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On May 30 2012 04:02 mTwTT1 wrote:
i wouldnt accuse some1 of hacking if i wasnt 100% sure : )
Didn't mean to question you, was just making sure, since the game he played against me was legit :p Sad to see all of these people hacking, makes me wonder how many of them I have lost to... or won to :D
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On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away
Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up?
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On May 30 2012 11:41 InvXXVII wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up?
Was just saying not act so mad because its a small percentage that have been hacked.
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On May 30 2012 11:38 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:36 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:27 itsjuspeter wrote:On May 30 2012 11:21 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:15 dmasterding wrote:On May 30 2012 10:51 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 aYtDuSteR wrote:On May 30 2012 10:43 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Hackers will hack. I never understood the major upset on things like this. If people enjoy their game more hacking, then so be it. If you want to play normal then go and try and beat them. I should say I never have hacked a game, but I loved "god mode" in games I've played. I guess what I am saying is don't take this so seriously, unless you are a pro it doesn't matter. (even then tourny results matter not ladder) 1. Game was not meant to be played with 3rd party cheats and it ruins the enjoyment for people not using hacks. 2. Even though I want to play a normal game how can I when they are hacking. It's intrinsically impossible. 1. not many run with hacks. 2. Aim to be good enough to beat the hack 3. Who cares? I think most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity Hackers are a small percentage to legit players So we shouldn't crack down on hackers who are cheating and are being placed in GM in the place of legitimate Masters players who aren't hacking but are desperately trying to get their place in GM? You can get some ridiculous advantages by hacking - "aiming to be good enough to beat the hack" is probably not feasable. "most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity" I hate this argument so so so so so much. Being competitive about your record doesn't mean that you're not having fun - to me, my rank and achieving that rank IS fun. I derive fun from the feeling of working hard to teach myself the game, getting stronger mechanics and being able to appreciate the fruits of my labor. However, unjustly having a lower rank because people above me are maphacking and blink-stalker-micro-hacking is not fun at all. blizzard updates to cancel out the hacks. I just don't think it deserves more attention than that. No matter what people whine about it won't be dealt with any faster. When they update the hacks will go out, and within a day new hacks will be out. Why people like you think you can make the hacks go away is beyond me. I would be happy with a hack free game. I would also like a hack free internet etc You need to get out of here. Stop trying to derail this thread by telling people that catching cheaters are pointless. Many of the dedicated fans and players play this game out of enjoyment but to know when you enter a game in which you are more than likely to lose will cause anyone to not have as much fun or enjoyment out of the game as they're entitled to. Your mentality of "this wont do anything" is the same as saying I'm just one person hence nothing will ever change. I'd like you to then just step aside and be that person who goes along life never actually achieving much because of your attitude. I believe what the people in this thread has caught on actually made more success than I thought they would. Banning these 2 hacking GM accounts might not be much but hey, it's a step in the right direction and it might just make blizzard actually wake up and start acting seeing as though how easy it is to cheat the system and actually MH their way into GM. Settle down and separate your sentences. I never was against banning hackers. They would be banned eventually anyways. you joining the witch hunt won't speed it up and if it does you could ban innocents. but whatever lol i think I've said my point in the threads Yes... Yes I think you have 'said your point'. I wonder if you've registered that even on the internet what you're saying sounds stupid.
How is saying this isn't worth even thinking about something that sounds stupid even on the internet? But I am done either waqy. the chat isn't going anywhere. I just have my viewpoint that hackers don't matter because they will always be. Arguing is pointless, so I hope you have a nice day.
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On May 30 2012 11:07 paintfive wrote:Here's another hacker: http://drop.sc/188521Drops MULEs without selecting the CC or looking at the mineral line. 10:00 - decides to kill a pylon powering a stargate he hasn't even scouted instead of going straight for the mineral lines. 4:10 - sends marine out to snipe a probe that he hasn't even seen. and other shady shit.
This guy is too low master for me to start asking replays of him, he would be hard to keep track of so I will not be doing so, i'm sorry.
