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On June 09 2012 12:12 Natespank wrote:
early game defense for every race but terran. Terran nerf again.
Nerf = Reducing the power of a unit. I don't think terran is nerfed bro, nothing was touch. Now about that bunker....
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On June 09 2012 12:12 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. THose Depots sure can transport my units... Overlords count as Units fact.
yeah yeah, they sure do terrible terrible damage to terran. I love how you are struggling to make the amount of units similar. Oh well.
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On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor.
LOL. overlords are supply. how about we just go ahead and count supply depots as a "unit" as well. better yet, lets count PF as a unit since ur bmain mining building can kill shit.
its hilarious how far ppl will go just to be "right".
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command centers are also units because they can pick up and drop scvs for harass.
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On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can.
Sure, when my depots starts flying around providing almost free scouting, carrying my units and baneling bomb things underneath them.
Until then, no, but good try.
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On June 09 2012 12:12 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. THose Depots sure can transport my units... Overlords count as Units fact.
Fine, Command Centers can move and transport units so they should count too.
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On June 09 2012 12:15 Kaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:12 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. THose Depots sure can transport my units... Overlords count as Units fact. Fine, Command Centers can move and transport units.
People sure will cry about anything.
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On June 09 2012 12:14 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. Sure, when my depots starts flying around providing almost free scouting, carrying my units and baneling bomb things underneath them. Until then, no, but good try.
Barracks, factory, starport, CC. Terran flying building with more HP then a overlord AND can produce units oh and they move faster then a overlord. what do you know! And they benefit from the buidling armor.
Until then, no ,but good try. Give it up bro, you are struggling to make yourself right.
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On June 09 2012 12:14 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL. overlords are supply. how about we just go ahead and count supply depots as a "unit" as well. its hilarious how far ppl will go just to be "right".
You're right it is funny. I don't recall supply depots spreading creep to block expansions, etc like overlords can or depots turning into detectors (overseers). They have uses too. And oh yea, ever heard of changelings? Those things are very underrated.
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On June 09 2012 12:14 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. Sure, when my depots starts flying around providing almost free scouting, carrying my units and baneling bomb things underneath them. Until then, no, but good try.
use a barracks, its better scouting, doesnt cost u a scan, faster than a overlord, and doesnt cost supply.
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On June 09 2012 12:14 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL. overlords are supply. how about we just go ahead and count supply depots as a "unit" as well. better yet, lets count PF as a unit since ur bmain mining building can kill shit. its hilarious how far ppl will go just to be "right".
Overlords are Dropships and can spit out creep they#re not just supply depots.
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On June 09 2012 12:16 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:14 Ballistixz wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL. overlords are supply. how about we just go ahead and count supply depots as a "unit" as well. better yet, lets count PF as a unit since ur bmain mining building can kill shit. its hilarious how far ppl will go just to be "right". Overlords are Dropships and can spit out creep they#re not just supply depots.
I wouldn't count queens, overlords, overseers, or medivacs. Only units commonly used in combat. Medivac could kinda be considered half a unit. Overlord plus queen at best make for about half a unit combined, like the medivac That leaves zerg with 9.5 and terran with 11 or 11.5. Queens are only defensive units like planetary fortresses, and overseers are scouters and detectors like orbital commands.
Terran also kinda has a bonus building — the radar tower. Don't need to count it, but if counting it I'd at least consider it half a building or unit extra.
On June 09 2012 12:04 Doc Daneeka wrote:
i still think entomb and abduct are really dumb, contrived abilities. but i'm liking most of the rest of it. i especially like how they've decided to use the mothership.
You're not using "contrived" in the right way, and "dumb" is really vague.
I personally like both the abilities. Both of these abilities will make for much more active gameplay.
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On June 09 2012 12:16 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:14 Ballistixz wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL. overlords are supply. how about we just go ahead and count supply depots as a "unit" as well. its hilarious how far ppl will go just to be "right". You're right it is funny. I don't recall supply depots spreading creep to block expansions, etc like overlords can or depots turning into detectors (overseers). They have uses too. And oh yea, ever heard of changelings? Those things are very underrated.
my hive doesnt do AoE splash damage and melt tier 1 units either.
