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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.08:47 KST - Summary:Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) |
On June 07 2012 05:42 Roxor9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Sure. You must also know if spades really is a hacker then?
Hackers follow the bro code so he wouldn't say it even if he was sure of it, I have all of these sc2 hacks figured out and I can say for sure that Spades ____________________________(I used a hack to hide the key information, only other bros can see it).
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On June 07 2012 05:35 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:33 navy wrote:On June 07 2012 05:19 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 07 2012 05:10 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:00 Shiori wrote:
Has anyone been able to get (117.9, 73.1)? Here you go, on the second click on my first try to find the general area of the point I hit it. http://drop.sc/1926260:15 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=71.3 0:16 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=73.1 More people need to see this please. Re-quoting for great justice, more people need to see this. Just to summarize again, if he is queuing his units by clicking on the minimap, in a particular instance, the precision with which he orders them is not possible on normal monitors because of the minimum distance (a pixel) by which the cursor can move. Hence, unless he is using a gigantic monitor, he is hacking, or needs to explain how he did this. Dude, I just showed that shit is bogus, not only can I click to his accuracy or better, I can even hit that exact spot. Way to completely misinterpret my posts. Btw I'm on a 17.3" monitor at 1920x1080.
Indeed I did, my bad. I will wipe my previous post.
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On June 07 2012 05:41 Kitchen.Sink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:27 phatz wrote:
You guys realize you cannot perform any action while under cameralock, right? First, it has been implied (earlier in this thread) that Spades was using a more sophisticated hack that only a few have access too. Second, you can still cycle through your buildings and army to remain active during the camera locks.
Which hack allows cycling without first breaking cameralock?
And some random guy implying there is a hack that allows actions trough cameralock doesn't convince me. There's way too little actual facts in this thread.
The hack which first released auto worker production, auto blink, auto roach burrow, auto larvae, auto mule, auto keybinding of buildings+++ does NOT allow any action without breaking cameralock.
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On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do?
Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol
I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is.
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Lol I wish people would stop speculating on what the "hack" allows you to do without actually knowing what the hell it does, it's like "oh but i bet he has this uber hack that accounts for that inconsistency in my argument"
I don't know why i keep coming back to this thread, i bet it's because I find it funny when people who are wrong try to claim they are right
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On June 07 2012 05:47 jacksonlee wrote:
Lol I wish people would stop speculating on what the "hack" allows you to do without actually knowing what the hell it does, it's like "oh but i bet he has this uber hack that accounts for that inconsistency in my argument"
I don't know why i keep coming back to this thread, i bet it's because I find it funny when people who are wrong try to claim they are right
We're not speculating..
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On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is.
Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know.
Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack.
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On June 07 2012 05:46 phatz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:41 Kitchen.Sink wrote:On June 07 2012 05:27 phatz wrote:
You guys realize you cannot perform any action while under cameralock, right? First, it has been implied (earlier in this thread) that Spades was using a more sophisticated hack that only a few have access too. Second, you can still cycle through your buildings and army to remain active during the camera locks. Which hack allows cycling without first breaking cameralock? And some random guy implying there is a hack that allows actions trough cameralock doesn't convince me. There's way too little actual facts in this thread. The hack which first released auto worker production, auto blink, auto roach burrow, auto larvae, auto mule, auto keybinding of buildings+++ does NOT allow any action without breaking cameralock.
I could very well be wrong, but I did not think that unit and building cycling was considered as an action. Issuing a move, attack, or build command would be, but not cycling through the hotkeys.
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A few 10-20 pages back some dude "came out" with the "truth" of a private hack spreading among named GM players. So yes, this might be a private hack.
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On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack.
Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8.
The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack+ Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players
I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions.
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On June 07 2012 05:53 Kitchen.Sink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:46 phatz wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 Kitchen.Sink wrote:On June 07 2012 05:27 phatz wrote:
You guys realize you cannot perform any action while under cameralock, right? First, it has been implied (earlier in this thread) that Spades was using a more sophisticated hack that only a few have access too. Second, you can still cycle through your buildings and army to remain active during the camera locks. Which hack allows cycling without first breaking cameralock? And some random guy implying there is a hack that allows actions trough cameralock doesn't convince me. There's way too little actual facts in this thread. The hack which first released auto worker production, auto blink, auto roach burrow, auto larvae, auto mule, auto keybinding of buildings+++ does NOT allow any action without breaking cameralock. I could very well be wrong, but I did not think that unit and building cycling was considered as an action. Issuing a move, attack, or build command would be, but not cycling through the hotkeys.
Haven't got a 100% sure answer for this, ill investigate tomorrow.
