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United States95 Posts
The Spring Season has just drawn to a close with a massive bang, and we aren't wasting any time; the Summer Season is here. The Summer SCII Open Online Qualifiers begin on June 23rd, so it's time to register now!
The Open Online Qualifiers are open to all players who did not finish in the Top 80 at the Spring Championship. If you finished Top 8, you will be invited directly into the Summer Arena. If you finished 9th-80th, you will be invited to compete in the Summer Invite-Only Online Qualifiers. If you finished outside the Top 80, or did not compete in the Spring Championship, the Open Online Qualifiers are for you!
Register for your Region: Korea/Taiwan | Europe | North America
Competition schedule for the Open Online Qualifiers:
KOREA/TAIWAN:
Monday, June 25th
Tuesday, June 26th
EUROPE:
Saturday, June 23rd
Sunday, June 24th
NORTH AMERICA:
Wednesday, June 27th
Thursday, June 28th
Friday, June 29th
Full Schedule
All times are subject to change based upon the number of registered Players.
Note for players who finished 9th-80th at the Spring Championship: you must email jnye@mlgpro.com by Friday, Jun 22 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) and let us know which Region of the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers you are choosing to compete in. Please note: if you qualify for the Summer Arena, MLG will only pay for your travel if you fly out of the Region in which you chose to compete. There will be no travel stipends for players who fly from a different Region.
The Open Online Qualifiers are your chance to make it into the Invite-Only Qualifiers. From there you can earn a spot to join our Spring Championship Top 8 (DongRaeGu, Alicia, MarineKing, SaSe, Stephano, Puma, Polt, and Inori) in the Summer Arena, where a ton of prize money, as well as Summer Championship seeding, will be on the line. The following players from the Invite-Only Qualifiers will earn spots in the Arena:
- Summer Europe (EU) Invite-Only Online Qualifier 1st-9th
- Summer Korea/Taiwan (KOR/TW) Invite-Only Online Qualifier 1st-9th
- Summer North America (NA) Invite-Only Online Qualifier 1st-6th
Be one of them! Register for the Open Online Qualifiers now!
Players competing in the North American Finals of the StarCraft II World Championship Series can participate in all events of the MLG Summer Season, including the Open Online Qualifiers.
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glad it isnt invite only atleast..
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Are you supposed to receive an email or something if you placed 80th or below?
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Is there any word on the date or price point of the Summer Arena?
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It says that if we live in AZ, CT, MD, VT, or ND, we have to buy the pass in person at the event. But the pass is for online qualifiers. How can someone that lives in one of these states compete in the open online qualifiers? Or can we just not compete at all? That seems quite unfair.
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all 3 links redirect to the korean/taiwan qualifier
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wait - i just realized u have to pay to play the qualifiers
how fucked up
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United States34 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:03 Nagisa. wrote:
Are you supposed to receive an email or something if you placed 80th or below?
Players who finished 1st-80th in the Spring Championship will receive an email from Jason Nye (jnye@mlgpro.com) today or tomorrow. Those Players can either reply to the email directly or send a separate email to jnye@mlgpro.com with their Invite-Only Online Qualifier Region choice.
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The pay to play is to weed out the bronze leaguers, and more importantly those not serious about the tourney (won't show up to their scheduled matches).
Trust me, its a pain in the arse. I got knocked out of the MSI online tourney, in a very close game 3, and the player moved on - only to not play his next round and he got DQ'd. Woulda been better if he just didn't register in the first place. He only got to the second round because he got a buy...
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United States34 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:11 grapesludge wrote:
It says that if we live in AZ, CT, MD, VT, or ND, we have to buy the pass in person at the event. But the pass is for online qualifiers. How can someone that lives in one of these states compete in the open online qualifiers? Or can we just not compete at all? That seems quite unfair.
Players looking to purchase an Open Online Qualifier Player Pass who are a resident of one of the above states should email Jason Nye (jnye@mlgpro.com).
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MLG staff - North America registration link goes to Korea Taiwan registration.
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Glad that the qualification for europe is at midsummer time, when everybody have weekendplans already.(I think that this is same as sweden aswell).
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Is there anyway to see the overall format for the summer championship in the MLG site? I think in spring, the open qualifiers granted entrance to the Arena 2, but not Arena 1.
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On June 19 2012 07:41 Roarer wrote:
Is there anyway to see the overall format for the summer championship in the MLG site? I think in spring, the open qualifiers granted entrance to the Arena 2, but not Arena 1.
Not the MLG site, but:
MLG Summer Season Dates
They're going back to having a single SC2 Arena for the season (instead of a second SC2 Arena, there will be an Arena for LoL).
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What round did u have to make to get in top80? I made round2 of losers but still curious hehe xD
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United States34 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:11 desRow wrote:
What round did u have to make to get in top80? I made round2 of losers but still curious hehe xD
You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish in the Top 80 overall.
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On June 19 2012 08:15 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:11 desRow wrote:
What round did u have to make to get in top80? I made round2 of losers but still curious hehe xD You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish in the Top 80 overall.
Awww man thanks !! you're NA link is broken in the OP btw
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MLG constantly pumping out content :D lovely~
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"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks,
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is it open to a bronze godess?
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I don't see why you announce these things with such short notice. Some advance warning would have been nice. I'm decently certain a fair amount of euros won't even see the thread or get the information about your qualifier.
Personally i just can't cancel other plans at this stage, as fuzer said earlier, scandinavians tend to celebrate midsummer as one of the more major holidays. Not saying you need to take nationally specific cultural celebrations into account in your planning, but at least give more than a 3-4 day heads up.
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United States34 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks,
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers.
