• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:44
CEST 06:44
KST 13:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202548RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread RSL Season 1 - Final Week The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [Update] ShieldBattery: 1v1 Fastest Support! Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series ASL20 Preliminary Maps BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 642 users

[?] Spades hacking? - Page 255

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 253 254 255 256 257 298 Next
07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:07:31
June 06 2012 21:06 GMT
#5081
On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 05:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:26 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:22 artanis2 wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:20 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:18 revel8 wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:15 StarStrider wrote:
So what I'm gathering is that, while at first this method seemed to allow us to determine if he clicked with minimap, now it is being shown to be inconclusive?


No. I think it means that that particular click location was possible via the mini-map and not incriminating. I think the principle still stands that Spades may have made a click that is impossible via the mini-map. The trick is finding such an incriminating click.


I'm lost - what did he do that is impossible via the mini-map, again?


The idea was that some of his clicks made "via minimap" or "during camera lock" were too close together to have been made by clicking on the minimap. As if he were actually clicking on the terrain. It has been debunked so far, but there might be another way to analyze it.


But you cannot do anything during Camera Lock, it prevents the user from doing anything apart from moving around with his or her screen.

+ Show Spoiler +
If that's your point, then I'm still missing something, haha.


Wait, are we talking about the Camera Lock included in the hack, or in the Replay Menu?

The only way to prove he wasn't using Camera Lock would be him using the minimap. If they prove the clicks aren't valid via the minimap, it proves he is using Camera Lock.

Quite frankly its pointless imo. Why would Spades play via the minimap in his showmatch vs Lucifron but in practice and on stream, he always goes through the Fog of War? Doesn't make sense, unless he was using Camera Lock to hide him looking into Fog of War because he is maphacking.


He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock. And I don't know why he would, a lot of the shit he does, doesn't make sense.


People aren't trying to figure out whether he actually issues minimap commands, they are trying to figure out if minimap command can or can not be an explanation for the behavior in the current replay. If they can not then he is certainly map hacking. If this technique did work it could also be automated which would be nice, as you can could scan a huge library of replays to find offenders.

One thing for the community could do is to save replays for ALL online tournaments and tons of random ladder games in a giant database. If at any point in a future a reliable way to detect map hackers is discovered then players can be caught with past games.

That's how it happened in BW and tons of players got busted. It means even if your hack is undetectable at the moment you risk being caught in the future.
TheMajorNL
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
June 06 2012 21:07 GMT
#5082
On June 07 2012 06:03 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:01 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:59 EtherealDeath wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:55 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:52 EtherealDeath wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:46 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:43 StarStrider wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:41 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:
On June 07 2012 05:33 toiletCAT wrote:

He cannot issue commands on the minimap during Camera Lock.


How do you know this good sir? Unless you are very familiar with every possible hack and how it works then you can't make definitive statements like this.


I'm familiar with this particular hack.


Is there a possibility that he isn't using the particular hack that you are familiar with? One that can do something that the one you're familiar with doesn't do?


Not unless it's a private hack that I don't know of + Show Spoiler +
I don't actually use hacks for games, lol


I know one of the contributors who were in the development of this particular hack, it's been undetected for 3 seasons straight, it used to be a private hack but it was released to the public. It's very sophisticated and it's the only "Warden-proof" hack on the internet that is not a private hack, for StarCraft 2, that is.


Basically what he's saying is that Spades must be using (not named). How he came to this conclusion I do not know.

Although, even a 30 second search tells me (not named) is not the only publicly available hack.. Although it has been undetected for many months now, so it fits his description of the hack.


Well, there are other public hacks available, but they're not safe since season 7/8.

The only reason I know of this is because I've had first hand experience with the hack+ Show Spoiler +
on a Starter Edition, never used on other players
, for educational purposes. I code A.I. in Flash for school/sparetime(homework)

I don't know any technical stuff about the part of the maphack that reveals Fog of War, because that's not really my area, but I know a bit of the automated actions.