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On June 09 2012 12:15 Kaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:12 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:46 L0thar wrote:
....aaand the TvZ battlereport only supported my previous view that Terrans are getting shafted in HoTS. They are getting the weakest (which could be balanced) and most boring (which sadly couldn't) additions from all races.
But the one mine detonation was kinda funny, I'll give you that. Too bad other things were rather cryworthy.
Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. THose Depots sure can transport my units... Overlords count as Units fact. Fine, Command Centers can move and transport units so they should count too.
The feared 5 SCV drop .. ( with upgrade for bunkerspace its 8 !!!!!!!!!!! )
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On June 09 2012 12:17 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:04 Doc Daneeka wrote:
i still think entomb and abduct are really dumb, contrived abilities. but i'm liking most of the rest of it. i especially like how they've decided to use the mothership. You're not using "contrived" in the right way, and "dumb" is really vague. I personally like both the abilities. Both of these abilities will make for much more active gameplay.
Entomb is kinda crazy though, but I like how it works. I like the idea, most probably it will be balanced in Beta.
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On June 09 2012 12:09 -Exalt- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:00 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:58 eden-san wrote:
And more importantly I do agree with people complaining about SC2 morphing into a WC3 kinda game with so many abilities around in each and every unit, kinda afraid that all those changes might entirely change the actual gameplay...
Brood gave the player a whole new set of units that required him to rethink his army comps and strategies without introducing any sort of game-breaking abilities, which allowed Blizzard to ensure that even if balance was broken only slight tweaks would be required to restore it.
HotS gives us game-breaking abilities in almost every unit, the kind of abilities that can end games directly... Impossible to truly balance imo and completely stupid. It also seems to dumb down early game by giving every one ways to scare off the opponent (PF-like add-on for Nexus, burrowed swarm host means you need detection before entering Z's base, and T... Well T).
A few good changes still:
- Hydras speed is greatly appreciated and not game breaking, merely renders them finally relevant end-game.
- Ultras charge is cool without being overpowered.
- Versatile, anti-biological hellions and anti-armored warhounds will make mech T an actually viable option in every match-up imo.
- Battlecruisers being buffed always is a welcomed change, even though a little underwhelming imo. I guess they made it to escape those widow mines LOLZ :D
- I actually find tempest to be an interesting unit that will add more depth to any engagement, will make positioning even more important (core mechanics of all Starcraft games).
Now for what I think sucks:
- Mothership core doesn't add more depth to the strategy of the game, I actually think it diminishes it.
- Oracle, from the video you can see how Z was pretty much denied most mining from a base thanks to that one Oracle, and then it got that vision spell (with no possibility to dispell?), and then the cloak... Jesus.
- Tanks were already not used much vP, useless vZ end-game... What of it now? :D
- Reaper healing, lulz, that suddenly make them so much more useful eh? I feel like they could remove the factory requirement on the speed upgrade now that queen range was buffed.
- Swarm host and Vipers... Effectively making Z a slower caster race... Really Blizzard? Really?! lol, swarm host is fucking cool man. I don't know why you think it sucks, a siege breaker unit? Zerg has been yearning for a before broodlord type of unit. I love it. mothership is required, game design wise, for protoss to deal with mass broodlord / infestor / corrupter/ queen for certain timings in end game PvZ (when you are just maxing out, before you have the econ to switch into carriers).. at this timing you can get a vortex to essentially save you from the massive brood lord timings.. if you can not get the vortex for that you will die. the best part is, once zergs reliably split their brood lords, it will not be a simple Vortex = win, it will be a vortex = reduced enough brood damage to allow him to survive. for people to be angry about the mothership staying, really shows a lack of game knowledge from the community or people are just ignorant. and about TvP, I've tested it against some high master friends on the HOTS custom map (was accurate for the last version of HOTS) and mech just destroys protoss. Any protoss unit composition can easily be recked by battlehellion/warhound/ghost/viking, and you can almost always be ahead of the protoss w/ this style due to how many hellions you have that can be dropped and kill massive amounts of probes.. mech is finally good against protoss and terrans are still complaining? wuuuuut?
People are complaining because we care more about FUN, then EZ WIN. We miss the Mech style of BW with TANKS and SpiderMine VULTURES.
Right now Blizzard has given us 1a Battle Hellions and 1a Warhounds. Both of which look silly, and boring to play.