There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows:
Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event
Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event
Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event
Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event
Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event
Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event
Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players
There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4.
You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall.
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never mind, I'm too slow 
Edit: So we'll already know why Idra, Suppy, Fitzyhere, Illusion, Hawk, ViBE, Perfect, Insur, State, and Mystik won't be in the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers, despite finishing Top 80 in Anaheim.
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Why is none of NA on weekends?(friday doesn't count people still work). The TSL was same way, I want to play in these tournaments but I work monday-friday evenings. Makes me sad. Still love MLG tho..
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United States34 Posts
On June 19 2012 08:46 LaLuSh wrote:
I don't see why you announce these things with such short notice. Some advance warning would have been nice. I'm decently certain a fair amount of euros won't even see the thread or get the information about your qualifier.
Personally i just can't cancel other plans at this stage, as fuzer said earlier, scandinavians tend to celebrate midsummer as one of the more major holidays. Not saying you need to take nationally specific cultural celebrations into account in your planning, but at least give more than a 3-4 day heads up.
With Dreamhack this past weekend and the United Kingdom Nationals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series in two weeks, this coming weekend was the only feasible weekend that could be used for MLG Europe Qualifiers while giving us enough time to book reasonably priced flights and for Players to obtain any necessary visas for the Summer Arena (July 20-22).
You're right, in the future we can make an effort to provide more notice. If it means you won't be able to participate this time around, that will be unfortunate.
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On June 19 2012 09:42 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:46 LaLuSh wrote:
I don't see why you announce these things with such short notice. Some advance warning would have been nice. I'm decently certain a fair amount of euros won't even see the thread or get the information about your qualifier.
Personally i just can't cancel other plans at this stage, as fuzer said earlier, scandinavians tend to celebrate midsummer as one of the more major holidays. Not saying you need to take nationally specific cultural celebrations into account in your planning, but at least give more than a 3-4 day heads up. With Dreamhack this past weekend and the United Kingdom Nationals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series in two weeks, this coming weekend was the only feasible weekend that could be used for MLG Europe Qualifiers while giving us enough time to book reasonably priced flights and for Players to obtain any necessary visas for the Summer Arena (July 20-22). You're right, in the future we can make an effort to provide more notice. If it means you won't be able to participate this time around, that will be unfortunate.
Why it has to be weekend? (:
I mean, you wont see any fins who have friends at this tournament because of the date.
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Just a question.... why is it that EU + KR are getting 9 spots at the Arena, but NA is only getting 6? Koreans are already dominating the NA one, this just means there is less of a chance for US players to qualify.
I'm just curious as to why this decision was made to give EU+KR 18 spots but only 6 for NA.
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I think for EU, the logical idea is to entice more to come since there is such a low showing of EU players (though they did magnificently).
As for KR, dunno.
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I do like that MLG is pushing for Koreans NOT playing in the NA regional though... but what are the Invite-Only qualifier dates?? Golden is in the USA now, but will go back to Korea at some point so I need to know when the dates are so I can know which one to sign him up for.
Thanks
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Australia54784 Posts
wow haha short notice
hope to see many awesome names participating! :D
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damn, since I qualified for WCS NA I can't try to qualify for the Arena, & I can't play at MLG? 
I hope that next year they are ran as seperate events.
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On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows: Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4. You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall.
So I am clear..if you qualified for the WCS in Raleigh..you are NOT allowed to play in the qualifier for the Arena..and not even allowed to play in the main event? I am sorry, but did no one tell us this before? I would think a lot of players would be really upset by that and some would even choose to not play in the WCS to play in the MLG event...
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Did I miss something earlier? Why can't players compete in both events? I don't really see a reason why not.
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On June 19 2012 10:50 KeyHunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows: Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4. You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall. John, maybe I am missing something but liquipedia says that there were 128 players in the open bracket, then the 16 from champ which makes it 144..what am I missing? This is a big deal; as that means the difference between quite a few players qualifying.
Where on liquipedia? The Spring Championship Page there makes reference to "256 open bracket signups" and "Number of players: 144" (in reference to total participation), both of which are incorrect.
There were 128 players who entered the tournament at OWR1, 16 more who started in OWR4, and 16 starting in the Pools, for a total of 160.
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On June 19 2012 11:13 jobber123rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 10:50 KeyHunt wrote:On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows: Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4. You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall. John, maybe I am missing something but liquipedia says that there were 128 players in the open bracket, then the 16 from champ which makes it 144..what am I missing? This is a big deal; as that means the difference between quite a few players qualifying. Also, so I am clear..if you qualified for the WCS in Raleigh..you are NOT allowed to play in the qualifier for the Arena..and not even allowed to play in the main event? I am sorry, but did no one tell us this before? I would think a lot of players would be really upset by that and some would even choose to not play in the WCS to play in the MLG event... Where on liquipedia? The Spring Championship Page there makes reference to "256 open bracket signups" and "Number of players: 144" (in reference to total participation), both of which are incorrect. There were 128 players who entered the tournament at OWR1, 16 more who started in OWR4, and 16 starting in the Pools, for a total of 160.
That is exactly the number I missed; the 16 who were added in OWR4; OK..that number makes sense now.
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I really don't like being barred from the main event, I mean we're players and we like to complain that we played for 12 hours straight with few breaks and how evil the schedule is. But that said I was still able to place top 12 in WCS and top 80 in MLG and playing in both tournaments had its benefits because I got to double my major lan tournament experience. Please reconsider ;(.
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Some of these players look forward to playing in both events. They need the exposure provided from both events to make their trip worthwhile, and to help their career. Not every player in this community, especially a lot of the ones who qualified for WCS NA can afford to just pass up an event because they don't need the exposure. Please, just allow the players who WANT to participate to participate in both.