Everything other than the camera lock can be done purely passively, i.e. externally. These hacks are in theory undetectable by Blizzard because there is a law preventing them from scanning your general memory for it, and they have no effect internally so Warden can't find it amongst SC2's ram.


Yeah, I know of that, but that's just a maphack and perhaps some U.I. showing production or army value as well as resources, but I only mentioned the automated commands as an example to what could be definitive proof. Send me p/m's as of now, please, I'll be more than happy to help but I want to play Battlefield now


I'm not actually looking for maphack signatures lol, I think you misunderstand. I'm just interested in trying to disprove any signatures people think they found, for the argument/defense.


We need more people like you; thanks for trying to help the community.
phatz
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway17 Posts
June 06 2012 21:07 GMT
#5083
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.
SonataSC
Profile Joined June 2012
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:09:10
June 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#5084
--- Nuked ---
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
June 06 2012 21:09 GMT
#5085
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]


LOL. Why in the hell should we believe a random unverifiable jpg with the name Brian Francis in it is him?

Fail troll is fail
2/10
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
June 06 2012 21:09 GMT
#5086
On June 07 2012 06:08 SonataSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:07 phatz wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.

I can back it up with the original source and would be willing to disclose how I got this to any TL mod privately.
EDIT: edited the original post as it looks like a skype convo not facebook convo.


Please do back it up. I would love for this to be confirmed real.
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
SonataSC
Profile Joined June 2012
3 Posts
June 06 2012 21:10 GMT
#5087
--- Nuked ---
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
June 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#5088
On June 07 2012 06:10 SonataSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:09 StarStrider wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:08 SonataSC wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:07 phatz wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.

I can back it up with the original source and would be willing to disclose how I got this to any TL mod privately.
EDIT: edited the original post as it looks like a skype convo not facebook convo.


Please do back it up. I would love for this to be confirmed real.

Not gonna do it publically because there are two other people in that convo whose identities I have no real reason to reveal to the general masses.


I understand. But please do it to the TL mods. They can deliberate then put a closing thought at the top of the thread.
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#5089
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

EDIT: It's from Skype not facebook.


This sounds like something taken out of context that is a joking stab at (hack not named), rather than something said seriously....

Entire log plz or no go.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:16:23
June 06 2012 21:12 GMT
#5090
On June 07 2012 06:09 StarStrider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:08 SonataSC wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:07 phatz wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.

I can back it up with the original source and would be willing to disclose how I got this to any TL mod privately.
EDIT: edited the original post as it looks like a skype convo not facebook convo.


Please do back it up. I would love for this to be confirmed real.


Nevermind.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#5091
On June 07 2012 06:10 SonataSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:09 StarStrider wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:08 SonataSC wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:07 phatz wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.

I can back it up with the original source and would be willing to disclose how I got this to any TL mod privately.
EDIT: edited the original post as it looks like a skype convo not facebook convo.


Please do back it up. I would love for this to be confirmed real.

Not gonna do it publically because there are two other people in that convo whose identities I have no real reason to reveal to the general masses.


You can just black out anything that would give away their identity. Spades would already know from what you've posted already, so that wouldn't change anything.
TheMajorNL
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
June 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#5092
Even if that conversation is real, it does not prove a thing. People often have conversations of indifferent nature with friends after being accused, whether guilty or not guilty.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
June 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#5093
On June 07 2012 06:08 SonataSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:07 phatz wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

Now THAT is something. The name checks out, but i don't know how to reliably check for photoshopping or stuff.

I can back it up with the original source and would be willing to disclose how I got this to any TL mod privately.
EDIT: edited the original post as it looks like a skype convo not facebook convo.

GG no re, Spades.

His reaction to being found out was too suspicious anyways. If I were a progamer accused of maphacking I would be taking a lot more time to prove myself innocent, or at least more time to rage.
JustTray
Profile Joined May 2011
127 Posts
June 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#5094
The thread is unwinding. It's only a matter of time before he comes back and admits to the hacking now... I promise he's monitoring this thread, waiting to see if anyone can prove him a hacker before he admits it.