You can send this replay to blizzard via their email system at hacks@blizzard for them to analyse it. Wish you luck with it
On May 30 2012 11:21 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:15 dmasterding wrote:On May 30 2012 10:51 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 aYtDuSteR wrote:On May 30 2012 10:43 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Hackers will hack. I never understood the major upset on things like this. If people enjoy their game more hacking, then so be it. If you want to play normal then go and try and beat them. I should say I never have hacked a game, but I loved "god mode" in games I've played. I guess what I am saying is don't take this so seriously, unless you are a pro it doesn't matter. (even then tourny results matter not ladder) 1. Game was not meant to be played with 3rd party cheats and it ruins the enjoyment for people not using hacks. 2. Even though I want to play a normal game how can I when they are hacking. It's intrinsically impossible. 1. not many run with hacks. 2. Aim to be good enough to beat the hack 3. Who cares? I think most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity Hackers are a small percentage to legit players So we shouldn't crack down on hackers who are cheating and are being placed in GM in the place of legitimate Masters players who aren't hacking but are desperately trying to get their place in GM? You can get some ridiculous advantages by hacking - "aiming to be good enough to beat the hack" is probably not feasable. "most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity" I hate this argument so so so so so much. Being competitive about your record doesn't mean that you're not having fun - to me, my rank and achieving that rank IS fun. I derive fun from the feeling of working hard to teach myself the game, getting stronger mechanics and being able to appreciate the fruits of my labor. However, unjustly having a lower rank because people above me are maphacking and blink-stalker-micro-hacking is not fun at all. blizzard updates to cancel out the hacks. I just don't think it deserves more attention than that. No matter what people whine about it won't be dealt with any faster. When they update the hacks will go out, and within a day new hacks will be out. Why people like you think you can make the hacks go away is beyond me. I would be happy with a hack free game. I would also like a hack free internet etc
It does make it faster when we have evidence, just profile Impa, he got kicked out of GM in a 24 hours matter (he had no bonus pool) and is now sitting in bronze (guessing he's banned). He had no loss in between GM to bronze, so it makes me quite enthusiatic that we played a role into this.
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On May 30 2012 11:49 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:41 InvXXVII wrote:On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up? Was just saying not act so mad because its a small percentage that have been hacked.
Hmm I don't think people report out of anger. Maybe the moment when they're getting hacked it's frustrating. I think it's more a matter of keeping the game as clean and fair as we possibly can. Ofc there will always be hackers and stuff, but if we can corner those people and let everyone know they're out there, it makes the game more enjoyable for everyone.
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^ Stop feeding the troll man.
Props to the OP for getting Blizzard to do something about this. This proves that if we as a community proactively sniff out GM and high master hackers, Blizzard WILL take action quickly. Therefore I think this thread will be very valuable going forward and maybe should even be stickied somewhere. Just needs to be kept to GM and high master as the OP said (especially GM).
I would even be willing to go through replays of GM/high master players if they were willing to keep their ladder games w/ sc2gears or something and "donate" them to this thread (i.e., if they don't feel like going back through and trying to catch the more subtle hackers, or just don't look out for it, and want to let other people do that work).
Thanks again OP.
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For a "constantly online" type of a game it is simply atrocious for any hackers to be playing at all (or for so long). Blizzard and it's games really dropped in quality compared to the good old days. Kudos to them, though, for at least responding to community feedback in a proper fashion. However, that is the bare minimum of what they can do.
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LGlightpwnr has been confirmed threw 5 replays I watched, tomorrow i'll be adding his name to the main page with the according replays. I will be watching Lucifer's one shortly as well.
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I don't know how they can fix the Ladder problem unless Blizzard actually takes a stand and does something within their game, or makes the client stateless like Inori mentioned a couple pages back.
But in terms of Online tourney play, I think they should enforce some sort of Warden Authentication before being allowed to play for a chance to win cash. They need to update Warden(or whatever Anti-Hack tool they're using) so that you can choose to voluntarily run the program, which(if your computer is clean) will give you a "Clear" mark which makes you eligible to play in the online cups.
Unless developments like these come out, people will keep abusing the system. Especially the cheating scumbags that don't care about integrity but only about money.
Also, this is quite a tangent, but I believe that "zergthrowaway" guy.. Recently through watching streams of EU GM's, I've been getting the feeling that a few of them maphack. One top zerg especially who I saw play 3-4 games against Lucifron, and won all except a game with mass ghosts and nukes. <--- (Lucifron kept sniping all the Overseers so even though, as I suspect, he was maphacking, he couldn't focus fire the cloaked ghosts down without detection.)
The next couple of games were super suspicious with hard-counter plays and constant thwarting of drops and multi-pronged attacks...
I, for one, wish all these maphackers get banned. I know some of you who use that shit are reading this post, You fucks ruin the game. L2P.
/rant.