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I don't get it. The qualifiers are for a separate event (Arena) from the Championship which conflicts with WCS NA Finals.
If they wanted to prevent schedule conflicts, they could just put a restriction from the players competing in the Championship (if they manage to get a place by doing well in Arena). Why prevent a player from competing in the Arena AND Championships?
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This is just unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. Especially with no warning and no explanation. Its not as if Dreamhack just happened. I know each season is a season unto itself, but that doesn't stop you from being able to tell people during a previous season about an upcoming qualifier so they can prepare. That aside, it doesn't excuse not being forward about the WCS/MLG combination issue. Not at all fair play as far as disclosure is concerned.
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On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers.
So at the same time of doing something awesome for eSports, Blizzard doesn't allow players to compete in the biggest international tournament of the Summer...
MLG Summer is one tournament I will not be watching. What the hell is the point of even having it in North America if the best players in North America aren't allowed to participate?
Biggest failure in eSports history.
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This is really, really bad... Players have to be able to grab every opportunity for events and to play in them. Only allowing them to compete in one of two is just bad for the scene.
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The main issue for WCS/MLG was that players rightfully assumed that the schedules would have been made to accommodate the constraints that arise when running parallel competitions because there was coordination between the two organizations. Post mlg, a number of players talked about choosing one or the other because of how much of a negative impact trying to do both had on their performances. This idea the prohibiting the players from one or the other solves anything is ludicrous. The whole point of combining the events and putting them in the same venue was to make it easy to do both. If the schedule is rigorous then so be it. Come up with a system/schedule, inform the players, and then let them decide if the lack of breaks is worth trying to compete in both events. Otherwise it just seems like a huge mistake to try to do both tournaments at once.
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Terrible decision by both MLG and Blizzard. Here are the end results for both parties.
For Blizzard, if there is an option for players to drop out, they will do so and choose to participate in MLG. If they can't, they will become bitter with the tournament and possibly choose to not participate in future tournaments(The SC2 tourney scene is really that huge now)
For MLG, the biggest thing I see them losing is a huge viewer chunk with Idra not being able to participate. The others remove possible dark horse possibilities that make MLG special
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well if theyre not gonna let players play in both hopefully they'll drop the wcs stream from the red/blue streams since no one will want to watch it anyways
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I'm not a pro, will never be a pro so this doesn't affect me.
+ Show Spoiler +But wow, sometimes I wonder what goes on in the high level meetings where decisions like these are made. The short notice for the players, the fallout for fans and the loss for teams/sponsors with players that have to choose are all just negatives I could come up with in about 10 seconds. I'm a business owner and sometimes I just wonder how some companies remain solvent with decision making like this.
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On June 19 2012 11:53 hagrin wrote:I'm not a pro, will never be a pro so this doesn't affect me. + Show Spoiler +But wow, sometimes I wonder what goes on in the high level meetings where decisions like these are made. The short notice for the players, the fallout for fans and the loss for teams/sponsors with players that have to choose are all just negatives I could come up with in about 10 seconds. I'm a business owner and sometimes I just wonder how some companies remain solvent with decision making like this.
try reading the thread first.
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What...the hell? Why is the solution to player complaints regarding their participation in 2 events held on the same weekend at the same location to suddenly bar them from playing at both events at Raleigh? A walkthrough of the decision-making process on that one would be most appreciated, and perhaps necessary to do anything in terms of quelling the impending shitstorm.
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This is pretty pathetic, why would such a conflict even exist. Inexcusable and really disappointing.
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Rofl, I saw Idra post this on twitter and thought he was joking. I can't understand the logic behind this scheduling. Is it really that hard to seperate the event. For example, instead of MLG hosting a blizzard tournament, blizzard hosts an MLG tournament in their venue space - over the course of say - a week. This isn't going to work out well for the players at all.. I'm sure most are pretty upset ;~;
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United States8 Posts
Well, it does suck obviously that this has to happen that way. However I can understand why they are doing it because it didn't work for players to play in both tournaments. I am pretty sure that the WCS finals or w/e will have a huge prize pool so it shouldn't really affect the players that much, and they will still get the same exposure. If people want to watch there favorite players play they will still be able to watch them (tho they wont be playing some other people like koreans etc.).
I have a feeling that this decision was made along time ago for both tournys to be held at the same time and they had to make the rule change at the last minute because they were not able to have players play in both effectively.
I think its weird that they announce the qualifiers in such short notice, its kinda bad for the players and viewers.
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I can't say I'm surprised they aren't allowing players to compete in both events. It caused a ton of problems and people complained a lot. But I do think there are better solutions out there. Yes, they cost more money, but Blizzard is paying a ton of money to hold separate events for other countries.
Quite frankly, it doesn't need to take 3 days to finish WCS. Its only 64 players, that can be done in 2 days. I would have liked to see them start WCS a day earlier. With the actual MLG tournament not starting until 5pm on Friday, WCS could be almost done by then, and only a few players would be playing in both tournaments at the same time.
Yes it costs more money, but it makes your event 100 times better for everyone.
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On the list of things they thought would be a reasonable solution to the problem that plagued the last MLG, how did this one make it through as the "right choice"?
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So the top players from North America will not even be able to play at MLG Summer since they will be in the WCS tournament?
Um...... What?
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You're kidding right MLG?
What a complete joke not allowing them to play at MLG just because they are doing the WCS tournament...might as well pack up and leave to EU/KR.
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On June 19 2012 11:51 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. So at the same time of doing something awesome for eSports, Blizzard doesn't allow players to compete in the biggest international tournament of the Summer...