The screenshot only supports this, despite the fact that on it's own I'm not sure how it's definitive proof.
Spades
Profile Joined September 2010
United States249 Posts
June 06 2012 21:15 GMT
#5095
On June 07 2012 06:11 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

EDIT: It's from Skype not facebook.


This sounds like something taken out of context that is a joking stab at (hack not named), rather than something said seriously....

Entire log plz or no go.


Here is more of the log, I dont know who this is, but apparently hes in a skype chat with me and like 20 other people. He's taking something out of context and being stupid.

[4:27:01 PM] Brian Francis: you saw they posted some new way
[4:27:04 PM] Brian Francis: of saying its 100% proof
[4:27:09 PM] Brian Francis: then it got proved wrong l ike a page later
[4:27:17 PM] Brian Francis: how catz said my clicks were too precise
[4:27:18 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:27:27 PM] Michael Francis: catz is an idiot
[4:27:33 PM] Brian Francis: everything he used as solid evidence
[4:27:34 PM] Michael Francis: precisely
[4:27:35 PM] Daltan Beach: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/uoc3a/conclusive_proof_that_spades_was_hacking/
[4:27:36 PM] Brian Francis: has been proven wrong
[4:27:38 PM] Daltan Beach: funniest shit ever
[4:27:56 PM] Daltan Beach: Post a picture of yourself reading a map
[4:27:59 PM] Brian Francis: yeah he posted that on TL.net
[4:28:00 PM] Daltan Beach: or atleast find one that i can post
[4:28:02 PM] Brian Francis: and it was proven wrong
[4:28:15 PM] Daltan Beach: If you give me a picture of you reading a map
[4:28:16 PM] Daltan Beach: or using a globe
[4:28:23 PM] Daltan Beach: Ill cry
[4:28:40 PM] Daltan Beach: [–]NeoDestiny 148 points 51 minutes ago
This is 100% conclusive. Really smart of the OP.
Here's the laymen's version if you're having trouble understanding -
Say you have a "real map" that is 1000x1000, and a "minimap" that is 100x100. This means that all of your clicks on the minimap are essentially multiplied by 10 to determine where they would fall on the real map. ie: clicking on 25x50 on the minimap would correspond to 250x500 on the real map, 46x89 would correspond to 460x890 on the real map, etc...etc...
According to Spades, he was clicking on the minimap to perform a lot of actions instead of scrolling into the fog of war to perform those same actions. The problem is that, during the replay, Spades screen is locked so that he must be clicking the minimap, but the clicks he's making are too precise to come from the minimap. Using our previous example, Spades is essentially claiming to be clicking a point like 252x582 on the minimap, which is impossible, as the closest we could get to that point is 25x58 or 26x59 on our minimap. Given the dimensions of the minimap, he is clicking with a precision that is impossible on the real map.
Clicks with that precision on the real map while the screen is locked means that one can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Spades is maphacking.
[4:29:21 PM] Michael Francis: just take a picture of a globe next to your computer screen
[4:29:31 PM] Daltan Beach: thats perfect
[4:29:39 PM] Daltan Beach: thx spades' brother
[4:29:40 PM] Brian Francis: yeah then people on tl proved u can easily click those spots
[4:29:43 PM] Brian Francis: using minimap
[4:29:46 PM] Michael Francis: lol
[4:29:50 PM] Tito Santiago: rofl
[4:30:04 PM] Brian Francis: i dont own a globe
[4:30:11 PM] Michael Francis: how do i post on reddit
[4:30:14 PM] Michael Francis: "myth busted"
[4:30:25 PM] Tito Santiago: go find one
[4:30:34 PM] Tito Santiago: or like
[4:30:36 PM] Tito Santiago: stream
[4:30:44 PM] Tito Santiago: and while streaming open a map of the world on google maps
[4:30:50 PM] Daltan Beach: Let's accuse some pro of hacking
[4:30:53 PM] Daltan Beach: with no evidence
[4:30:54 PM] Tito Santiago: Lol
[4:30:57 PM] Daltan Beach: it'll be great
[4:31:02 PM] Daltan Beach: who has a lot of replays out
[4:31:05 PM] Daltan Beach: and we dont like
[4:31:27 PM] Michael Francis: lets accuse idra
[4:31:29 PM] Tito Santiago: hey daltan
[4:31:30 PM] Michael Francis: or catz
[4:31:33 PM] Tito Santiago: take that picture of catz
[4:31:39 PM] Tito Santiago: the judge one
[4:31:40 PM] Tito Santiago: and put
[4:31:53 PM] Michael Francis: i like how catz somehow knew all this information about the 'hack' mechanics
[4:31:54 PM] Tito Santiago: "Can't find a single note while singing, thinks he can find a hacker"
[4:31:59 PM] Tito Santiago: and post it on something
[4:31:59 PM] Michael Francis: like, oh if you right click into fog
[4:32:03 PM] Michael Francis: it doesn't lock
[4:32:15 PM] Michael Francis: but when your scrolling into the fog, shouldn't it lock before u ahve a chance to right click
[4:32:20 PM] Michael Francis: gg
[4:32:26 PM] Brian Francis: people have small brains
[4:32:32 PM] Tito Santiago: ^
[4:32:45 PM] Brian Francis: basically everything the hack does
[4:32:50 PM] Brian Francis: they cant prove i did any of it
[4:32:54 PM] Brian Francis: nor can they prove its possible
[4:33:01 PM] Brian Francis: because i do actions in these "camera lock" times
[4:33:05 PM] Michael Francis: basically your the best hacker in the world
[4:33:08 PM] Michael Francis: kids need to respect
[4:33:08 PM] Brian Francis: so people say I must have made my own private supe rhack
[4:33:12 PM] Tito Santiago: LOL
[4:33:12 PM] Brian Francis: or something
[4:33:19 PM] Michael Francis: undetectable
[4:33:21 PM] Brian Francis: they think this is swordfish
[4:33:23 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:33:31 PM] Michael Francis: since your a computer programmer
[4:33:42 PM] Tito Santiago: hahahah
[4:34:09 PM] Daltan Beach: terran 3/15 or some shit in GSL
[4:34:16 PM] Daltan Beach: fucking IMBA
[4:35:44 PM] Tito Santiago: lol
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
June 06 2012 21:16 GMT
#5096
On June 07 2012 06:13 TheMajorNL wrote:
Even if that conversation is real, it does not prove a thing. People often have conversations of indifferent nature with friends after being accused, whether guilty or not guilty.



