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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 23:15:25
September 22 2012 22:57 GMT
#2901
On September 23 2012 07:48 holynorth wrote:
My point is that confirmed is the wrong word to use. I'm not challenging blink hack, but someone can have three suspicious actions in a game. Sure it looks like maphack, but it is not confirmed, merely suspected. It's ridiculous for you to say confirmed when nothing is confirmed.

There are a lot of ways to confirm hacking:

1: Proxying on 4-player maps.
2: Staring straight into fog of war at a player's army or critical tech structures (repeatedly).
3: Trying to build on unbuildable terrain (the way receding creep interacts with fog of war.
4: The hackers admit it.
5: Generating more actions than the highest keyboard repeat rate. Even if he didn't hack and used a macro, it's still illegal under the ToS.

Sure, you can claim that blind counters, reacting to drops in the fog are due to spider sense. However, when it happens the entire game with perfect timing or it happens in every single replays, it's hard to deny that the player is hacking.
=Þ
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10346 Posts
September 23 2012 01:26 GMT
#2902
On September 23 2012 07:53 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 07:46 NrT.RuSH wrote:
JaCkSpaRRoW Confirmed Hacker. He just admitted.

Where are Screenshots saved by default?

In your clipboard LOL. You have to Ctrl+V that shit into paint.


Actually no, they are saved in a folder somewhere in your profile in your SC2 folder under My Documents.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 06:54:04
September 23 2012 02:12 GMT
#2903
This protoss player proxy gates right next to my base without scouting on Antiga.
Name: Epic, 500pts masters
http://drop.sc/256863

Apparently he has done inbase proxies to other people as well, so I don't think it's stream cheating, just map hack.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 23 2012 03:29 GMT
#2904
On September 23 2012 07:57 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 07:48 holynorth wrote:
My point is that confirmed is the wrong word to use. I'm not challenging blink hack, but someone can have three suspicious actions in a game. Sure it looks like maphack, but it is not confirmed, merely suspected. It's ridiculous for you to say confirmed when nothing is confirmed.

There are a lot of ways to confirm hacking:

1: Proxying on 4-player maps.
2: Staring straight into fog of war at a player's army or critical tech structures (repeatedly).
3: Trying to build on unbuildable terrain (the way receding creep interacts with fog of war.
4: The hackers admit it.
5: Generating more actions than the highest keyboard repeat rate. Even if he didn't hack and used a macro, it's still illegal under the ToS.

Sure, you can claim that blind counters, reacting to drops in the fog are due to spider sense. However, when it happens the entire game with perfect timing or it happens in every single replays, it's hard to deny that the player is hacking.


You're right when you say there are ways to confirm it. We're talking the victim is proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. However, the level of muster in your stated reasons must be taken to vary incredibly in their rigor. Blind proxy (1) is hardly a giveaway, you can simply use knowledge of scouting averages, scout-cross first (See the guide to 6 pooling to grandmasters), and others. You can literally play ladder every day blind proxying for fun because when it works, it's gonna work real awesome!

(2) & (3) are the real biggies. (4) with streaming confirms typically. (5) a little more rarely but true.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 23 2012 03:33 GMT
#2905
On September 23 2012 12:29 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 07:57 Heh_ wrote:
On September 23 2012 07:48 holynorth wrote:
My point is that confirmed is the wrong word to use. I'm not challenging blink hack, but someone can have three suspicious actions in a game. Sure it looks like maphack, but it is not confirmed, merely suspected. It's ridiculous for you to say confirmed when nothing is confirmed.

There are a lot of ways to confirm hacking:

1: Proxying on 4-player maps.
2: Staring straight into fog of war at a player's army or critical tech structures (repeatedly).
3: Trying to build on unbuildable terrain (the way receding creep interacts with fog of war.
4: The hackers admit it.
5: Generating more actions than the highest keyboard repeat rate. Even if he didn't hack and used a macro, it's still illegal under the ToS.