MLG Summer is one tournament I will not be watching. What the hell is the point of even having it in North America if the best players in North America aren't allowed to participate? Biggest failure in eSports history.
Yeah, Idra does have a Twitter.
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Why are both of these events scheduled at the same time again?
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On June 19 2012 12:13 avilo wrote:
Why are both of these events scheduled at the same time again?
Blizzard probably don't want to run there own tournament so they get tournaments already in the space to do it.
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Really poor decision considering how important MLG, the premier NA tourny, is to most of the players in WCS NA. Imagine if the WCS EU finals were during Dreamhack Winter and players could only participate in 1 event or if WCS Asia finals were during GSL...
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DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
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On June 19 2012 11:51 Darkomicron wrote:
This is really, really bad... Players have to be able to grab every opportunity for events and to play in them. Only allowing them to compete in one of two is just bad for the scene.
couldn't agree more this is not right MLG let the players decide if they want too play in 1 our 2 dont take the decision away from them
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Why is MLG news always two steps forward and one step back, this year?
We are having arenas to get pro players more chances to compete and more tourneys for viewers. Oh, and its pay-per-view.
Big news on the horizon including an exclusive deal with KeSPA. Oh, and its an exclusivity agreement.
This is not the way to go about fixing the scheduling problems that WCG caused for the pros. MLG is sometimes the only tournament that some of the lesser known American players who don't have big-name teams can be seen. Kind of an obnoxious decision.
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On June 19 2012 12:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
Quite frankly, it doesn't need to take 3 days to finish WCS. Its only 64 players, that can be done in 2 days. I would have liked to see them start WCS a day earlier. With the actual MLG tournament not starting until 5pm on Friday, WCS could be almost done by then, and only a few players would be playing in both tournaments at the same time.
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North American Nationals are only 32 players. They could probably get it done in a day/day and a half if they really wanted to.
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On June 19 2012 12:29 Kharnage wrote:
DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
Statistically not true; look at the players who competed in both in Anaheim...they all did fairly well in both brackets considering their match-ups. I am not saying it doesn't hurt to play that many matches..what I am saying is you should allow people to choose.
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Australia54784 Posts
to be honest, most of the competitors for WCS North America wouldn't make it to Day 3 MLG anyway though. Maybe 5-10 at most out of 32?
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People complain about the appearance of being able to play at both events.
MLG understands, makes it extremely clear you can only play in one event.
People complain about only being able to play at one event.
LIFE HAS NO MEANING.
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I thought this Blizzard/MLG deal was supposed to be good for everyone? Why can't blizzard just run their own shit
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Assuming HuK is also going to qualify for NA WCS through Canada...
You guys are seriously going to prevent the 2 most popular NA players from MLG? How can MLG possibly take that from Blizzard?
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On June 19 2012 12:46 SimDawg wrote:
People complain about the appearance of being able to play at both events.
MLG understands, makes it extremely clear you can only play in one event.
People complain about only being able to play at one event.
LIFE HAS NO MEANING.
The events should be held apart from each other. Yes the players wanted it changed so they didn't have to play in two tournies at once, making them choose is not the answer.
It is bad for the players, it is bad for the teams, it is bad for us (the most important) the fans. There is no reason for them not too hold two seperate tournies on different dates. Nobody gives a shit about the Blizzard WCS. hold that crap online.
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On June 19 2012 12:29 Kharnage wrote:
DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
Are you a pro player?
There is a reason that for the most part, big events are not scheduled on the same weekend. As a player that has worked really really hard but hasn't had a big breakout tournament yet, I want as many opportunities as I can get..
Being forced to choose between WCS or MLG, or in this case, being forced to play in WCS, blows.
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On June 19 2012 12:29 Kharnage wrote:
DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
The thing is the players were not given a choice, no one outside MLG knew this was going to happen in advance and all the NA pros played WCS assuming nothing would go wrong. now they have no choice at all and cannot play in the summer arena or summer championship just because they decided to play in blizzards huge tournament ( who wouldn't choose to do that? )
On June 19 2012 12:46 SimDawg wrote:
People complain about the appearance of being able to play at both events.
MLG understands, makes it extremely clear you can only play in one event.
People complain about only being able to play at one event.
LIFE HAS NO MEANING.
you don't get it.
On June 19 2012 12:44 opterown wrote:
to be honest, most of the competitors for WCS North America wouldn't make it to Day 3 MLG anyway though. Maybe 5-10 at most out of 32?
even if you take this route you have to also add in that they cannot try to qualify for the summer arena which has no conflicting dates with WCS as well as not being allowed to play at the championships.
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MLG handled hosting the USA WCS pretty poorly and it looks like they're going to do it again with the NA Continental Championship. I hope they choose a different partner if Blizzard does this again next year.
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You guys have had no problem conflicting your events with Dreamhack which you've done on many occasions in the past - which is bad for viewership for both parties I might add - But you can't run a 32-man tournament simultaneously?
Makes. Sense. None.
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Am I retarded ?
The op clearly says... if you are qualified for WCS Continentals you cant play in the online qualifier. This does NOT preclude you from playing at MLG Raleigh.
The reason behind this is that the Arena is a way to give a player a free ride to MLG. WCS players are already getting free trips, HENCE they are not allowed to play in the Arena qualifiers.
CONFLICTING INFO!
exact wording: * Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers.
chillax homies
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On June 19 2012 13:02 Xeris wrote:
Am I retarded or does everyone in this thread have really shitty reading comprehension.
The op clearly says... if you are qualified for WCS Continentals you cant play in the online qualifier. This does NOT preclude you from playing at MLG Raleigh.
The reason behind this is that the Arena is a way to give a player a free ride to MLG. WCS players are already getting free trips, HENCE they are not allowed to play in the Arena qualifiers.