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the main issue is thata once u ban someones account they just get another one and the problem repeats (btw there are ways you can get accounts for free if u know how) except that it is difficult to determine what the hack is as you've banned all the accounts ur aware of and you have reduced the amount of ddata that you can gather on that particular hack. By waiting till you have a solution to a hack and then wave banning it prevents them from just switiching accounts immediatly and keep using the same hack.
This occurs in many games but is more obvious in this manner as ranks have much more signifiance in this then say battlefield as players of sufficent skill are matched in this game 1v1 while anyone of any rank can join a game also games such as league of legends is team base thus the influence of a single hacker is reduced as they can only agument their own behaviour artifically they cannot enhance their teammates as well (though they could be colluding but this would pretty easy to spot).
At the end of the day its shit but such is life.
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blizzard still too soft on hackers, need to delete their account and ban key for good and not 30 days or whatever they have done recently. I knew blizzard guy on warcraft 3 that I could get hackers banned and many of them quit hacking on ladder for good.
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On May 30 2012 11:49 HappyTimePANDA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:41 InvXXVII wrote:On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up? Was just saying not act so mad because its a small percentage that have been hacked.
Your logic is fucking hilarious. Taking your own example, if your family was kidnapped, raped, and then murdered, the police shouldn't even bother to look for the criminals - they'll surely do it again if they get free and there are so many others that do it as well! I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T have the police look for the criminals involved, but since things like that happen to such a small percentage of us, more power to them if they have fun doing it right? Your defeatist attitude is what sometimes pisses me off more than the cheating itself.
On May 30 2012 13:42 cristo1122 wrote:
the main issue is thata once u ban someones account they just get another one and the problem repeats (btw there are ways you can get accounts for free if u know how) except that it is difficult to determine what the hack is as you've banned all the accounts ur aware of and you have reduced the amount of ddata that you can gather on that particular hack. By waiting till you have a solution to a hack and then wave banning it prevents them from just switiching accounts immediatly and keep using the same hack.
This occurs in many games but is more obvious in this manner as ranks have much more signifiance in this then say battlefield as players of sufficent skill are matched in this game 1v1 while anyone of any rank can join a game also games such as league of legends is team base thus the influence of a single hacker is reduced as they can only agument their own behaviour artifically they cannot enhance their teammates as well (though they could be colluding but this would pretty easy to spot).
At the end of the day its shit but such is life.
Doesn't matter. If we achieve to stop one account from hacking, we can certainly stop another. The good thing about Battlenet 0.2 is that every time they get banned, they have to shell out another $50 or w/e the price is now to have fun in their petty ways. That way, they lose, we win, Blizzard gets more money, everyone is happy.
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A funny thing about Impa is that last season he was top diamond.... alll of a sudden season 7 rolls around and he's GM... Watching the replays and the livestreamed Vods of him its quite clear he is awful and doesnt deserve to be anywhere near GM.
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On May 30 2012 12:03 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:07 paintfive wrote:Here's another hacker: http://drop.sc/188521Drops MULEs without selecting the CC or looking at the mineral line. 10:00 - decides to kill a pylon powering a stargate he hasn't even scouted instead of going straight for the mineral lines. 4:10 - sends marine out to snipe a probe that he hasn't even seen. and other shady shit. This guy is too low master for me to start asking replays of him, he would be hard to keep track of so I will not be doing so, i'm sorry. You can send this replay to blizzard via their email system at hacks@blizzard for them to analyse it. Wish you luck with it Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:21 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:15 dmasterding wrote:On May 30 2012 10:51 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 aYtDuSteR wrote:On May 30 2012 10:43 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Hackers will hack. I never understood the major upset on things like this. If people enjoy their game more hacking, then so be it. If you want to play normal then go and try and beat them. I should say I never have hacked a game, but I loved "god mode" in games I've played. I guess what I am saying is don't take this so seriously, unless you are a pro it doesn't matter. (even then tourny results matter not ladder) 1. Game was not meant to be played with 3rd party cheats and it ruins the enjoyment for people not using hacks. 2. Even though I want to play a normal game how can I when they are hacking. It's intrinsically impossible. 1. not many run with hacks. 2. Aim to be good enough to beat the hack 3. Who cares? I think most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity Hackers are a small percentage to legit players So we shouldn't crack down on hackers who are cheating and are being placed in GM in the place of legitimate Masters players who aren't hacking but are desperately trying to get their place in GM? You can get some ridiculous advantages by hacking - "aiming to be good enough to beat the hack" is probably not feasable. "most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity" I hate this argument so so so so so much. Being competitive about your record doesn't mean that you're not having fun - to me, my rank and achieving that rank IS fun. I derive fun from the feeling of working hard to teach myself the game, getting stronger mechanics and being able to appreciate the fruits of my labor. However, unjustly having a lower rank because people above me are maphacking and blink-stalker-micro-hacking is not fun at all. blizzard updates to cancel out the hacks. I just don't think it deserves more attention than that. No matter what people whine about it won't be dealt with any faster. When they update the hacks will go out, and within a day new hacks will be out. Why people like you think you can make the hacks go away is beyond me. I would be happy with a hack free game. I would also like a hack free internet etc It does make it faster when we have evidence, just profile Impa, he got kicked out of GM in a 24 hours matter (he had no bonus pool) and is now sitting in bronze (guessing he's banned). He had no loss in between GM to bronze, so it makes me quite enthusiatic that we played a role into this.
