EPTpost of objective proof of Spades guilt
posts claiming Spades is 100% guilty
post with proof that the previous proof is not correct
posts claiming Spades is guilty anyway
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[?] Spades hacking? - Page 257
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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hinnolinn
212 Posts
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Tropical Bob
United States127 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:05 SonataSC wrote: I have 100% proof. http://imgur.com/urSlB This is from his facebook. I made this account just to post this. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/urSlB.jpg) EDIT: It's from Skype not facebook. Someone from the Skype chat posted a picture on Facebook. This guy took it off and is merely trying to fuel the flames for no real reason other than to watch Spades burn. | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:19 Spades wrote: how so? we are laughing at how stupid this whole situation is, and all the "evidence" gets debunked shortly after. I'm in a chat with 20 people, including pro gamers. IF YOU CANT TELL, WE ARE ROLLING OUR EYES AND JOKING ABOUT THIS. I AM NOT A HACKER CAPABLE OF HACKING THE PENTAGON OR CREATING UNSTOPPABLE HACKS, I AM NOT A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER Oh, wow, I just found out you are Brian Francis. I thought you got someone else to write the program for a sec there  Also, your reaction to the entire thing is soooo suspicious. I would've raged at everyone in sight if this happened to me, but you've only done that to a couple people. Can you address that? I don't want to call you out with certainty until I can be 110% sure. | ||
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JustTray
127 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:30 hinnolinn wrote: This thread delivers: post of objective proof of Spades guilt posts claiming Spades is 100% guilty post with proof that the previous proof is not correct posts claiming Spades is guilty anyway repeat Which of the dudes in that chat are you? There's no doubt you're one of his cronies at this point. He has them in this thread, as is evidenced by the chat conversations outlining such. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
I think this is known information however at least I hope so. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:31 Antylamon wrote: Oh, wow, I just found out you are Brian Francis. I thought you got someone else to write the program for a sec there Also, your reaction to the entire thing is soooo suspicious. I would've raged at everyone in sight if this happened to me, but you've only done that to a couple people. Can you address that? I don't want to call you out with certainty until I can be 110% sure. Let's try to not get into the whole "reading into someone's internet typing reactions" thing. Not really reliable. Stick to hard evidence plz. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:30 StarStrider wrote: You saw the errors in it you wanted to see, because making it look shooped just puts another tick next to your agenda's column. Now you're backpeddling and blaming a motivated choice on being too sleepy and not being familiar enough with software. I no longer trust your opinion, sorry. You can't lol my bad your way out of that. i know right. people can't make mistakes. the picture is "proven" to be real but taken out of context. that conversation is useless. this doesnt mean he is guilty, or innocent. 0 information gained. and please ip ban the image poster. | ||
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hinnolinn
212 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:30 StarStrider wrote: You saw the errors in it you wanted to see, because making it look shooped just puts another tick next to your agenda's column. Now you're backpeddling and blaming a motivated choice on being too sleepy and not being familiar enough with software. I no longer trust your opinion, sorry. You can't lol my bad your way out of that. Seriously, you have been seeing what you want to see in every proof posted in this thread and then when it's been disproved you still call him a hacker, and you accuse another person of trying to "lol my bad" out of something? On June 07 2012 04:32 StarStrider wrote: Thanks for finally breaking the case tonycheese. You win a billion esports dollars this day. /thread. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
There are people who honestly want to get to the bottom of this on both sides of the argument. Spades, regardless of how it seems, many people are actually trying to figure this out objectively and are not automatically demonizing you off the cuff without proving it to themselves and others first, alright bro? | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:32 EtherealDeath wrote: Let's try to not get into the whole "reading into someone's internet typing reactions" thing. Not really reliable. Stick to hard evidence plz. That's why I want an explanation about the reaction. I don't know him personally and I've never even seen him irl, so I can't know anything unless I ask. | ||
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:31 Antylamon wrote: Oh, wow, I just found out you are Brian Francis. I thought you got someone else to write the program for a sec there Also, your reaction to the entire thing is soooo suspicious. I would've raged at everyone in sight if this happened to me, but you've only done that to a couple people. Can you address that? I don't want to call you out with certainty until I can be 110% sure. We are clearly joking around here. And i know people are proving/disproving the technical debates, and they are keeping me updated with PM's. I'm not reading the whole thread and waiting, im practicing for Anahiem. Anyone who knows me knows that I have thick skin, and I have no problem joking around and being light about this with friends. It's a very serious matter, but I can still have a laugh with friends about things we find funny. | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
The whole thread, not the chat. | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:19 Spades wrote: how so? we are laughing at how stupid this whole situation is, and all the "evidence" gets debunked shortly after. I'm in a chat with 20 people, including pro gamers. IF YOU CANT TELL, WE ARE ROLLING OUR EYES AND JOKING ABOUT THIS. I AM NOT A HACKER CAPABLE OF HACKING THE PENTAGON OR CREATING UNSTOPPABLE HACKS, I AM NOT A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER Do you really think you should be joking about this? Why don't you try and exonerate yourself? Do you play using the minimap to perform scans? How do you explain using a scouting worker and never once looking at what it subsequently scouted in the base? Why are you not fighting hard for your career? Why not seek to specifically address the suspicious incidents in certain games that have been discussed in this thread? Why did you leave your team? If you were innocent, why part ways with them? By not fighting to clear your reputation, it will never be cleared. So laughing at this situation is not exactly helping you. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
We are clearly trying to find objectively whether you are guilty or innocent.* oh... you meant in the chat. my bad. but we are on your side if you are innocent. so trying to find ways to detect and get busted is good for you. You dont want this thread closed and no official results. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:33 hinnolinn wrote: Seriously, you have been seeing what you want to see in every proof posted in this thread and then when it's been disproved you still call him a hacker, and you accuse another person of trying "lol my bad" of something? I believed a theory before it had been proven correct. He set out to prove a false hypothesis. I think they are two different things. I was wrong to run with the tonycheese theory that early. I apologize if my acceptance of the theory led others to accept it too early. However I dont think my opinion really matters that highly. | ||
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:35 Reptilia wrote: We are clearly trying to find objectively whether you are guilty or innocent.* Theres maybe 10 people objectively finding if I am guilty or innocent, I am not naive enough to think most of this is objective. I appreciate the objective people, and I hope they find results, one way or the other. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:35 revel8 wrote: Do you really think you should be joking about this? Why don't you try and exonerate yourself? Do you play using the minimap to perform scans? How do you explain using a scouting worker and never once looking at what it subsequently scouted in the base? Why are you not fighting hard for your career? Why not seek to specifically address the suspicious incidents in certain games that have been discussed in this thread? Why did you leave your team? If you were innocent, why part ways with them? By not fighting to clear your reputation, it will never be cleared. So laughing at this situation is not exactly helping you. Dude it was what he thought was a private chat with friends that wouldn't end up on teamliquid. People tend to joke around and shit in those. Hell, I was talking to a friend about this yesterday and one of the first things he said was something like "lol this drama, hey I should accuse you anonymously of being a maphacker, let's get some replays together that would support it." | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:35 toiletCAT wrote: Well, I couldn't care less if Spades is hacking or not, I'm in this to help stop the community from jumping to conclusions on very serious topics. Seems like you're just one of his friends that registered yesterday to help defend him. man this shit is good. | ||
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