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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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Saw he was posted here earlier but here's one replay of me vs him. Theory again** and not Lgn tagged guy who posts.
http://drop.sc/257180
I'd already lost to him earlier so I was on tilt and did some pretty unorthodox things on my end and he reacted perfectly to all of them...
Bane bust v Toss = insta 3 canon full reinforced wall with 0 scout of gas or even my base in general.
Start going roach etc afterwards, build a spire but don't use it much at first. However, he already had phoenix and range ready when I swapped to mutas...again no vision of my base at ll.
The stuttering on his camera at the start of the game is a clue as well...
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Mine was against a guy named Nerffy. He was incredibly blatant with his army movements, also he found my observers incredibly quickly, while they were still moving across the map. I found it very odd. I watched the replay and he was screenlocking constantly, didn't do any scouting vs. my colossus all-in and still made 2 starport vikings. Luckily he is a trash player so I won anyway.
http://drop.sc/257217
Odd, because I really haven't felt up to this point (2600 ladder games) that I was actually playing a hacker, but I could feel that this guy's decisions were based on information he couldn't have. Haven't gone through the thread, but I'm sure his name is in here already.
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On September 24 2012 11:58 Vogue wrote:Mine was against a guy named Nerffy. He was incredibly blatant with his army movements, also he found my observers incredibly quickly, while they were still moving across the map. I found it very odd. I watched the replay and he was screenlocking constantly, didn't do any scouting vs. my colossus all-in and still made 2 starport vikings. Luckily he is a trash player so I won anyway. http://drop.sc/257217Odd, because I really haven't felt up to this point (2600 ladder games) that I was actually playing a hacker, but I could feel that this guy's decisions were based on information he couldn't have. Haven't gone through the thread, but I'm sure his name is in here already.
I just played the same terran, his fpview was constantly in my base while he never even sent out a scouting scv, killing the observers weren't the biggest giveaway but it was pretty suspicious, he attacks the direct spot i put my pylon near his 3rd in without having any information of me putting pylons on the map. He also does a 2 base all in directed to my third, i see it with an obs and i move my army into position but he blindly stims his whole army and runs into my natural.
http://drop.sc/257240
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SlayerSkwick - this Protoss player is a map hacker.
Just played TvP in Shakuras Plateau.
I was doing 2 port banshees, marines, and SCV all-in but he didn't even scout my base and went straight to phoenix after Nexus first.
He sent phoenixes preemptively to a corner where my first banshee was going to enter his base and blocks his ramp with buildings as I move out with my army.
Plus, I was caught off guard with a banshee that was not with my army when I was moving out and he came with his phoenixes at perfect timing and sniped it.
He basically parked his entire army in his base and there are numerous times when the player camera locks.
I will post the replay soon.
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On September 24 2012 15:01 Endemic wrote:
SlayerSkwick - this Protoss player is a map hacker.
Just played TvP in Shakuras Plateau.
I was doing 2 port banshees, marines, and SCV all-in but he didn't even scout my base and went straight to phoenix after Nexus first.
He sent phoenixes preemptively to a corner where my first banshee was going to enter his base and blocks his ramp with buildings as I move out with my army.
Plus, I was caught off guard with a banshee that was not with my army when I was moving out and he came with his phoenixes at perfect timing and sniped it.
He basically parked his entire army in his base and there are numerous times when the player camera locks.
I will post the replay soon.
Interesting part is, he didn't even scout with his first phoenix but just "somehow knew" that my banshee was coming without a single scouting nor leaving his base.
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On September 24 2012 09:25 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 03:54 EggYsc2 wrote:
Maybe I am wrong,
But I heard that in BW the pros used hacks against each other in order to train.
It makes sense if you play against someone who is playing perfectly against you it is the best form of training.
Unfortunentaly people have to use it on practise games aka ladder.
People take ladder to seriously though if you want to become a "pro"
Go play in tournaments, or else you will just be another no name Ladder Monster.
If you win vs a hacker good for you,
If you lose vs a hacker(that doesnt cheese) take it as a lesson. When you play vs a pro it is like they have map hacks.
its kind of the "if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball" mentality.
I personally find them fantastic training partners and ladder points are just points.
