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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:54 opterown wrote: osl's not really longer in terms of more games, they're just more spaced out. think of it as a more relaxing tourney, or one with a bit more downtime More like prepping your ass off so you don't get humiliated. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:54 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm not sure if you have the numbers to back that up. The last MLG drew over 2.2 million viewers worldwide. http://mashable.com/2012/06/14/major-league-gaming-streaming-numbers/ And GSL regularly tops 50 million viewers... http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/ unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere. i think those are total individual views though with vods, not concurrent live viewers (a better figure to go off). hard to believe 50000000 people tune in to gsl live haha On June 28 2012 11:56 StarStruck wrote: More like prepping your ass off so you don't get humiliated. that works, too | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Compared to GSL, OSL is a much longer tournament with a smaller payoff. I just hope it's not going to tax our favorite players too much. Between GSL, GSTL, MLG, IPL and random BlizzCon type tournaments, players like DRG and MKP already have tons of work on their schedule. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:54 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm not sure if you have the numbers to back that up. The last MLG drew over 2.2 million viewers worldwide. http://mashable.com/2012/06/14/major-league-gaming-streaming-numbers/ And GSL regularly tops 50 million viewers... http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/ unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere. More people watch the GSL than American Idol?  I think your numbers are wrong. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On June 28 2012 10:27 RedMage wrote: MVP, MKP, MC, and DRG have all won big tournaments lately, it's NesTea who hasn't won anything in a long time, it's been almost a year. To be fair, Nestea has only really recently started to attend more foreigner events. And a GSL win is a GSL win. Although he hasn't won, he is still doing well GSL Ro16, IPL 5 2nd, Iron Squid 3rd, etc. It is not like they seeded in FruitDealer. I would think MKP, MMA were probably next in line for seeds if it went beyond 4. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:04 McFeser wrote: More people watch the GSL than American Idol? I think your numbers are wrong.You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:06 neoghaleon55 wrote: You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there. That's total views. Complexity is doing a bad job of reporting. (Their most viewed VOD only has 847,000 views) Edit: That source is also a year old and Complexity never cited precisely where their information came from (only linking tangentially to main GOM website. I couldn't find an official release from GOM). It also makes very, very little sense from a practical standpoint. The daily show averages one million viewers every night and millions of dollars are pumped into that show (Jon Stewart's wage can be presumed to be several million by itself). IF the US contributes the most viewers than it is reasonable to expect they are contributing at least one million's worth (at a horrible hour even) and with that they should be able to grab more than just one sponsor. I believe complexity's release is either horribly misinformed, or bullshit. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:06 neoghaleon55 wrote: You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there. Or you know you could exercise some critical thinking. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:06 neoghaleon55 wrote: You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there. First of all, it doesn't "regularly top 50 million viewers", as you say. That number provided was supposedly their total viewers for the first half of 2011, and even then I'm not confident that's not just the total number of VOD views during that time. So, what kind of numbers does OSL actually get? It's hard to tell, most of the reported ratings seem to be for proleague. According to this article, the Batoo OSL Ro16 (so not that far in the tournament, maybe a low representation of overall viewers) drew 1.12% of Korean males 13-29. Then we can go over to this image and see that there are roughly 1.85+1.7+1.95+(0.5*1.65) = 6.3 million such males, so that's 70,000 just in that demographic for one broadcast. I think we can fairly extrapolate that there are at least 100,000 viewers, then, for just an average night in the OSL. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2011_Jin_Air_OSL Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts.... the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:41 rysecake wrote: the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory. Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet. I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:33 neoghaleon55 wrote: Thanks GSL is 50,000K Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days. used to be? It IS the most prestigious tournament On June 28 2012 13:11 neoghaleon55 wrote: Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet. I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one. Winning an OSL has been a life long dream for almost all these people... | ||
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:11 neoghaleon55 wrote: Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet. I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one. You need to understand that it's not all about the money. The Australian Open gives out more prize money than Wimbledon, but the latter is still more prestigious. | ||
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:32 Antoine wrote: First of all, it doesn't "regularly top 50 million viewers", as you say. That number provided was supposedly their total viewers for the first half of 2011, and even then I'm not confident that's not just the total number of VOD views during that time. So, what kind of numbers does OSL actually get? It's hard to tell, most of the reported ratings seem to be for proleague. According to this article, the Batoo OSL Ro16 (so not that far in the tournament, maybe a low representation of overall viewers) drew 1.12% of Korean males 13-29. Then we can go over to this image and see that there are roughly 1.85+1.7+1.95+(0.5*1.65) = 6.3 million such males, so that's 70,000 just in that demographic for one broadcast. I think we can fairly extrapolate that there are at least 100,000 viewers, then, for just an average night in the OSL. Wow I'd be so embarrassed right now if I was him. I wonder if he'll show his face around here for a while. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