Signing out for the evening
EDIT: Just wanted to add that any coder that adds an auto cameralock whenever you scroll over fog of war, would be stupid and will probably remove this feature as soon as they see this thread. It would be more of a handicap not being able to even scroll over small surfaces of fog without having the cameralock turn on, than it would be a benefit.
Would also like to add that im not taking a stance on whether spades actually hacks or not, im not here to be the judge of that, i just want to help straighten facts out, so that whatever judgement the community calls down upon him, is correct.
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On June 07 2012 05:57 phatz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:53 Kitchen.Sink wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 phatz wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 Kitchen.Sink wrote:On June 07 2012 05:27 phatz wrote:
You guys realize you cannot perform any action while under cameralock, right? First, it has been implied (earlier in this thread) that Spades was using a more sophisticated hack that only a few have access too. Second, you can still cycle through your buildings and army to remain active during the camera locks. Which hack allows cycling without first breaking cameralock? And some random guy implying there is a hack that allows actions trough cameralock doesn't convince me. There's way too little actual facts in this thread. The hack which first released auto worker production, auto blink, auto roach burrow, auto larvae, auto mule, auto keybinding of buildings+++ does NOT allow any action without breaking cameralock. I could very well be wrong, but I did not think that unit and building cycling was considered as an action. Issuing a move, attack, or build command would be, but not cycling through the hotkeys. Haven't got a 100% sure answer for this, ill investigate tomorrow. Signing out for the evening
Yeah, same, gonna go play Battlefield or something. Good luck guys and thanks for being someone capable of having a decent conversation with someone on this thread.
PM me if you want questions answered!
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On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack. Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8. The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack + Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players , for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions.
Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram.
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On June 07 2012 05:59 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack. Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8. The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack + Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players , for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions. Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram.
Yeah, I know of that, but that's just a maphack and perhaps some U.I. showing production or army value as well as resources, but I only mentioned the automated commands as an example to what could be definitive proof. Send me p/m's as of now, please, I'll be more than happy to help but I want to play Battlefield now 
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On June 07 2012 05:59 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack. Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8. The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack + Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players , for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions. Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram.
Correct. If you truelly want to defeat hacking, the community would need to gather around an external hack search, seperate from sc2. There were a few for cs 1.6 as i recall, but even with these, its still a game of cat and mouse between the hack developer and the antihack developers. And the hackers are usually a few steps ahead. And on top of that, private hacks are practically never caught if the developer doesn't screw up or miss an update in the antihack software.
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one possible way to tell whether someone is clicking on minimap or the real map is: each pixel on the minimap should map to a position on the real map, but as minimap is much smaller than the real map, all these positions on real map you could click via minimap is limited (a small subset)
if in the replay, we could find one click which can not be clicked via minimap (because no pixel in the minimap would translate to that real map coordinate), and the player is not looking at the real map, hack must be used
(one problem is: if the author of the hack actually had foreseen this possible detection method, they could code the hack so that when camera lock is on, all clicks on FOW would be in these minimap clickable subset)
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On June 07 2012 06:01 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 05:59 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack. Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8. The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack + Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players , for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions. Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram. Yeah, I know of that, but that's just a maphack and perhaps some U.I. showing production or army value as well as resources, but I only mentioned the automated commands as an example to what could be definitive proof. Send me p/m's as of now, please, I'll be more than happy to help but I want to play Battlefield now
I'm not actually looking for maphack signatures lol, I think you misunderstand. I'm just interested in trying to disprove any signatures people think they found, for the argument/defense.
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On June 07 2012 06:03 liuspider wrote:
one possible way to tell whether someone is clicking on minimap or the real map is: each pixel on the minimap should map to a position on the real map, but as minimap is much smaller than the real map, all these positions on real map you could click via minimap is limited (a small subset)
if in the replay, we could find one click which can not be clicked via minimap (because no pixel in the minimap would translate to that real map coordinate), and the player is not looking at the real map, hack must be used
(one problem is: if the author of the hack actually had foreseen this possible detection method, they could code the hack so that when camera lock is on, all clicks on FOW would be in these minimap clickable subset)
Well that's what people have been saying these last couple of pages, but yeah it appears to be problematic.
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On June 07 2012 06:03 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 06:01 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:59 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.
How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this. I'm familiar with this particular hack. Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do? Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +I don't actually use hacks for games, lol I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is. Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know. Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack. Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8. The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack + Show Spoiler +on a Starter Edition, never used on other players , for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions. Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram. Yeah, I know of that, but that's just a maphack and perhaps some U.I. showing production or army value as well as resources, but I only mentioned the automated commands as an example to what could be definitive proof. Send me p/m's as of now, please, I'll be more than happy to help but I want to play Battlefield now I'm not actually looking for maphack signatures lol, I think you misunderstand. I'm just interested in trying to disprove any signatures people think they found, for the argument/defense.
Then we're on the same side.
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