Unless I really badly misread this, you're all dumb :D
exact wording: * Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers.
chillax homies
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events.
I mean thats pretty clear wording. Can't play in both events.
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On June 19 2012 13:02 Xeris wrote:
Am I retarded or does everyone in this thread have really shitty reading comprehension.
The op clearly says... if you are qualified for WCS Continentals you cant play in the online qualifier. This does NOT preclude you from playing at MLG Raleigh.
The reason behind this is that the Arena is a way to give a player a free ride to MLG. WCS players are already getting free trips, HENCE they are not allowed to play in the Arena qualifiers.
Unless I really badly misread this, you're all dumb :D
exact wording: * Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers.
chillax homies
check page two
On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. .
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On June 19 2012 13:02 Xeris wrote:
Am I retarded or does everyone in this thread have really shitty reading comprehension.
The op clearly says... if you are qualified for WCS Continentals you cant play in the online qualifier. This does NOT preclude you from playing at MLG Raleigh.
The reason behind this is that the Arena is a way to give a player a free ride to MLG. WCS players are already getting free trips, HENCE they are not allowed to play in the Arena qualifiers.
Unless I really badly misread this, you're all dumb :D
Not playing in the Online qualifier gives you a non-seed for Raleigh meaning you start in the Open Bracket rather than straight into Pool Play in a tournament where the prize pool actually matters.
As for your last sentence, hypocrite.
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Conflicting info then #_#... WELP IM RETARDED
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Xeris, I actually thought the wording was not 100% unambiguous, but Idra's twitter and MLG's lack of response (despite actively responding to messages at the beginning) kinda confirms the 'wtf' interpretation.
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On June 19 2012 12:29 Kharnage wrote:
DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
Ok than. Lets just revoke everyone in EU who participated in Dreamhack from WCS. I mean, its not like Blizzard paid to have a venue, casters, and staff to manage those events seperate from Dreamhack right?
Oh whats that you say, the US is the only country getting fucked out of competing in their countries biggest tournaments and WCS at the same time? This is like GSTL and GSL being on the same day and Squirtle/MVP only being able to play in one or the other, except not as big of names. Theirs no excuse for such poor handling of the situation.
This is actually completely unacceptable in my eyes. It isn't going to help make MLG any more organized. It's still going to be a chaotic environment, except now they have to deal with two distinct separate tournaments that have different players playing, and not get things mixed up. I'd honestly rather the NA qualifier to be done online at a different date than just bar WCS players from competing in MLG. Blizzard had been doing so well with the WCS up to this point, they need to come up with a way to not have this stain on their otherwise very decently ran tournament.
Hopefully Canada doesn't get screwed at NASL considering NASL is far smaller and easier to run than open bracket of MLG.
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On June 19 2012 13:02 Xeris wrote:
Am I retarded ?
The op clearly says... if you are qualified for WCS Continentals you cant play in the online qualifier. This does NOT preclude you from playing at MLG Raleigh.
The reason behind this is that the Arena is a way to give a player a free ride to MLG. WCS players are already getting free trips, HENCE they are not allowed to play in the Arena qualifiers.
CONFLICTING INFO!
exact wording: * Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers.
chillax homies
On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:
..............."At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events." .................
Clearly.
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Wow MLG way to shoot yourselves in the foot.
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WCS NA players cannot compete for Summer Arena prize money?
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On June 19 2012 13:34 Liquid`NonY wrote:
WCS NA players cannot compete for Summer Arena prize money?
Apparently not. D:
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I don't think that WCS NA players are going to dominate the Summer Arena so much that MLG is left with a seeding problem. Probably not enough of us will even qualify for Summer Arena to be able to cause a seeding problem.
I don't know what other problem we could possibly cause. I guess storyline continuity between the Arena and the Championship? That'd be pretty weak. I don't know.
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Why must they be held concurrently? Do WCS, then MLG. ezpz
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On June 19 2012 13:48 andreios wrote:
Why must they be held concurrently? Do WCS, then MLG. ezpz
That is not easy lol, Regular MLG takes 3 days to finish and the schedule is already hectic, Doing WCS first and pushing the MLG tournament back would make the schedules much worse than it already is.
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If it is indeed the case that WCS players wont be able to compete in the MLG Summer championships then I am sorely disappointed in MLG. Allowing WCS players to compete in MLG at Anaheim brought about players like xSixSuppy, who was one of the stories of the whole tournament, being the top placing American player. How can you just turn around and deny the players their chance at showing their skills in your competition AFTER they have already commited to competing in WCS and making it that far? This is an absolute travesty commited against those players that qualify for the North American Nationals.
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On June 19 2012 13:52 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 13:48 andreios wrote:
Why must they be held concurrently? Do WCS, then MLG. ezpz That is not easy lol, Regular MLG takes 3 days to finish and the schedule is already hectic, Doing WCS first and pushing the MLG tournament back would make the schedules much worse than it already is.
Well if they actually took the time to sit down and make a schedule and not have security at the event be completely misinformed and screwing people by making them late for matches or just have blizzard find some open time to run the tournament else where. This seems to be their quick fix to the problem that people complained about at Anaheim.
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Oh god, this decision is just pathetic... I wouldn't think it could even come to someones head and be seriously considered.
How about you don't mix 2tournaments into one, instead? :|
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On June 19 2012 13:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think that WCS NA players are going to dominate the Summer Arena so much that MLG is left with a seeding problem. Probably not enough of us will even qualify for Summer Arena to be able to cause a seeding problem.
I don't know what other problem we could possibly cause. I guess storyline continuity between the Arena and the Championship? That'd be pretty weak. I don't know.