Wow! That's awesome :D now we can use this as a way to persuade people that it's definitely not true that blizzard "doesn't care" or that "reporting does nothing", etc.
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On May 30 2012 13:58 EienShinwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:49 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:41 InvXXVII wrote:On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up? Was just saying not act so mad because its a small percentage that have been hacked. Your logic is fucking hilarious. Taking your own example, if your family was kidnapped, raped, and then murdered, the police shouldn't even bother to look for the criminals - they'll surely do it again if they get free and there are so many others that do it as well! I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T have the police look for the criminals involved, but since things like that happen to such a small percentage of us, more power to them if they have fun doing it right? Your defeatist attitude is what sometimes pisses me off more than the cheating itself.
Did you honestly just compare this situation to murder and rape?
And that's not even what this dude is advocating, all he's saying is let Blizzard deal with it. As seen by the previous threads made, Blizzard isn't doing anything when players send them replays, so they'll deal with the hackers in their own ways, however unefficient those ways are. A better analogy (but still pretty bad I suppose) would be that if someone breaks the law, regardless of how much information you have about it, it's the police/judge/etc that will decide of the punishment and of the process leading to it, not you. So it doesn't matter what you think the process should be, they're the ones who decide what it is and who does it. He's not saying to not ban them or to let them go free, so I hope the people ridiculing him (not specifically you) stop.
In my opinion, you might be able to make Blizzard ban a few because of this, but it'll only be to save face (much like, another terrible analogy, when the public demands a harsh sentence on a publicized criminal there is pressure to make it a heavy sentence); however, their process probably won't actually change. If you really want to change something, going agaisnt specific players is, I think, not the way to get change (even though I don't know what the best way to get change is). Shit happens all the time, make the best of it unless you're the one in charge. Not meant to be defeatist, if anything it's positive in my point of view, since you'll be frustrated less.
PS I'm normally just a lurker, but some of the posts here nearly made me scream, so I had to reply.
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On May 30 2012 13:58 EienShinwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:49 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:41 InvXXVII wrote:On May 30 2012 11:23 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:On May 30 2012 11:17 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:05 kerpal wrote:On May 30 2012 10:58 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:52 T.O.P. wrote:
Except for Shape (Impa). The rest of these hackers are in denial. I think they all know exactly what they are doing. Boring in my eyes, but they enjoy it. so more power to them, who cares? pretty much everyone who plays against them. sometime playing for fun IS playing to win. Working hard for something to have someone take it off you unfairly isn't fun on any level. Competitive play is fun because it is competitive, hacking ruins that. How many hacked against you? even if people hack it isnt that much compared to to majority. Hacking will never stop, the same as steroids in sports. Who cares? You cant change it and none of the bitching will alter it so why do people keep bitching? as far as i know, no-one has ever hacked against me. hacking will never stop, but does that make it ok? I fence competitively, if i found out that the guy who knocked me out of the university individual competitions this year was on steroids, i WOULD care. you're arguing that because we will never stamp out hacking that we shouldn't fight it. that's just stupid. people will always hate losing to cheaters i'm shocked at the sheer amount of effort you seem to be putting in to defend people's right to cheat. Yo dawg, we'll never stop people from killing. We should just stop sending murderers to jail and accept it. p.s. stop feeding the troll I never said stop shutting down known hacks, but you will never keep up. same as murderers, try as much as you want it will never go away Might be true that we will never keep up, but same as with murderers, shouldn't we at least try to keep up? Amaf shouldn't we never stop trying to keep up? Was just saying not act so mad because its a small percentage that have been hacked. Your logic is fucking hilarious. Taking your own example, if your family was kidnapped, raped, and then murdered, the police shouldn't even bother to look for the criminals - they'll surely do it again if they get free and there are so many others that do it as well! I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T have the police look for the criminals involved, but since things like that happen to such a small percentage of us, more power to them if they have fun doing it right? Your defeatist attitude is what sometimes pisses me off more than the cheating itself. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:42 cristo1122 wrote:
the main issue is thata once u ban someones account they just get another one and the problem repeats (btw there are ways you can get accounts for free if u know how) except that it is difficult to determine what the hack is as you've banned all the accounts ur aware of and you have reduced the amount of ddata that you can gather on that particular hack. By waiting till you have a solution to a hack and then wave banning it prevents them from just switiching accounts immediatly and keep using the same hack.
