EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 231
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Exoteric
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zefreak
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Greenwizard
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On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens. screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE, screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video step 1: move out to defend invisible warp prism step 2: balk at defending invisible warp prism + 3 zealots because of invisible army I have only one problem : show us the entire replay , not only fragments that you like. | ||
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samthesaluki
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On June 06 2012 21:03 Alejandrisha wrote: no i'm just showing you the blue clicks on the ground. they occur simultaneously with the first screen, but i cannot show you that from spade's camera because his camera doesn't move there! if his camera didnt move he minimap clicked........ also you only show part like guy b4 said like if he already knew the guys army positioning i would be careful to move up that ramp and get spilt off also. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:05 Greenwizard wrote: I have only one problem : show us the entire replay , not only fragments that you like. i did post the replay a page or 2 ago. will add to both posts with videos though http://drop.sc/130143 | ||
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budar
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It would be kind of tragic if he wasn't hacking and got this much flak, but at this point this sounds like science fiction to me. As far as I can understand the cheater mentality, it is kind of understandable that he doesn't want to admit it. With a history of hacking, he wound't get a "third chance" anyway. He can always say that you can't prove it (because you can't). | ||
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samthesaluki
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Shallot
United States58 Posts
I think this is the most clear (circumstantial) evidence that we have. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:05 samthesaluki wrote: if his camera didnt move he minimap clicked........ also you only show part like guy b4 said like if he already knew the guys army positioning i would be careful to move up that ramp and get spilt off also. The second video is directly after the first one. So after he clicks on the minimap to send his army to defend the warp prism (before he has vision), he stops his army from going up the ramp (with no previous vision of the opposing army). Watch the first video, look at timestamp, watch second video, look at timestamp. Hacking. | ||
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Shallot
United States58 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:15 budar wrote: From all the evidence I've seen (pretty much Catz's analysis and this video above) and assuming this "evidence" has been presented in good faith (i.e. wasn't fabricated or something) I'm thinking the "likelihood" of him NOT hacking is less than 1%. It would be kind of tragic if he wasn't hacking and got this much flak, but at this point this sounds like science fiction to me. As far as I can understand the cheater mentality, it is kind of understandable that he doesn't want to admit it. With a history of hacking, he wound't get a "third chance" anyway. He can always say that you can't prove it (because you can't). I bet in the next few days someone will come up with a way to prove it, just as with flag in bw. We have a smart and extremely stubborn bunch in this community. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:02 zefreak wrote: Hahahaha this is too funny. Can you upload the video again with player cam on plz.. lol What? He shows it first with the player cam, then after that the same time intervall off player cam. There he shows a part of the screen Spades didnt look to but send his army to to react to an invisible warp prism. Imo it does not get much more convincing than that. | ||
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samthesaluki
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Greenwizard
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On June 06 2012 21:13 Alejandrisha wrote: i did post the replay a page or 2 ago. will add to both posts with videos though http://drop.sc/130143 Thank you for proving you are pathetic. 1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ? By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay. User was warned for this post | ||
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samthesaluki
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:20 Shallot wrote: I bet in the next few days someone will come up with a way to prove it, just as with flag in bw. We have a smart and extremely stubborn bunch in this community. I am really curious on what happens when it's confirmed he is a hacker. Will he actually get another chance? I hope not. Even more interesting would it be if he was not hacking. The whole community would need to apologies for this...  | ||
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On June 06 2012 21:24 Greenwizard wrote: Thank you for proving you are pathetic. 1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ? By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay. Why are you calling him names? Try discussing like a human being. | ||
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samthesaluki
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On June 06 2012 21:27 TAAF wrote: I am really curious on what happens when it's confirmed he is a hacker. Will he actually get another chance? I hope not. Even more interesting would it be if he was not hacking. The whole community would need to apologies for this... not me i am going with the undecided but innocent until guilty approach. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:24 Greenwizard wrote: Thank you for proving you are pathetic. 1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ? By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay. welcome to teamliquid i guess 1. every time the camera locks the only actions are hotkeys. this is true throughout the entire replay. 2. he hadn't seen the army at that point, did not scan a single time since the engagement and only sees the three zealots. what within his vision at that time would elicit the reaction you see at 21:40? | ||
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Greenwizard
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On June 06 2012 21:27 Ghanburighan wrote: Why are you calling him names? Try discussing like a human being. Well how many just decided to this makes things clear from just the 2 videos without watching the replay ? Well watch the replay and you will see the protoss gets away with nexus before gateway , hidden nexus , a lot of warp prism haras there is a fight that happens like 10 before he starts showing us where you can see the protoss army movment. I think he map hacks but not here ... Let me give you this scenario i have a zerling at the watchtower at min 20 , you come with a huge army and kill it at 20:30 and just show a movie where from 20:30 i move my army and build more units without vision. Everyone would say i have map hack. | ||
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samthesaluki
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On June 06 2012 21:33 Alejandrisha wrote: welcome to teamliquid i guess 1. every time the camera locks the only actions are hotkeys. this is true throughout the entire replay. 2. he hadn't seen the army at that point, did not scan a single time since the engagement and only sees the three zealots. what within his vision at that time would elicit the reaction you see at 21:40? game knowledge of map positioning. 1) his army could get cut off. 2) if he sends army to drop maybe his base gets hit while he defends. | ||
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