Stop it with that logic nony!
We're getting all passionate and worked up here. We're just trying to work out who sponsers Blizzard so we can complain to them....
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Pretty terrible kinda dissapointed
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On June 19 2012 14:14 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 13:52 zaii wrote:On June 19 2012 13:48 andreios wrote:
Why must they be held concurrently? Do WCS, then MLG. ezpz That is not easy lol, Regular MLG takes 3 days to finish and the schedule is already hectic, Doing WCS first and pushing the MLG tournament back would make the schedules much worse than it already is. Well if they actually took the time to sit down and make a schedule and not have security at the event be completely misinformed and screwing people by making them late for matches or just have blizzard find some open time to run the tournament else where. This seems to be their quick fix to the problem that people complained about at Anaheim.
What are you talking about, They already have a schedule?
They talk about it on the pregame show for each of the 3 days, It's been posted on there site, and there's a station in the event where they have a dedicated person with large board showing when all the matches should start.
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awful decision... sucks for my friends
Glad I didn't make top 16 now, because I just signed up for the qualifier! lol 
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On June 19 2012 06:58 teddyoojo wrote:
glad it isnt invite only atleast..
It's the same as for the spring arena.
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Unfortunate, I'm sure there is a better way to solve the problem. Perhaps there just isn't enough time, but there still should be a way for them to compete IMO. It just seems unfair that they get this info without and sort of notice.
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From 14 hour marathon tournament days to barring players from entering completely. Just another PR disaster for MLG.
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This is really bad for people like Illusion, Idra, Tyler, and goswer. I don't even understand how any sane business man would think this is acceptable....
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Don't forget HuK.
Maybe this is MLG's way of getting back at Idra for his recent complain post.
Actually I think the recent silence from MLG is potential that they may reverse this decision. Hopefully.
Separate events > events together but run well > events together but not run well > THIS
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Brunei Darussalam24 Posts
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.
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On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.
It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.
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On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events. It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.
Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid
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On June 19 2012 16:19 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events. It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim. Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid
it was a poor schedule, Because WCS was there. IMO either have WCS online only or participate in only 1 tournamet. MLG tournaments are already on tight schedules, Having WCS making it tighter than it already is for the players is terrible.
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Its definitely not right to punish the players for their poor choice of putting both events at the same time. Yeah I get the players complained and now yeah they won't complain aobut playing in two tournaments, now they'll complain of being barred from playing in both and getting prize money for both if they are good enough. Also people who would wanna see IdrA, HuK, and NonY play at MLG.
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On June 19 2012 16:31 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 16:19 TheDougler wrote:On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events. It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim. Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid it was a poor schedule, Because WCS was there. IMO either have WCS online only or participate in only 1 tournamet. MLG tournaments are already on tight schedules, Having WCS making it tighter than it already is for the players is terrible.
I guess I didn't realize that the people that played in the WCS and MLG tournament at Anaheim had a really difficult time with scheduling and what not. It seems like they'd somehow be able to figure out a way to schedule things accordingly so that it wouldn't be all that hectic.
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Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?
At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.
Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move.
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On June 19 2012 17:12 zerger420 wrote:
Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?
At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.
Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move.
ummm no. One, they are too big of partners with Blizzard. Two, you don't make an exclusive deal with Kespa to put Flas on a side stage. Three, no reason to take SC2 off the main stage. The crowds are still huge. Halo lost it because they weren't drawing the crowds like they used to. Thats not happening to sc2.
This is MLG trying to fix the problem from Anaheim. While it technically fixes it, it creates a larger problem, keeping the top NA players out of your event.
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I think that MLG has absolutely no other options, they need to do the WCS during the MLG event (whatever reason it is, probably financial reasons or contractual reasons), people complain about the fact that's impossible to do both events ( Idra blog, SirScoots LO3 and so on). So they either do it like last time and allow people to play both will all the complaint it imply, or they do it this way.
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So, there are 16 best USA players from USA WCS prelims, and MLG not just banned them from MLG Raleigh, but from all summer MLG events?
Well done.
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On June 19 2012 17:46 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 17:12 zerger420 wrote:
Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?
At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.
Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move. ummm no. One, they are too big of partners with Blizzard. Two, you don't make an exclusive deal with Kespa to put Flas on a side stage. Three, no reason to take SC2 off the main stage. The crowds are still huge. Halo lost it because they weren't drawing the crowds like they used to. Thats not happening to sc2. This is MLG trying to fix the problem from Anaheim. While it technically fixes it, it creates a larger problem, keeping the top NA players out of your event.
This is a good point. LoL isn't going to become their premiere game. The SC2 community seems to have low self-esteem and worries that the LoL community is going to surpass it, but the LoL community in general begrudges SC2 for being more successful than LoL and they want what SC2 has. More successful in every way other than viewership numbers, I mean. We say LoL has better crowds, LoL community says SC2 has far and away a better crowd consistently.
I don't know that it creates a larger problem, but while trying to sidestep one problem they definitely walked right into another one. I don't know, I'd have to have more information on how they reached this decision but I know scheduling can be a nightmare and maybe this really was their best option. :/
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On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH
gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events. It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.
Why not schedule WCS for sunday, when all the Americans will be knocked out, anyways?
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Well NA players can then easily play in the FXOpen NA qualifier on the 23rd instead of having to choose between FXO and MLG :D
Least one good thing huh.
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This all sounds like a major clusterfuck
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Nice fix, I see MLG thought this one through. Well they can always apologize after the fact again.
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( sorry for my English not a native)
The appropriate solution is quite obvious and I don't understand why nobody mentioned it. Do the WCS on the Thursday (and Friday day til 5.30 when mlg starts). Ahhhh but that costs money.