Yeah. And after rereading it a couple times it sounds like he's talking about it as if rolling his eyes you know? Like he's being facetious when he says 'like your a computer programmer hahahah' and it sounds like Brian is incredulous that people would think he is capable of making his own private super hack that can do more than the one he is describing.

Of course, this can also just be the guilty party trying to make it seem like a big joke to a friend

Bottom line, this is irrelevant to this thread and shouldn't be given much thought.
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
lodeet
Profile Joined September 2011
United States147 Posts
June 06 2012 21:17 GMT
#5097
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

EDIT: It's from Skype not facebook.



Either im retarded or you all are illiterate because he doesn't admit to hacking in this convo. You need to post the full log cause right now it looks like he is commenting on what other people are speculating about him.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:24:20
June 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#5098
Edit: shit, I actually got it the other way around.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:18:41
June 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#5099
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 07 2012 06:15 Spades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:11 EtherealDeath wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote:
I have 100% proof.

http://imgur.com/urSlB

This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this.

[image loading]

EDIT: It's from Skype not facebook.


This sounds like something taken out of context that is a joking stab at (hack not named), rather than something said seriously....

Entire log plz or no go.


Here is more of the log, I dont know who this is, but apparently hes in a skype chat with me and like 20 other people. He's taking something out of context and being stupid.

[4:27:01 PM] Brian Francis: you saw they posted some new way
[4:27:04 PM] Brian Francis: of saying its 100% proof
[4:27:09 PM] Brian Francis: then it got proved wrong l ike a page later
[4:27:17 PM] Brian Francis: how catz said my clicks were too precise
[4:27:18 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:27:27 PM] Michael Francis: catz is an idiot
[4:27:33 PM] Brian Francis: everything he used as solid evidence
[4:27:34 PM] Michael Francis: precisely
[4:27:35 PM] Daltan Beach: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/uoc3a/conclusive_proof_that_spades_was_hacking/
[4:27:36 PM] Brian Francis: has been proven wrong
[4:27:38 PM] Daltan Beach: funniest shit ever
[4:27:56 PM] Daltan Beach: Post a picture of yourself reading a map
[4:27:59 PM] Brian Francis: yeah he posted that on TL.net
[4:28:00 PM] Daltan Beach: or atleast find one that i can post
[4:28:02 PM] Brian Francis: and it was proven wrong
[4:28:15 PM] Daltan Beach: If you give me a picture of you reading a map
[4:28:16 PM] Daltan Beach: or using a globe
[4:28:23 PM] Daltan Beach: Ill cry
[4:28:40 PM] Daltan Beach: [–]NeoDestiny 148 points 51 minutes ago
This is 100% conclusive. Really smart of the OP.
Here's the laymen's version if you're having trouble understanding -
Say you have a "real map" that is 1000x1000, and a "minimap" that is 100x100. This means that all of your clicks on the minimap are essentially multiplied by 10 to determine where they would fall on the real map. ie: clicking on 25x50 on the minimap would correspond to 250x500 on the real map, 46x89 would correspond to 460x890 on the real map, etc...etc...