Sure, you can claim that blind counters, reacting to drops in the fog are due to spider sense. However, when it happens the entire game with perfect timing or it happens in every single replays, it's hard to deny that the player is hacking.


You're right when you say there are ways to confirm it. We're talking the victim is proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. However, the level of muster in your stated reasons must be taken to vary incredibly in their rigor. Blind proxy (1) is hardly a giveaway, you can simply use knowledge of scouting averages, scout-cross first (See the guide to 6 pooling to grandmasters), and others. You can literally play ladder every day blind proxying for fun because when it works, it's gonna work real awesome!

(2) & (3) are the real biggies. (4) with streaming confirms typically. (5) a little more rarely but true.

Blind proxy is a giveaway when they do it a lot and it is always the correct base that is guessed....
Osteo
Profile Joined September 2011
United States10 Posts
September 23 2012 05:16 GMT
#2906
Hey guys, just found a new maphacker, Ladiesman! I think its a new account, and his mmr is around high masters ish, take a look!
http://drop.sc/256893

5~6min ran back with zealot no scouting info about bane nest~ mass cannons chrono sentry after 'seeing' bane nest
10.40min~ force field ramps with NO vision when lings about to go down ramp
12min~ blink into main with no vision, muta going to base
Practically no OBS the whole game

Too lazy to get into detail but you guys can watch the replay for yourself!
"Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are."
zerga30
Profile Joined September 2012
6 Posts
September 23 2012 05:25 GMT
#2907
New Hacker

Hacker name: FameToFlame
Server: NA
League+Rank: Masters 8
Replay: http://drop.sc/256894
Description/what to look for into the replay: Called out my 6 pool at start of the game. also weird spam clicks his ovy on my base. moves his ovy opposite way when my queen finishing. near the end, he blindly looks through fog outside his ramp at my lings. drops 4 spines to defend my banelings that he didnt also scout.

in chat he says he "loves the attention on teamliquid" and thats the reason he mhs: http://i.imgur.com/1nGIV.jpg

also something i found when googling "FametoFlame + hacker":

chatlog of Avilo's replay: http://drop.sc/54898

recent (same day accusing him of mh) post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6678738147?page=1#17

this is the same guy that posted the "Grandmaster by 6pooling" thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 05:48:31
September 23 2012 05:43 GMT
#2908
On September 23 2012 07:11 giAn. wrote:
im copying a post of a guy that he saw him maphacking too.

RapDawg
North America
Artanis Tau - Top Master - rank 5
1° http://drop.sc/256807 (my rep) - 2° http://drop.sc/256799 (another guy rep)