In the end Blizzard can pay for the extra day of renting for the venue.
This is the only positive responsible thing to do: to add more time. Of course they didn't come up with that solution. It costs more. But it would be the right thing to do if you are actually concerned with growing esports and more specifically to help develop the north American scene.
If you claim to be the biggest, most professional league in the world outside of Kespa then act like it. Mlg wanted that wcs. It gives mlg importance on the scene (or doesnt give something to another league) and it was good to impress Kespa in Anaheim with more people and blizzard being involved. They are not ready to deal with the consequences of that deal and still maintain a good level of execution. From what I have seen recently, it's not surprising at all. Doing wcs was a business and PR decision not a sports decision to grow the NA scene.
Someone said that he is confused that mlg takes one step forward two backwards. It is because their actions don't reflect their PR. Classic. They say one thing, to look good, but behave in ways that contradict the nice PR statements about their mission goals in the scene.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....shame on me.
We should have enough info by now to start being very careful about MLG's plans in general.
There is probably still time to re balance things out but it would require to delay gratification and choose a more difficult and long path. The reward would be huge but depends on our priorities.
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when does the summer pass go on sale?
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Haha, this is pretty silly. I'm sure that, while everyone complained about it, everyone would rather grit their teeth and do two tournaments at once instead of just one. But it seems a little silly that there was absolutely no room to hold a separate event.
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It's unfortunate that all the other WCS events seem to be independent small events that aren't shoehorned on top of another big events. Blizzard clearly made a mistake choosing MLG as their partner for USA & North America. I don't quite understand why MLG would want to punish North American players and their solution to the complaints from Anaheim seems very poorly thought out.
As Primadog said, even scheduling the WCS for Sunday, when there's not that many players left in the Championship, would have been a much better choice. Ideally, these events would not have to coincide at all, like what I can see from other countries' WCS events, but I guess that's the solution when the tournament partner is unwilling or unable to actually run additional events.
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Think about it guys, this really is the next rational step.
MLG has already methodically embarrassed all North American players on the world stage and then handicapped them in all future tournaments so none can even be successful by fluke. We measure a North American player's success by if they can make the Top 32. There's really nothing else left for them to do but just ban them from playing completely.
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On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows: Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4. You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall.
This is a very poor way to handle the situation. Blizzard and MLG have screwed the pooch on this one, but I blame MLG more than Blizzard. Do better MLG, this is not acceptable.
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Hope this is in regard to this...
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Wow. This was definitely not handled properly.
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On June 19 2012 16:35 KunA wrote:
Its definitely not right to punish the players for their poor choice of putting both events at the same time. Yeah I get the players complained and now yeah they won't complain aobut playing in two tournaments, now they'll complain of being barred from playing in both and getting prize money for both if they are good enough. Also people who would wanna see IdrA, HuK, and NonY play at MLG.
um...who are these people you speak of exactly? As I recall, from a tournament organization perspective; conflicting schedules of the players is too much of a risk to the overall tournament qualify i.e. pick one.
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Players complained about MLG and WCS overlapping but most of them still chose to play in both because they decided it still worth it -- both were such important events that they couldn't justify skipping one. Being barred from one event entirely is NOT a better solution. Adding an extra day into the tournament so they can spread it out is.
And not letting them into the Arena is just silly and I can't even imagine what they were thinking. Even if players knew they couldn't win a trip to MLG by getting there I think most would choose to compete for the prize money.
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On June 20 2012 06:13 JackDT wrote:
Players complained about MLG and WCS overlapping but most of them still chose to play in both because they decided it still worth it -- both were such important events that they couldn't justify skipping one. Being barred from one event entirely is NOT a better solution. Adding an extra day into the tournament so they can spread it out is.
And not letting them into the Arena is just silly and I can't even imagine what they were thinking. Even if players knew they couldn't win a trip to MLG by getting there I think most would choose to compete for the prize money.
This. Since players complain about having to participate in two tournaments on the same day, let's just make it easier for them and remove that option.
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PLAYERS CAN NOW PLAY IN BOTH
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-na-mlg-sc2-summer-championship-update/
The MLG Summer Championship, to be held in Raleigh, NC on August 24-26, will feature the North American Finals of the StarCraft II World Championship Series, in addition to the MLG Pro Circuit StarCraft II Summer Championship. The top finishers from the North American Continentals will be representing their countries later this year at the Battle.net World Championship in Asia; this is huge event with a great deal at stake. We know that both the North American Finals and the Pro Circuit Summer Championship are incredibly important to the StarCraft II community. Our goal, when determining how these two events would work together in Raleigh, was to ensure the best possible tournament experience for all players in both tournaments. Blizzard was not party to the original schedule release.
After listening to extensive community feedback, MLG worked closely with Blizzard to ensure that the participants in the WCS NA Finals would not be forced to choose between participating in that event and the MLG Pro Circuit Summer Championship. It is critically important to both Blizzard and MLG that players be able to compete as they choose. Schedules will now be staggered so that players can compete in both events. North American Finals competitors; you can now participate in all aspects of the MLG Summer Season, including the Open and Invite-Only Online Qualifiers, the Arena, and the Summer Championship. Registration for the Open Online Qualifiers is open now.
Detailed schedules for both of Raleigh’s StarCraft II events will be released in the coming weeks.
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Now fixed!
It is critically important to both Blizzard and MLG that players be able to compete as they choose. Schedules will now be staggered...
via: https://twitter.com/MLGSundance
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So Blizzard didn't like what MLG was doing and forced them to change stuff, good news.
