EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 230
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On June 06 2012 18:28 ceaRshaf wrote: The fact that he could have staged all his mistakes proves nothing. It's a point that is made to accuse a hacker even if his decision making doesn't look like the ones of hackers. So that action of not defending his 3rd is not part of a conspiracy when deciding if he is hacking but it's proof that he may be not hacking. If you analyze his replays with the mindset "oh, every mistake he makes is intentional just not to be obvious that he is hacking" then we might as well call him a hacker and be done with it. It's like you claim the killer of a woman is her husband and I tell you "but he looked like he really loved her" and you tell me "lol, but he could have faked that so hard and easy". That's just bs. We can't accuse people on stuff like this. What if this hypothetical person had been convicted previously of murdering his last wife? | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Furthermore, to those looking for conclusive proof and to not do anything otherwise, you are saying 'feel free to use production tab hack and minimap hack and drop ping, because there is zero way to prove any of these.' It's actually quite worrying how people aren't taking this seriously, or taking a very liberal approach to the matter. The evidence is overwhelming, but not conclusive, but that should be enough. To put history into perspective, all the people in BW who had extremely hacky play, and who vehemently defended themselves in the matter that spades did (and is doing) turned out to be guilty. Those like Haypro, who had a hack on unintentionally, and self confessed this, didn't play the victim, took the punishment for the good of the scene and returned with zero reputation tarnish. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:05 Micket wrote: Athletes who haven't won shit have been banned from competition for taking performing enhancing drugs. If the lawyer said 'if my client had taken drugs, he would have won. Therefore, he is clean,' he would be laughed out of the court room. Furthermore, to those looking for conclusive proof and to not do anything otherwise, you are saying 'feel free to use production tab hack and minimap hack and drop ping, because there is zero way to prove any of these.' It's actually quite worrying how people aren't taking this seriously, or taking a very liberal approach to the matter. The evidence is overwhelming, but not conclusive, but that should be enough. To put history into perspective, all the people in BW who had extremely hacky play, and who vehemently defended themselves in the matter that spades did (and is doing) turned out to be guilty. Those like Haypro, who had a hack on unintentionally, and self confessed this, didn't play the victim, took the punishment for the good of the scene and returned with zero reputation tarnish. A handful of games in a row of not clicking enemy units was proof of hacks in BW. Going from looking at fog prior to a scan every game for 10+ years to never looking at fog in series that matter is chalked up to luck in sc2. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:26 starcraft911 wrote: A handful of games in a row of not clicking enemy units was proof of hacks in BW. Going from looking at fog prior to a scan every game for 10+ years to never looking at fog in series that matter is chalked up to luck in sc2. This is a pretty funny comparison, as it is completely true. I do worry that Blizzard won't be as effective as they should be in antihack updating and whatnot; the ability for the community to develop its own antihacks (such as all of the launchers used for leagues in BW) makes me feel a lot more comfortable. Unfortunately, it does not appear that that can be the case whatsoever in SC2. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O replay: http://drop.sc/130143 | ||
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Sepi
Finland231 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:38 Alejandrisha wrote: here's a snippet from the rep i uploaded. part 2 will show what happens right after which is just as, if not more questionable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMf4b4yjXM&feature=youtu.be note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O Great find! What raises the question for me is, that WHY would he move his army JUST on the right time to his 4th when he was defending his nat and 3rd. Once again very fishy. Could be concidence, but moving the WHOLE army JUST the right time seems really suspicious. Your exactly right that cam lock could also take place in that occasion. [Edit.] And for "right time" i mean just a bit beforehand. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:38 Alejandrisha wrote: here's a snippet from the rep i uploaded. part 2 will show what happens right after which is just as, if not more questionable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMf4b4yjXM&feature=youtu.be note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O It doesn't get anymore conclusive than that. That proves 100 percent that his camera is locked no? (And also that he is pre moving towards an invisible warp prism) | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:38 Alejandrisha wrote: here's a snippet from the rep i uploaded. part 2 will show what happens right after which is just as, if not more questionable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMf4b4yjXM&feature=youtu.be note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O HAHAHA, on top of everything else this is just soooooooooo funny. Thanks for posting, had a good laugh. | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Greenwizard
48 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:47 Neurosis wrote: It doesn't get anymore conclusive than that. That proves 100 percent that his camera is locked no? (And also that he is pre moving towards an invisible warp prism) Ok if you mean the less then 2 sec or the moment he adds all his army to ctrl 1 ? Because that's what i see if i watch and try to be fair. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:56 samthesaluki wrote: the fact the guy jumped the replay and didnt have player cam turned on you mean yeah camera is locked because he has it on his own camera not players idiot. It's the fact that he's pre-clicking his army there before the warp prism comes into vision. Camera lock is absolutely irrelevant here and I don't know why anybody is mentioning it. It's purely that he's pre-clicking without any knowledge of that play whatsoever from his opponent. edited for manners | ||
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Santiago4ever
Sweden299 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:38 Alejandrisha wrote: here's a snippet from the rep i uploaded. part 2 will show what happens right after which is just as, if not more questionable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMf4b4yjXM&feature=youtu.be note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O Because spamming hotkeys that does nothing isn't what top players do with their spare apm? I thought you couldn't issue move commands while camera lock is on without breaking the lock? Probably just moved on minimap? I've watched through a lot of his replays from ladder games and he uses the mini-map to issue move commands to his armies a lot. | ||
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Seohce
United Kingdom394 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:38 Alejandrisha wrote: here's a snippet from the rep i uploaded. part 2 will show what happens right after which is just as, if not more questionable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMf4b4yjXM&feature=youtu.be note with clock: the move commands to defend the invisible warp prism take place when camera is locked. when his camera is locked, he just spams hotkeys to give the impression that he is actually doing stuff, but none of the actions take place on the camera screen. you be the judge O_O You're not on Spade's view after you skip the replay... ? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE, screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video step 1: move out to defend invisible warp prism step 2: balk at defending invisible warp prism + 3 zealots because of invisible army replay: http://drop.sc/130143 | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On June 06 2012 20:56 samthesaluki wrote: the fact the guy jumped the replay and didnt have player cam turned on you mean yeah camera is locked because he has it on his own camera not players idiot. Hahahaha this is too funny. Can you upload the video again with player cam on plz.. lol | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:00 Seohce wrote: You're not on Spade's view after you skip the replay... ? no i'm just showing you the blue clicks on the ground. they occur simultaneously with the first screen, but i cannot show you that from spade's camera because his camera doesn't move there! | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens. screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE, screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video http://youtu.be/sOZSHu_u4cw step 1: move out to defend invisible warp prism step 2: balk at defending invisible warp prism + 3 zealots because of invisible army There might be something that happened before that let him know about the army but just from this it looks really suspicious... Every person with this amount of information would have defended the base instead of evacuating the workers against 3 Zealots. | ||
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