The guy is an obvious maphacker.
Condemned ridge, 4 player map. He sends a probe (after forge) straight to the correct base (seeing his POV it's clear he doesn't see my overlord and he sends his probe before my overlord was near his base and my overlord never revealed itself until much later on anyways, and it's not like he ever checked). He queues up a 3 pylon ramp block before even seeing my base.
When he arrives at my base, he plants down the 3 pylon ramp block. If you watch his POV, you can see that he DOES NOT see my overlord in the natural, and plants the first pylon before he's near it.
I had a drone out on the map (scouting worker) that he follows as I moved it around the map (i was considering making/cancelling bases as he cannons them but decided against it, but I moved it to a couple different bases as I was quite undecided on it). He keeps his probe out of range of my drone the entire time and is always near by. On condemned ridge, btw.
He makes 3 cannons at home right away when I start a roach warren (not uncommon after a cannon rush/ramp block). I cancel my roach warren and decide to go banelings instead (as I can see his wall-off with an overlord), and he actually goes for cyber and an extra gateway immediately and starts to chrono sentries (against roaches you want cannons, against banelings you want sentries).
When I run my lings to the front of his base, and start to prepare and morph banelings, he starts throwing down a TON of buildings at his ramp - extra gateways, pylons, and all throughout has been chronoing sentries.
There are also a couple other odd things: - He never saw my creep or my base - I was extremely dilligent in hiding everything, I broke out of his ramp block using just a single spine and a queen, never revealing my lings, and expanding immediately to my natural in front of his buildings. He never had a probe or zealot in front of my base or anything that would have seen my stream of lings leave my base.
I know it's not odd to be super careful after a cannon rush/ramp block as Toss, but the definitive proof of maphacking is: 1. Knowing exactly where I spawned on Condemned ridge and sending a probe right there and queuing up a weird move command/build that made it clear he had no intention of going up the ramp of that base, or checking other bases afterwards. He never saw any of my overlords before he planted his ramp block (for all a normal player would know, it was a random base) 2. Responding correctly to the tech I threw down, then cancelled, then the different tech I threw down 3. Reinforcing his wall-in right before I was about to attack 4. Having a probe follow the drone I had out on the map, when he never even saw where that probe went to. 5. Not looking in fog of war, weird camera pauses of course.
Checking his match history shows an inconsistent and odd win/loss history (ie dominated by wins lol). Checking the build orders shows he uses only cheese builds that benefit maphack (proxy 2 gate, ramp block cannon rush). I also talked to some of the people he played, and they all confirmed their belief that he was a maphacker.
TLDR RapDawg@NA is a maphacker. Pre-emptively cannon rushes correct spawn on 4 player map, follows drone, blind counters someone at the right times when that person doesn't even know what strategy to go for and cancels/makes techs


Thanks for the post! Thought this was just a bad cheeser until I reviewed your replay. I dont need to say much, it is a 6 pool. But the funny part is, he makes a drone in the begining, then cancels it knowing that I am close positions (before he scouts obviously). Then he sends one drone to scout me but his lings and the rest of his drones are already following before he's even seen my base! I have played him before and I reported him, but never reviewed the replays until now. Here is the replay.

http://drop.sc/256901
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
Rhiot
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
September 23 2012 05:47 GMT
#2909
On September 23 2012 14:25 zerga30 wrote:
New Hacker

Hacker name: FameToFlame
Server: NA
League+Rank: Masters 8
Replay: http://drop.sc/256894
Description/what to look for into the replay: Called out my 6 pool at start of the game. also weird spam clicks his ovy on my base. moves his ovy opposite way when my queen finishing. near the end, he blindly looks through fog outside his ramp at my lings. drops 4 spines to defend my banelings that he didnt also scout.

in chat he says he "loves the attention on teamliquid" and thats the reason he mhs: http://i.imgur.com/1nGIV.jpg

also something i found when googling "FametoFlame + hacker":

chatlog of Avilo's replay: http://drop.sc/54898

recent (same day accusing him of mh) post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6678738147?page=1#17

this is the same guy that posted the "Grandmaster by 6pooling" thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755


Played him today too, told me about the same things, I asked where I heard his name from (was the 6pooling thred) he said I probably heard he map hacks. He then blindly tries to 3 pylon ramp block
zerga30
Profile Joined September 2012
6 Posts
September 23 2012 05:56 GMT
#2910
On September 23 2012 14:47 sputnic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 14:25 zerga30 wrote:
New Hacker

Hacker name: FameToFlame
Server: NA
League+Rank: Masters 8
Replay: http://drop.sc/256894
Description/what to look for into the replay: Called out my 6 pool at start of the game. also weird spam clicks his ovy on my base. moves his ovy opposite way when my queen finishing. near the end, he blindly looks through fog outside his ramp at my lings. drops 4 spines to defend my banelings that he didnt also scout.

in chat he says he "loves the attention on teamliquid" and thats the reason he mhs: http://i.imgur.com/1nGIV.jpg

also something i found when googling "FametoFlame + hacker":

chatlog of Avilo's replay: http://drop.sc/54898

recent (same day accusing him of mh) post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6678738147?page=1#17

this is the same guy that posted the "Grandmaster by 6pooling" thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755