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I can't believe people are arguing against the fact that Overlords are units. -_-;
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On June 09 2012 12:18 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:09 -Exalt- wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:58 eden-san wrote:
And more importantly I do agree with people complaining about SC2 morphing into a WC3 kinda game with so many abilities around in each and every unit, kinda afraid that all those changes might entirely change the actual gameplay...
Brood gave the player a whole new set of units that required him to rethink his army comps and strategies without introducing any sort of game-breaking abilities, which allowed Blizzard to ensure that even if balance was broken only slight tweaks would be required to restore it.
HotS gives us game-breaking abilities in almost every unit, the kind of abilities that can end games directly... Impossible to truly balance imo and completely stupid. It also seems to dumb down early game by giving every one ways to scare off the opponent (PF-like add-on for Nexus, burrowed swarm host means you need detection before entering Z's base, and T... Well T).
A few good changes still:
- Hydras speed is greatly appreciated and not game breaking, merely renders them finally relevant end-game.
- Ultras charge is cool without being overpowered.
- Versatile, anti-biological hellions and anti-armored warhounds will make mech T an actually viable option in every match-up imo.
- Battlecruisers being buffed always is a welcomed change, even though a little underwhelming imo. I guess they made it to escape those widow mines LOLZ :D
- I actually find tempest to be an interesting unit that will add more depth to any engagement, will make positioning even more important (core mechanics of all Starcraft games).
Now for what I think sucks:
- Mothership core doesn't add more depth to the strategy of the game, I actually think it diminishes it.
- Oracle, from the video you can see how Z was pretty much denied most mining from a base thanks to that one Oracle, and then it got that vision spell (with no possibility to dispell?), and then the cloak... Jesus.
- Tanks were already not used much vP, useless vZ end-game... What of it now? :D
- Reaper healing, lulz, that suddenly make them so much more useful eh? I feel like they could remove the factory requirement on the speed upgrade now that queen range was buffed.
- Swarm host and Vipers... Effectively making Z a slower caster race... Really Blizzard? Really?! lol, swarm host is fucking cool man. I don't know why you think it sucks, a siege breaker unit? Zerg has been yearning for a before broodlord type of unit. I love it. mothership is required, game design wise, for protoss to deal with mass broodlord / infestor / corrupter/ queen for certain timings in end game PvZ (when you are just maxing out, before you have the econ to switch into carriers).. at this timing you can get a vortex to essentially save you from the massive brood lord timings.. if you can not get the vortex for that you will die. the best part is, once zergs reliably split their brood lords, it will not be a simple Vortex = win, it will be a vortex = reduced enough brood damage to allow him to survive. for people to be angry about the mothership staying, really shows a lack of game knowledge from the community or people are just ignorant. and about TvP, I've tested it against some high master friends on the HOTS custom map (was accurate for the last version of HOTS) and mech just destroys protoss. Any protoss unit composition can easily be recked by battlehellion/warhound/ghost/viking, and you can almost always be ahead of the protoss w/ this style due to how many hellions you have that can be dropped and kill massive amounts of probes.. mech is finally good against protoss and terrans are still complaining? wuuuuut? People are complaining because we care more about FUN, then EZ WIN. We miss the Mech style of BW with TANKS and SpiderMine VULTURES. Right now Blizzard has given us 1a Battle Hellions and 1a Warhounds. Both of which look silly, and boring to play.
Yeah, because everyone has completely figured out how to use all the new units and abilities to their fullest potential, already.
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On June 09 2012 12:19 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:18 GinDo wrote:On June 09 2012 12:09 -Exalt- wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:58 eden-san wrote:
And more importantly I do agree with people complaining about SC2 morphing into a WC3 kinda game with so many abilities around in each and every unit, kinda afraid that all those changes might entirely change the actual gameplay...
Brood gave the player a whole new set of units that required him to rethink his army comps and strategies without introducing any sort of game-breaking abilities, which allowed Blizzard to ensure that even if balance was broken only slight tweaks would be required to restore it.
HotS gives us game-breaking abilities in almost every unit, the kind of abilities that can end games directly... Impossible to truly balance imo and completely stupid. It also seems to dumb down early game by giving every one ways to scare off the opponent (PF-like add-on for Nexus, burrowed swarm host means you need detection before entering Z's base, and T... Well T).