Just my 2 cents, but im extremely positive about everything in life <3 Practicing against someone who hacks sounds VERY unlikely. Playing someone who can perfect counter you doesn't make you necessarily better for one. That doesn't even make sense because in tournaments, players rely on heavy scouting (hacks you don't need to scout /derp). If you win against a hacker, the hacker was bad (which is why he's using hacks in the first place) If you lose against a hacker, watch the replay, report, and accept the fact that people cheat on the ladder =/
nah i heard that somewhere too, i think it was during a NASL broadcast maybe? bitterdam IIRC were saying BW bros would practice with maphack so improve there micro and to be able to learn exact timings or something
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The saddest thing about hacking is that I'm actually very interested in learning to program and so I'm curious about how they're designed.. but I have a deep seated hatred of hackers that lies somewhere between wishing them prison rape at least once, and water boarding.
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I met Black-ra again on the ladder i remember reporting him for it before cuase i had him muted. This last time i played him at Tal darim altar. I checked the replay and he started by hoovering over my base through fog of war. He continued to go over to my base making a pylon in my main(Not seeing any overlords or creep). He made 2 proxy gates in my base and continued to kill me. He is the most obvious maphacker i have met and i have reported him twice for maphacking and he still wont get banned...... He is as said in the mainpost playing on the EU
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NA Top master- Nerffy
http://drop.sc/257401
Never scouted or scanned in a 23 minute TvT
Never stationed a single unit at a xel naga tower
Moved his army in to position wherever I was going attack later in the game(without seeing it of course)
VERY suspicious, watch it for yourself.
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NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol.
This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything.
All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards.
What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played
Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made.
http://drop.sc/257360
http://drop.sc/257359
http://drop.sc/257358
http://drop.sc/257357
http://drop.sc/257356
http://drop.sc/257355
Replays played yesterday:
Me vs Dimaga.
http://drop.sc/257363
Me vs a 1800 point master.
http://drop.sc/257364
Me vs some guy on ladder....
http://drop.sc/257365
And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation
Me vs Catz
http://drop.sc/197759
Me vs a friend
http://drop.sc/125546
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On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546
I think Vralaren should be given a second chance! He is a excellent player with a very proving carreer coming-up!
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I don't know anything about this drama surrounding Vralaren, but I highly doubt he's a hacker. Just my two cents though!
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On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546
Can you ask him why he included a game of him as xsVen? Is he claiming to have leveled that account as well?
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Again messaging for Vralaren:
I did not play on Sven. That was a error on my part, Xsven sent me that replay to look at. To open it i had to drag it onto the replay folder and then i forgot it there. That replay is not supposed to be there. I'm sorry if this caused confusion
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Hacker name : iLuvJBieber
Server : NA
League+Rank : Master rank 4
Replay : http://drop.sc/257454
Description/what to look for into the replay:
ILuvJBieber opens nexus first into double gate.
Lastmarine scouts this and goes for 5 rax but as he plants down 4 more barracks ILuvBieber cancels his 2nd gas and goes for a forge and brings his initial 3 zelots from the watch tower and starts building cannons.
iLuvBeiber has no vision of the marines and scv pull but has managed to get 3 cannons up
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On September 25 2012 05:37 SpooN04 wrote:
Again messaging for Vralaren:
I did not play on Sven. That was a error on my part, Xsven sent me that replay to look at. To open it i had to drag it onto the replay folder and then i forgot it there. That replay is not supposed to be there. I'm sorry if this caused confusion
What? This makes no sense. Why did xSVen, who is currently a known hacker, send him that replay of himself admitting to hacking for him to look at it? It's not like anything notable even happened in that short game, which is just a blind ramp block without scouting spawning position.
Sorry if I'm understanding something wrong, but it just makes no sense at all to me. Do they know each other or something?
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Messaging for VRalaren again:
Response to etheralSomthing: yes im a friend with Xsven. I knew him before i knew he was hacking. He treated me with such respect that i decided to keep him as a friend. I've already been over that in this thread. Please forget about that replay and focus on the rest of the post, thanks.
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I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with:
According to sc2gears, this game (7min game):
http://drop.sc/257355
was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36):
http://drop.sc/246942
And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2
Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game:
http://drop.sc/197759
So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup.
I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this.
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On September 25 2012 05:51 SpooN04 wrote:
Messaging for VRalaren again:
Response to etheralSomthing: yes im a friend with Xsven. I knew him before i knew he was hacking. He treated me with such respect that i decided to keep him as a friend. I've already been over that in this thread. Please forget about that replay and focus on the rest of the post, thanks.
Well, the time and date do overlap that's for sure.
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