According to Spades, he was clicking on the minimap to perform a lot of actions instead of scrolling into the fog of war to perform those same actions. The problem is that, during the replay, Spades screen is locked so that he must be clicking the minimap, but the clicks he's making are too precise to come from the minimap. Using our previous example, Spades is essentially claiming to be clicking a point like 252x582 on the minimap, which is impossible, as the closest we could get to that point is 25x58 or 26x59 on our minimap. Given the dimensions of the minimap, he is clicking with a precision that is impossible on the real map.
Clicks with that precision on the real map while the screen is locked means that one can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Spades is maphacking.
[4:29:21 PM] Michael Francis: just take a picture of a globe next to your computer screen
[4:29:31 PM] Daltan Beach: thats perfect
[4:29:39 PM] Daltan Beach: thx spades' brother
[4:29:40 PM] Brian Francis: yeah then people on tl proved u can easily click those spots
[4:29:43 PM] Brian Francis: using minimap
[4:29:46 PM] Michael Francis: lol
[4:29:50 PM] Tito Santiago: rofl
[4:30:04 PM] Brian Francis: i dont own a globe
[4:30:11 PM] Michael Francis: how do i post on reddit
[4:30:14 PM] Michael Francis: "myth busted"
[4:30:25 PM] Tito Santiago: go find one
[4:30:34 PM] Tito Santiago: or like
[4:30:36 PM] Tito Santiago: stream
[4:30:44 PM] Tito Santiago: and while streaming open a map of the world on google maps
[4:30:50 PM] Daltan Beach: Let's accuse some pro of hacking
[4:30:53 PM] Daltan Beach: with no evidence
[4:30:54 PM] Tito Santiago: Lol
[4:30:57 PM] Daltan Beach: it'll be great
[4:31:02 PM] Daltan Beach: who has a lot of replays out
[4:31:05 PM] Daltan Beach: and we dont like
[4:31:27 PM] Michael Francis: lets accuse idra
[4:31:29 PM] Tito Santiago: hey daltan
[4:31:30 PM] Michael Francis: or catz
[4:31:33 PM] Tito Santiago: take that picture of catz
[4:31:39 PM] Tito Santiago: the judge one
[4:31:40 PM] Tito Santiago: and put
[4:31:53 PM] Michael Francis: i like how catz somehow knew all this information about the 'hack' mechanics
[4:31:54 PM] Tito Santiago: "Can't find a single note while singing, thinks he can find a hacker"
[4:31:59 PM] Tito Santiago: and post it on something
[4:31:59 PM] Michael Francis: like, oh if you right click into fog
[4:32:03 PM] Michael Francis: it doesn't lock
[4:32:15 PM] Michael Francis: but when your scrolling into the fog, shouldn't it lock before u ahve a chance to right click
[4:32:20 PM] Michael Francis: gg
[4:32:26 PM] Brian Francis: people have small brains
[4:32:32 PM] Tito Santiago: ^
[4:32:45 PM] Brian Francis: basically everything the hack does
[4:32:50 PM] Brian Francis: they cant prove i did any of it
[4:32:54 PM] Brian Francis: nor can they prove its possible
[4:33:01 PM] Brian Francis: because i do actions in these "camera lock" times
[4:33:05 PM] Michael Francis: basically your the best hacker in the world
[4:33:08 PM] Michael Francis: kids need to respect
[4:33:08 PM] Brian Francis: so people say I must have made my own private supe rhack
[4:33:12 PM] Tito Santiago: LOL
[4:33:12 PM] Brian Francis: or something
[4:33:19 PM] Michael Francis: undetectable
[4:33:21 PM] Brian Francis: they think this is swordfish
[4:33:23 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:33:31 PM] Michael Francis: since your a computer programmer
[4:33:42 PM] Tito Santiago: hahahah
[4:34:09 PM] Daltan Beach: terran 3/15 or some shit in GSL
[4:34:16 PM] Daltan Beach: fucking IMBA
[4:35:44 PM] Tito Santiago: lol