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On June 20 2012 06:22 jmbthirteen wrote:PLAYERS CAN NOW PLAY IN BOTH http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-na-mlg-sc2-summer-championship-update/Show nested quote +
The MLG Summer Championship, to be held in Raleigh, NC on August 24-26, will feature the North American Finals of the StarCraft II World Championship Series, in addition to the MLG Pro Circuit StarCraft II Summer Championship. The top finishers from the North American Continentals will be representing their countries later this year at the Battle.net World Championship in Asia; this is huge event with a great deal at stake. We know that both the North American Finals and the Pro Circuit Summer Championship are incredibly important to the StarCraft II community. Our goal, when determining how these two events would work together in Raleigh, was to ensure the best possible tournament experience for all players in both tournaments. Blizzard was not party to the original schedule release.
After listening to extensive community feedback, MLG worked closely with Blizzard to ensure that the participants in the WCS NA Finals would not be forced to choose between participating in that event and the MLG Pro Circuit Summer Championship. It is critically important to both Blizzard and MLG that players be able to compete as they choose. Schedules will now be staggered so that players can compete in both events. North American Finals competitors; you can now participate in all aspects of the MLG Summer Season, including the Open and Invite-Only Online Qualifiers, the Arena, and the Summer Championship. Registration for the Open Online Qualifiers is open now.
Detailed schedules for both of Raleigh’s StarCraft II events will be released in the coming weeks.
There you go MLG! :D
Much better. <3
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So critically important they didn't realize it until now. Yeah, sure.
Why does everything have to be fixed after public outcries? Is it too much to ask to come up with a decent plan to begin with?
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On June 20 2012 06:59 StarVe wrote:So critically important they didn't realize it until now. Yeah, sure. Why does everything have to be fixed after public outcries? Is it too much to ask to come up with a decent plan to begin with?
To be honest this sounds like a lack of communication. This is something easily handled by just asking the teams and players what they would prefer, and MLG/Blizzard would have realized instantly that it was the wrong choice. I'm glad they listened and will now not only allow people to compete in both but stagger the tournaments. If done even somewhat decently it should eliminate almost all issues with competing in two tournaments.
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Good work fixing that ASAP MLG, that is why you're awesome. You make mistakes then you own up and fix them. Well, aside from with extended series haha, I kid.
Seriously, well played.
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On June 20 2012 07:04 draumr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 06:59 StarVe wrote:On June 20 2012 06:22 Gl!tch wrote:Now fixed! It is critically important to both Blizzard and MLG that players be able to compete as they choose. Schedules will now be staggered... via: https://twitter.com/MLGSundance So critically important they didn't realize it until now. Yeah, sure. Why does everything have to be fixed after public outcries? Is it too much to ask to come up with a decent plan to begin with? To be honest this sounds like a lack of communication. This is something easily handled by just asking the teams and players what they would prefer, and MLG/Blizzard would have realized instantly that it was the wrong choice. I'm glad they listened and will now not only allow people to compete in both but stagger the tournaments. If done even somewhat decently it should eliminate almost all issues with competing in two tournaments.
There doesn't even need to be communication.
Just have a decent schedule and you've done your work as a tournament, since we apparently can't expect them to make the tournaments separate events like almost every other WCS event around the world has been. Teams are aware of the shitty situation that having to play tournaments at once creates because the last tournament with the same issues just happened.
If they want to focus on one thing, they'll choose so. Most will want to play both anyway because of the exposure and experience you get.
Don't fucking force them to choose! If they didn't want to play both, they would've been able to arrange that completely fine on their own.
I can't even imagine how you come up with something like that. Whoever at MLG decided the first announcement was a good idea, seems so out of touch with the players, the teams, the viewers, the community, with everything, really.
"So, uhh, we have this big tournament coming up. With all the big players who pull a lot of viewers for us attending, HuK, IdrA, NonY, Illusion, you know? Now this is brilliant - just listen! We're gonna make 'em play, but only one tournament! Half the amount of matches they would want to play! They have to choose between the events! Awesome, right?"
"So we'll definitely have one tournament without any of the NA figureheads?"
"Exaaactly! And here's the best thing! You remember these arena events we're doing with the PPV method? They won't be able to play there either!"
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On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:31 KeyHunt wrote:
"* Players who are qualified for the NA Continental Finals cannot participate in any Summer Online Qualifiers."
What does this mean?
Also, a total of 144 players in the open bracket; with 32 being removed each round in loser's..so wouldn't that be anyone round 3 or above would be top 80?
Thanks, At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers.There were also 16 Players who started in Pool Play, making a total of 160 Players in the Spring Championship Event. Remember, the number of Players in each Losers Bracket round decrease as you progress. The eliminations proceeded as follows: Losers Round 1 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 128 in the Event Losers Round 2 = 32 Players eliminated, leaving 96 in the Event Losers Round 3 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 80 in the Event Losers Round 4 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 64 in the Event Losers Round 5 = 16 Players eliminated, leaving 48 in the Event Losers Round 6 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving 40 in the Event Losers Round 7 = 8 Players eliminated, leaving the 32 Championship Bracket Players There are three Rounds in a row where 16 Players are eliminated because of the 16 Players who started in Open Winners Round 4. You had to reach Open Losers Round 4 in order to finish top 80 overall.
Well this is some serious BS.
EDIT: Oh hai there SUNDANCE. Nice save.
I just picture Dustin Browder busting into MLG HQ destroying all the destructible rocks along the away. And he's all like "You must stagger the schedule or you will have to use maps with MOAR destructible rocks MUAHAHAHHAA."
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where do you need to place in the open to make the Invite?
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Update: The dates Korea/Taiwan Online Qualifiers have changed. They will now take place June 25th and 26th. You can view the full schedule here.
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