This occurs in many games but is more obvious in this manner as ranks have much more signifiance in this then say battlefield as players of sufficent skill are matched in this game 1v1 while anyone of any rank can join a game also games such as league of legends is team base thus the influence of a single hacker is reduced as they can only agument their own behaviour artifically they cannot enhance their teammates as well (though they could be colluding but this would pretty easy to spot).
At the end of the day its shit but such is life. Doesn't matter. If we achieve to stop one account from hacking, we can certainly stop another. The good thing about Battlenet 0.2 is that every time they get banned, they have to shell out another $50 or w/e the price is now to have fun in their petty ways. That way, they lose, we win, Blizzard gets more money, everyone is happy.
my underlying point is that hardcore hackers who tend to be an issue as they actively create the hacks themseleves therefore banning them solves nothing as they can just get another game for free. its not that hard to do btw especially these days when a good number of people are inactive but their accounts still exist asa well as individuals who use brute force methods in order to get cd keys.
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On May 30 2012 15:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 12:03 ZweiGaming wrote:On May 30 2012 11:07 paintfive wrote:Here's another hacker: http://drop.sc/188521Drops MULEs without selecting the CC or looking at the mineral line. 10:00 - decides to kill a pylon powering a stargate he hasn't even scouted instead of going straight for the mineral lines. 4:10 - sends marine out to snipe a probe that he hasn't even seen. and other shady shit. This guy is too low master for me to start asking replays of him, he would be hard to keep track of so I will not be doing so, i'm sorry. You can send this replay to blizzard via their email system at hacks@blizzard for them to analyse it. Wish you luck with it On May 30 2012 11:21 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:15 dmasterding wrote:On May 30 2012 10:51 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 aYtDuSteR wrote:On May 30 2012 10:43 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Hackers will hack. I never understood the major upset on things like this. If people enjoy their game more hacking, then so be it. If you want to play normal then go and try and beat them. I should say I never have hacked a game, but I loved "god mode" in games I've played. I guess what I am saying is don't take this so seriously, unless you are a pro it doesn't matter. (even then tourny results matter not ladder) 1. Game was not meant to be played with 3rd party cheats and it ruins the enjoyment for people not using hacks. 2. Even though I want to play a normal game how can I when they are hacking. It's intrinsically impossible. 1. not many run with hacks. 2. Aim to be good enough to beat the hack 3. Who cares? I think most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity Hackers are a small percentage to legit players So we shouldn't crack down on hackers who are cheating and are being placed in GM in the place of legitimate Masters players who aren't hacking but are desperately trying to get their place in GM? You can get some ridiculous advantages by hacking - "aiming to be good enough to beat the hack" is probably not feasable. "most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity" I hate this argument so so so so so much. Being competitive about your record doesn't mean that you're not having fun - to me, my rank and achieving that rank IS fun. I derive fun from the feeling of working hard to teach myself the game, getting stronger mechanics and being able to appreciate the fruits of my labor. However, unjustly having a lower rank because people above me are maphacking and blink-stalker-micro-hacking is not fun at all. blizzard updates to cancel out the hacks. I just don't think it deserves more attention than that. No matter what people whine about it won't be dealt with any faster. When they update the hacks will go out, and within a day new hacks will be out. Why people like you think you can make the hacks go away is beyond me. I would be happy with a hack free game. I would also like a hack free internet etc It does make it faster when we have evidence, just profile Impa, he got kicked out of GM in a 24 hours matter (he had no bonus pool) and is now sitting in bronze (guessing he's banned). He had no loss in between GM to bronze, so it makes me quite enthusiatic that we played a role into this. Wow! That's awesome :D now we can use this as a way to persuade people that it's definitely not true that blizzard "doesn't care" or that "reporting does nothing", etc.