Winning an osl was something 99% of sc2 pros dreamt of doing in their lifetime but never could. now's their chance. Prestige in anything is based solely on the name. It's why schools like Harvard are so well known. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:54 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm not sure if you have the numbers to back that up. The last MLG drew over 2.2 million viewers worldwide. http://mashable.com/2012/06/14/major-league-gaming-streaming-numbers/ And GSL regularly tops 50 million viewers... http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/ unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere. I think you need to cite your own sources a bit better, or at least learn how to read them. Anyways, just because I'm bored and have all this readily available I made a long post here. But yes, the gomtv is a summation of vod and stream views (as even specifically said in the article if you read it). + Show Spoiler + The MLG article refers to overall viewers on championship sunday (not sc2 exclusively, for instance here is another article that is better: http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/14/mlg-spring-championship-posts-record-shattering-numbers-for-viewership/. MLG didn't release sc2 compared to LoL viewership numbers, but at any rate "championship sunday" is for all the championships at MLG that are on sunday. The gsl methodology by gomtv is pretty damn shitty, as specifically said in the article: "therefore when summing up the number of viewers of the live broadcast and VODs, the number of foreign GSL viewers through GomTV is said to be 40,922,366 viewers and 12,516,491 viewers through the NeoTV; totaling up to 53,438,857 viewers. This number is calculated only up to the SuperTournament Finals that was held on June 18th of this year. Therefore it is predicted that the number of viewers including the new GSTL season and GSL Regular season for the rest of the year will easily add up to more than 100 million viewers." so they summed up vod views, and it's quite apparent they don't have 100 million viewers lol. Since I don't want to bother to look up anything new, I'll rehash something I posted in the first ongamenet to sc2 league thread about vod views for bw vs sc2 in korea exclusively (outdated league as this was for gomtv's bw leagues a few years back. They definitely reach 2.1 million is basically my point) + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2012 07:39 N.geNuity wrote: Just because I wanted to do the comparison, the vods for the finals of GomTV Classic Season 2 had 1,526,920 views, and GomTV Classic Season 3 had 1,509,156 views. Season 2 also had a ro8 matchup of Bisu vs Flash that had 2,090,148 views. The MVP vs Squirtle match has 712,477 views as its finals (can still grow with people watching it in the future, etc). Linkus: Mvp vs Squirtle Code S season 2 vods Iris vs Flash Season 3 finals Bisu vs jangbi season 2 finals Flash vs bisu ro8 also though, you can see overall league vods for code S season 2 and for the GomTV season 3. I believe season 2 vods for GomTV Intel Classicare buried in later pages of season3 as following the link for it leads to same pages. But you can see the viewership numbers of the overall league, not just the finals (it's actually funny coincidence that MVP was the lowest viewercount for GomTV classic season 3 ro16 with 198,905). Big names like jaedong even grab like 500,000 in ro32 vs no names but overal ro16s is like ~300,000-~500,000 (depending on players) for the bw and ~180,000-~250,000 for ro8/ro4 sc2 (with one ro4 match being higher at 340,000). Note those comparisons are out of date for brood war--as it may not be as popular now, and I think it's actually positive outlook for sc2 in korea that it still can grow some, but GomTV is still consistently pulling in ~1/2 the koreans than they did for bw. And this is exclusively comparing GomTV leagues with GomTV leagues. So I think it is fair to say the 2.09 million vod viewers for bisu vs flash ro8 is comparable to the 2.2 live viewers for mlg's championship sunday (of which LoL is a large chunk). But if you say 4.7 million viewers for whole event let's say a full 2.2 million were sc2 exclusive. Anyways, I'll also link to proleague '10-'11 grand finals viewership: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257268 http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49054 "The final set between Flash and Best reflected the most response from viewers, achieving a max viewership ratio of 2.514% (21% of males aged 16-19). In other words, 2 out of every 10 male Korean high school students watched the last set of the Proleague final." which I don't know how tv viewership is rated or whatever, but if it's 2.514% of the population of south korea that's 1.2 million people. Which if we assume sc2 on championship sunday pulled 1.2 million/2.2 million viewers on championship sunday, holy shit the claim that bw in korea is as large as sc2 worldwide is schockingly accurate. Especially as peak concurrent viewers was in the 400,000s. Yes I acknowledge that not everybody could watch mlg live on championship sunday, etc etc, but the vod views for mlg championship (winners bracket finals, losers bracket finals, and the finals) is about 13.5k on the largest one. Clearly not many people checked out the vods lastly just because I have it readily available I'll throw a fomos article (in english) about the opening of sk planet season 1, which was end of 2011. http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121552&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= where the numbers seem weirdly translated/reported--I don't know if .905 of korean males 23-25 is 90.5% or .905% (doubt the .905%, as 1% of males 23-25 is not worth reporting lol), and I think 13% of "total viewership" means 13% of cable channel audience, but most significantly they did have the #1 cable slot of 13-29 male viewers of tv. So I don't know how much that is but I'd imagine it would be at least 200,000 cable viewers. ""To be honest, achieving decent viewership numbers in certain target group(s) is not very hard when you air a well-targeted program at a specific hour. Still, holding 1st place in viewership among male viewers aged 13-29 for the entirety of the KT vs. Ace match is a significant achievement." also fuck other people for posting :p | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: used to be? It IS the most prestigious tournament Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then? I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have 1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself. This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious. I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now. Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership. Here are some VOD views reported just two months ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328247 | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
edit: you can actually see this pretty easily for yourself. look through the qualifier list. look at the amount of code s/code a, and a shit ton of unknown code b players ready to make their explosive entrance. These guys know the prestige that comes with winning the osl, they want their shot at it. The fact that only 1 person per every group of 32 players can get through makes it all the more cutthroat | ||
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