Now THAT sounds even more suspicious than before.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 21:22:49
June 06 2012 21:19 GMT
#5100
On June 07 2012 06:18 toiletCAT wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
This picture has been digitally edited to show "Brian Francis"

[image loading]


As you can see, the name "Brian Francis" has been DIGITALLY IMPLIMENTED onto the original screenshot.

[image loading]


Metadata;

+ Show Spoiler +

JFIF
JFIF Version 1.01
Resolution Unit None
X Resolution 1
Y Resolution 1
ICC_Profile
Profile CMM Type lcms
Profile Version 2.1.0
Profile Class Display Device Profile
Color Space Data RGB
Profile Connection Space XYZ
Profile Date Time 2012:01:25 03:41:57
Profile File Signature acsp
Primary Platform Apple Computer Inc.
CMM Flags Not Embedded, Independent

Device Manufacturer
Device Model
Device Attributes Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Rendering Intent Perceptual
Connection Space Illuminant 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator lcms
Profile ID 0
Profile Description c2
Profile Copyright FB
Media White Point 0.9642 1 0.82491
Media Black Point 0.01205 0.0125 0.01031
Red Matrix Column 0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
Green Matrix Column 0.38515 0.71687 0.09708
Blue Matrix Column 0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
Red Tone Reproduction Curve (Binary data 64 bytes)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve (Binary data 64 bytes)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve (Binary data 64 bytes)

Can you put the metadeta in the layman's terms?
Prev 1 253 254 255 256 257 298 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft564
StarCraft: Brood War
Light 3123
Leta 704
ggaemo 282
Noble 99
Sharp 60
Icarus 4
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 811
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1044
Other Games
summit1g12032
hungrybox314
ViBE180
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1820
BasetradeTV55
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 69
• practicex 45
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki29
• Diggity4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra2538
• Stunt273
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
5h 16m
Reynor vs Zoun
Solar vs SHIN
Classic vs ShoWTimE
Cure vs Rogue
Esports World Cup
1d 6h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.