Reporting still does nothing. They were only banned because this became a big deal on TL and reddit.
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On May 30 2012 16:06 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 15:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 30 2012 12:03 ZweiGaming wrote:On May 30 2012 11:07 paintfive wrote:Here's another hacker: http://drop.sc/188521Drops MULEs without selecting the CC or looking at the mineral line. 10:00 - decides to kill a pylon powering a stargate he hasn't even scouted instead of going straight for the mineral lines. 4:10 - sends marine out to snipe a probe that he hasn't even seen. and other shady shit. This guy is too low master for me to start asking replays of him, he would be hard to keep track of so I will not be doing so, i'm sorry. You can send this replay to blizzard via their email system at hacks@blizzard for them to analyse it. Wish you luck with it On May 30 2012 11:21 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 11:15 dmasterding wrote:On May 30 2012 10:51 HappyTimePANDA wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 aYtDuSteR wrote:On May 30 2012 10:43 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Hackers will hack. I never understood the major upset on things like this. If people enjoy their game more hacking, then so be it. If you want to play normal then go and try and beat them. I should say I never have hacked a game, but I loved "god mode" in games I've played. I guess what I am saying is don't take this so seriously, unless you are a pro it doesn't matter. (even then tourny results matter not ladder) 1. Game was not meant to be played with 3rd party cheats and it ruins the enjoyment for people not using hacks. 2. Even though I want to play a normal game how can I when they are hacking. It's intrinsically impossible. 1. not many run with hacks. 2. Aim to be good enough to beat the hack 3. Who cares? I think most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity Hackers are a small percentage to legit players So we shouldn't crack down on hackers who are cheating and are being placed in GM in the place of legitimate Masters players who aren't hacking but are desperately trying to get their place in GM? You can get some ridiculous advantages by hacking - "aiming to be good enough to beat the hack" is probably not feasable. "most people forget the game is meant to be played for fun. Your record isn't some sign of your masculinity" I hate this argument so so so so so much. Being competitive about your record doesn't mean that you're not having fun - to me, my rank and achieving that rank IS fun. I derive fun from the feeling of working hard to teach myself the game, getting stronger mechanics and being able to appreciate the fruits of my labor. However, unjustly having a lower rank because people above me are maphacking and blink-stalker-micro-hacking is not fun at all. blizzard updates to cancel out the hacks. I just don't think it deserves more attention than that. No matter what people whine about it won't be dealt with any faster. When they update the hacks will go out, and within a day new hacks will be out. Why people like you think you can make the hacks go away is beyond me. I would be happy with a hack free game. I would also like a hack free internet etc It does make it faster when we have evidence, just profile Impa, he got kicked out of GM in a 24 hours matter (he had no bonus pool) and is now sitting in bronze (guessing he's banned). He had no loss in between GM to bronze, so it makes me quite enthusiatic that we played a role into this. Wow! That's awesome :D now we can use this as a way to persuade people that it's definitely not true that blizzard "doesn't care" or that "reporting does nothing", etc. Reporting still does nothing. They were only banned because this became a big deal on TL and reddit.
Reporting on bnet... and reporting through sc2 does do something, even if it's not very significant
i know some people are reported many times but nothing seems to happen
but i have a friend who was quickly temp banned
so, it depends
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On May 30 2012 04:44 Mendelfist wrote:
I don't think it's possible to implement with any reasonable effort though. The first reason is the network bottleneck. Imagine a scan going off. Suddenly all units within that area should be sent within one game tick to the other client.
You should read the paper in its entirety; it actually addresses this very concern. Having large contiguous areas of the map revealed is actually much easier for the protocol than having multiple smaller regions sent over.
From my understanding, you are actually sending most of the game-state - the problem is solved not by withholding the data for the location of the units. Instead, you send the encrypted data for your units and then selectively send the encryption keys as needed so that your opponent can see your units in the region they should be visible in. For a scan, assuming that the units occupy the same hypergrid cell, the result would be a single encryption key being sent over.
The bigger drawback is that their proposal doesn't address active attacks very well at all - i.e. hacking a game client to create more units faster etc. These are of course easy to detect after the fact, but a fully synchronized game client that simply sends inputs back and forth like SC2 is essentially immune to this sort of attack by design. As for lag induced by using what essentially has to be an unsynchronized client, I can't really say and I would have to read more into the subject.
This is just my understanding based on a cursory read-through of the paper, and I might obviously be wrong.
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