Played him today too, told me about the same things, I asked where I heard his name from (was the 6pooling thred) he said I probably heard he map hacks. He then blindly tries to 3 pylon ramp block


yup. lots of others are confirming that he mhs on his "6 pool" thread.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
September 23 2012 05:58 GMT
#2911
On September 23 2012 14:47 sputnic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 14:25 zerga30 wrote:
New Hacker

Hacker name: FameToFlame
Server: NA
League+Rank: Masters 8
Replay: http://drop.sc/256894
Description/what to look for into the replay: Called out my 6 pool at start of the game. also weird spam clicks his ovy on my base. moves his ovy opposite way when my queen finishing. near the end, he blindly looks through fog outside his ramp at my lings. drops 4 spines to defend my banelings that he didnt also scout.

in chat he says he "loves the attention on teamliquid" and thats the reason he mhs: http://i.imgur.com/1nGIV.jpg

also something i found when googling "FametoFlame + hacker":

chatlog of Avilo's replay: http://drop.sc/54898

recent (same day accusing him of mh) post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6678738147?page=1#17

this is the same guy that posted the "Grandmaster by 6pooling" thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755


Played him today too, told me about the same things, I asked where I heard his name from (was the 6pooling thred) he said I probably heard he map hacks. He then blindly tries to 3 pylon ramp block


Played him as well. Cross map entombed. Sends drone right to my base to harass. I even went gas first and the faggot can't pull it off lol

http://drop.sc/256902

Here's replay for confirmation. FametoFlame on NA ladder. It's on my troll smurf. Just getting back into the game, and I feel I'm playing SO many hackers.

2nd game I lose, he goes well over 1.3k apm when massing lings. Isn't that a sign as well?
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
September 23 2012 06:22 GMT
#2912
A replay versus RapDawg. First game 2-gate in base on condemned ridge. Second game: http://drop.sc/256905
안녕하세요~~
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 23 2012 06:34 GMT
#2913
On September 23 2012 07:57 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 07:48 holynorth wrote:
My point is that confirmed is the wrong word to use. I'm not challenging blink hack, but someone can have three suspicious actions in a game. Sure it looks like maphack, but it is not confirmed, merely suspected. It's ridiculous for you to say confirmed when nothing is confirmed.

There are a lot of ways to confirm hacking:

1: Proxying on 4-player maps.
2: Staring straight into fog of war at a player's army or critical tech structures (repeatedly).
3: Trying to build on unbuildable terrain (the way receding creep interacts with fog of war.
4: The hackers admit it.
5: Generating more actions than the highest keyboard repeat rate. Even if he didn't hack and used a macro, it's still illegal under the ToS.

Sure, you can claim that blind counters, reacting to drops in the fog are due to spider sense. However, when it happens the entire game with perfect timing or it happens in every single replays, it's hard to deny that the player is hacking.

#1 is just something people might do just to gamble the game.
33% to hit, i think it would be pretty fun
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
September 23 2012 06:50 GMT
#2914
Here's another replay of RapDawg; blatant maphacking.

http://drop.sc/256256

And a replay of LadiesMan. I didn't think he was maphacking or anything, I just thought he was extra fucking bad. But, since someone in this thread posted that they thought he was maphacking, maybe my replay will be of use.

http://drop.sc/256906
Rainier206
Profile Joined September 2011
United States59 Posts
September 23 2012 07:09 GMT
#2915
You know what the saddest part is? People who are still struggling in mid/high Masters while using Maphack. I've faced at least 4 different maphackers in the past few days and some of them still somehow lose. I can't even comprehend how stupid you have to be to lose games while using maphack.