A few good changes still:
- Hydras speed is greatly appreciated and not game breaking, merely renders them finally relevant end-game.
- Ultras charge is cool without being overpowered.
- Versatile, anti-biological hellions and anti-armored warhounds will make mech T an actually viable option in every match-up imo.
- Battlecruisers being buffed always is a welcomed change, even though a little underwhelming imo. I guess they made it to escape those widow mines LOLZ :D
- I actually find tempest to be an interesting unit that will add more depth to any engagement, will make positioning even more important (core mechanics of all Starcraft games).
Now for what I think sucks:
- Mothership core doesn't add more depth to the strategy of the game, I actually think it diminishes it.
- Oracle, from the video you can see how Z was pretty much denied most mining from a base thanks to that one Oracle, and then it got that vision spell (with no possibility to dispell?), and then the cloak... Jesus.
- Tanks were already not used much vP, useless vZ end-game... What of it now? :D
- Reaper healing, lulz, that suddenly make them so much more useful eh? I feel like they could remove the factory requirement on the speed upgrade now that queen range was buffed.
- Swarm host and Vipers... Effectively making Z a slower caster race... Really Blizzard? Really?! lol, swarm host is fucking cool man. I don't know why you think it sucks, a siege breaker unit? Zerg has been yearning for a before broodlord type of unit. I love it. mothership is required, game design wise, for protoss to deal with mass broodlord / infestor / corrupter/ queen for certain timings in end game PvZ (when you are just maxing out, before you have the econ to switch into carriers).. at this timing you can get a vortex to essentially save you from the massive brood lord timings.. if you can not get the vortex for that you will die. the best part is, once zergs reliably split their brood lords, it will not be a simple Vortex = win, it will be a vortex = reduced enough brood damage to allow him to survive. for people to be angry about the mothership staying, really shows a lack of game knowledge from the community or people are just ignorant. and about TvP, I've tested it against some high master friends on the HOTS custom map (was accurate for the last version of HOTS) and mech just destroys protoss. Any protoss unit composition can easily be recked by battlehellion/warhound/ghost/viking, and you can almost always be ahead of the protoss w/ this style due to how many hellions you have that can be dropped and kill massive amounts of probes.. mech is finally good against protoss and terrans are still complaining? wuuuuut? People are complaining because we care more about FUN, then EZ WIN. We miss the Mech style of BW with TANKS and SpiderMine VULTURES. Right now Blizzard has given us 1a Battle Hellions and 1a Warhounds. Both of which look silly, and boring to play. Yeah, because everyone has completely figured out how to use all the new units and abilities to their fullest potential, already.
Raven would like to talk to you.
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On June 09 2012 12:17 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:15 Kaw wrote:On June 09 2012 12:12 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:09 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:08 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 12:04 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 12:00 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:52 ImNightmare wrote:On June 09 2012 11:50 L0thar wrote:On June 09 2012 11:47 ImNightmare wrote:
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Because its a zerg expansion? Like WoL is a terrans game? I hope you do realise you have more units then zerg or protoss currently right? WoL's not Terran game, where the fuck that sentinent comes from? It's singleplayer is T centered, just as HotS will be Z centered. Multiplayer experience should be equally balanced and fun for all races, otherwise Blizz is failing big time. Because it is, blizzard already said Wing's of liberty is a TERRAN'S GAME. You have the most units now. Of course you won't have 5 more units. And in case you didn't count, HoTs allows zerg to have the same amount of units as terran. What are you talking about? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unitshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_UnitsNot counting specials like Mule, Changeling etc, I see 13 units on both sides. Yeah, I counted them, did you? marine,maruder,reaper, ghost, medivac, BC, thor, hellions, raven, banshee, tank, viking. = 12 Queen, lings, baneling, roach, hydra, ultralisk, infestor, corruptor, broodlord, mutalisk= 10. You sure you counted them? Aside from workers, you missed overlords and overseers. They are units too, you know? Not every unit can be a swiss army knife like queen or infestor. LOL, okay, then lets count your depot as units too. Of course, only the marine can. THose Depots sure can transport my units... Overlords count as Units fact. Fine, Command Centers can move and transport units so they should count too. The feared 5 SCV drop .. ( with upgrade for bunkerspace its 8 !!!!!!!!!!! )
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