr thread for this? are we likely to get streams/live updates? :D There should be a stream, at least there was in bw iirc. Was always fun to watch as they jumped game to game and sometimes watched the whole fp view of a player ^^. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote: Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off. Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source. On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote: There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups. Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums. | ||
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