Glad to see RapDawg and SKoreaSucks getting exposure in here, sucks I can't remember what SKoreaSucks alias is.
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
September 23 2012 12:56 GMT
#2916
On September 23 2012 16:09 Rainier206 wrote:
You know what the saddest part is? People who are still struggling in mid/high Masters while using Maphack. I've faced at least 4 different maphackers in the past few days and some of them still somehow lose. I can't even comprehend how stupid you have to be to lose games while using maphack.

Glad to see RapDawg and SKoreaSucks getting exposure in here, sucks I can't remember what SKoreaSucks alias is.

Why is that? Those mid/high masters players who maphacks are probably just plat/diamond players.
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 23 2012 13:08 GMT
#2917
On September 23 2012 15:34 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 07:57 Heh_ wrote:
On September 23 2012 07:48 holynorth wrote:
My point is that confirmed is the wrong word to use. I'm not challenging blink hack, but someone can have three suspicious actions in a game. Sure it looks like maphack, but it is not confirmed, merely suspected. It's ridiculous for you to say confirmed when nothing is confirmed.

There are a lot of ways to confirm hacking:

1: Proxying on 4-player maps.
2: Staring straight into fog of war at a player's army or critical tech structures (repeatedly).
3: Trying to build on unbuildable terrain (the way receding creep interacts with fog of war.
4: The hackers admit it.
5: Generating more actions than the highest keyboard repeat rate. Even if he didn't hack and used a macro, it's still illegal under the ToS.

Sure, you can claim that blind counters, reacting to drops in the fog are due to spider sense. However, when it happens the entire game with perfect timing or it happens in every single replays, it's hard to deny that the player is hacking.

#1 is just something people might do just to gamble the game.
33% to hit, i think it would be pretty fun

But when you look at all of his recent games, he has a 100% proxy rate. Which equals maphacking.
=Þ
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 18:58:18
September 23 2012 18:54 GMT
#2918
Maybe I am wrong,

But I heard that in BW the pros used hacks against each other in order to train.
It makes sense if you play against someone who is playing perfectly against you it is the best form of training.

Unfortunentaly people have to use it on practise games aka ladder.
People take ladder to seriously though if you want to become a "pro"
Go play in tournaments, or else you will just be another no name Ladder Monster.

If you win vs a hacker good for you,
If you lose vs a hacker(that doesnt cheese) take it as a lesson. When you play vs a pro it is like they have map hacks.
its kind of the "if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball" mentality.

I personally find them fantastic training partners and ladder points are just points.
Just my 2 cents, but im extremely positive about everything in life <3
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 22:49:04
September 23 2012 21:52 GMT
#2919
Updated the OP with few more names.

Haven't watched TireX replays yet, it would help if anyone could list all the replays fishy moment in a list to make it fast to check.


ivanSki being currently #4 GM, I decided to give him some exposure for a quicker ban: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6679638543#1
Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
September 24 2012 00:25 GMT
#2920
On September 24 2012 03:54 EggYsc2 wrote:
Maybe I am wrong,

But I heard that in BW the pros used hacks against each other in order to train.
It makes sense if you play against someone who is playing perfectly against you it is the best form of training.

Unfortunentaly people have to use it on practise games aka ladder.
People take ladder to seriously though if you want to become a "pro"
Go play in tournaments, or else you will just be another no name Ladder Monster.

If you win vs a hacker good for you,
If you lose vs a hacker(that doesnt cheese) take it as a lesson. When you play vs a pro it is like they have map hacks.
its kind of the "if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball" mentality.

I personally find them fantastic training partners and ladder points are just points.
Just my 2 cents, but im extremely positive about everything in life <3


Practicing against someone who hacks sounds VERY unlikely. Playing someone who can perfect counter you doesn't make you necessarily better for one. That doesn't even make sense because in tournaments, players rely on heavy scouting (hacks you don't need to scout /derp).

If you win against a hacker, the hacker was bad (which is why he's using hacks in the first place)
If you lose against a hacker, watch the replay, report, and accept the fact that people cheat on the ladder =/
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