new dps charts (ordered high to low) - Page 2

On June 23 2012 11:27 HeroMystic wrote:


Banelings aren't light units.

And I would naturally agree with Reapers vs Armored, but it seems Reaper's DPS increases dramatically at higher supply, to the point where they're about equal to a Marauder. Of course, a Marauder has higher damage per hit (which makes them more valuable in smaller numbers and in shorter engagements), but Reapers are smaller and with Nitro-packs, much faster.

I'd say it's worth experimenting with.

EDIT: Also, Terran really doesn't have a gas problem at all in the lategame if you aren't significantly behind. In fact, we have a gas surplus most of the time. Getting Reapers out wouldn't be a problem at all.

On June 23 2012 11:48 Belisarius wrote:
The reaper's range is important to take into account. When you're talking huge numbers of units, their dps is pretty irrelevant when most of them are retarding around in the back.

I'd obviously like to see P/Z of this, but also dps/cost, adjusted for gas and +100 minerals/supply.

On June 23 2012 11:55 ShatterZer0 wrote:


Don't ask for the supremely subjective and generally impossible, "adjusting for gas and... minerals/supply".
It's a brawl waiting to happen. Mostly because such comparisons become meaningless with different styles of play.

On June 23 2012 11:59 Belisarius wrote:


This entire thing is meaningless with different styles of play, though. I mean, seriously, the top unit per supply is the reaper, and tanks are miles down the list. It ignores range, splash, armour and a ton of other things.

If you care about this thread enough to post in it, you obviously think this kind of stuff is at least an idle distraction worth pursuing for interest's sake. There's no harm in adding other metrics just to see what happens.

On June 23 2012 11:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


hm maybe add vikings? But i don't think reapers is a good idea in TvZ. Reapers can harass (*can*) or like in a drop, but marine drops are much less expensive and can kill both drones and hatches/tech. Also you're better off saving your gas for those medivacs. Lately they've been making ultralisks vs MMM tank so you need that high medivac count to keep your [small MMM numbers] alive and abuse the weakness of Ultralisks in small numbers since you can just keep kiting and he won't have enough fungals (seen often in MKP's games).

Reapers reinforce a lot slower than marines too, and it would probably be better to make less Rax and make more OCs. Also obviously reapers will only be useful against light units in battle... meaning lings and banelings. What if he goes ultralisks or roach (likely)? Suddenly your army is much less flexible and there are more opportunities for the zerg to punish your composition.

On June 23 2012 12:00 Snoodles wrote:
There's a guy here, fencer710, who suggests making reapers late game against protoss. There was also a pro who said that. Was it thorzain? doesnt seem like a bad idea if you have enough medivacs. and who doesn't bank thousands of gas after 3/3 is done? gas cost seems irrelevant.

The thing is the biggest struggle for terran late game is unit build time after fighting a huge 200 for 200 battle against zergs and protoss. If there were some kind of expensive research tech that let you build faster in the late game then we'd really be able to see the potential of terran units.

On June 23 2012 15:32 hunspirit wrote:
Interceptor attack cooldown = 3, not 1. So carrier dps is wrong.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Interceptor

On June 23 2012 10:49 killerdog wrote:
Huh, I wonder if super lategame tvp/tvz the terran is better off just making 25 rax with techlabs and going reaper marauder medivac instead of marines... If you get into a situation where cost is irrelevant and you have enough rax, then reapers just seem objectively better in every way (except 5 less health)