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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On September 25 2012 21:29 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Fucking hate how the bans occur in waves..SKoreaSuckS has been known for weeks and I just hit him on ladder...basically guaranteed loss of points. Hackers are such tools
haha I just beat that guy. It's funny he has a 55% win rate with hacks... xD Really funny how bad hackers are at the game ^_^
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On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally...
After doing some more research, there is now undeniable proofs that vralaren account has been using hacks. I now added him to the OP.
[Confirmed] Hacker name : tCvralaren
Server:US
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2089282/1/tCvralaren/
Description : Maphack +Blink hack+ auto probe production and worker split
Replays : + Show Spoiler +http://drop.sc/2573600 :02 : auto-split workers + probe production 2 :18 : says he already « beat toxsik as zerg », which happens to be vralaren main race. From that perspective, I assume vralaren was playing this game. 2:24: sends probe to opponent base with no previous scouting on a 4 players map and queue 3 pylon block at the entrance 12:41: Blink hack 15:42 Blink hack http://drop.sc/246942Proxy 2 gate on a 4 players map
Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account.
Thanks, added to the OP as additional evidence to this players case - didn't have anything recent about him.
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On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account.
Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm.
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On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm.
That's like the favorite excuse of hackers. It's not me! If you compare the hotkey setups/APM usage graphs of hack games and "clean" games, I'm 100% sure they're the same. If you want debunked examples, just look around in this thread. Or here, let me provide another: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=45#883
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On September 26 2012 08:15 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm. That's like the favorite excuse of hackers. It's not me! If you compare the hotkey setups/APM usage graphs of hack games and "clean" games, I'm 100% sure they're the same. If you want debunked examples, just look around in this thread. Or here, let me provide another: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=45#883
I don't think you read my previous post then...? (quoted above)
Because that's exactly what the defense is all about. The hot key setup is evidence that he did in fact NOT play the games.
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On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm.
Look at my updated post, a second replay was added in which he says the player GAGOOO is "saying hello" (that player got banned in the last wave as well). GAGOOO was veNcido's friend, tricky's friend and most likely vralaren's friend (those three played team games togheter). The person on the account did not steal anything, he only played on it which doesn't make any sense at all with the current claim. Also, in that replay vs toxsik, the player mention beating toksik as zerg in the past, which happens to be vralaren main race.... With all of this, I can assure you that whoever was on the account had permission to do so. All those players mentionned are friends and probably share their accounts.
vralaren playing with hackers at several occasions: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qdtJ8.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YqiPC.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kCRUU.png)
GAGOOO's banned account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3630526/1/GAGOOOOOOOOO/ladder/lastseason/leagues
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BTW Logicc on EU 1200 points on EU
He admits in swedish to cheating and then starts to accuse me/my teammate for cheating in a vain effort. Starts to BM and then losses the game and ignores me.
http://drop.sc/257886
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On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally...
I'm sorry, but check out what Vralaren's first post in this thread was. He is not only friends with these hackers, he condones and finds enjoyment from their behavior. Furthermore, he plays team games with them, knowing fully that they are taking advantage of hacks. This is all about as bad as you can get without actually hacking yourself.
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On September 26 2012 08:22 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm. Look at my updated post, a second replay was added in which he says the player GAGOOO is "saying hello" (that player got banned in the last wave as well). GAGOOO was veNcido's friend, tricky's friend and most likely vralaren's friend (those three played team games togheter). The person on the account did not steal anything, he only played on it which doesn't make any sense at all with the current claim. Also, in that replay vs toxsik, the player mention beating toksik as zerg, which happens to be vralaren main race.... With all of this, I can assure you that whoever was on the account had permission to do so. All those players mentionned are friends and probably share their accounts. vralaren playing with hackers at several occasions: GAGOOO's banned account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3630526/1/GAGOOOOOOOOO/ladder/lastseason/leagues
Ah, yes... That does sound suspicious... I missed that ZvsZ comment, that at least implies the player who hacked know Vralaren. But still, the replay you are referring to were also included in the defense of Vralaren (the games are from the same day, it is only natural there would be more than one in any case).
This game on account MichaelBoltN (10 min game)
http://drop.sc/257358
was started 7 minutes before the second hack game you presented.
The hot keys of MichaelBoltN in that game also matches the setup from the earlier games of Vralaren.
Oh well. I'm done for the time being I think. I don't really have any personal connection to this case, I just thought it seemed as if he might have been judged too quickly. I don't really want to condone his behavior surrounding these events anyways (disregarding the question of hacking) so I'll just agree that it's quite possible he knew that the guy was hacking with his account. I still choose to believe he didn't actually hack himself though. I can be quite naive that way. 
On a different note; keep up the good work! ^^
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On September 26 2012 08:48 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... I'm sorry, but check out what Vralaren's first post in this thread was. He is not only friends with these hackers, he condones and finds enjoyment from their behavior. Furthermore, he plays team games with them, knowing fully that they are taking advantage of hacks. This is all about as bad as you can get without actually hacking yourself.
To make things easier, here is that post:
On September 04 2012 04:45 Vralaren wrote:LOL i was sitting in skype with him when he did it. we rofled so hard :p.... Even though i don't maphack i find it hilarious when my friends make you people rage  User was warned for this post
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On September 26 2012 08:21 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:15 Heh_ wrote:On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm. That's like the favorite excuse of hackers. It's not me! If you compare the hotkey setups/APM usage graphs of hack games and "clean" games, I'm 100% sure they're the same. If you want debunked examples, just look around in this thread. Or here, let me provide another: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=45#883 I don't think you read my previous post then...? (quoted above) Because that's exactly what the defense is all about. The hot key setup is evidence that he did in fact NOT play the games.
He was supposedly playing on MichaelBoltn's account (hotkeys match up), which is a confirmed maphacker.
Some mysterious person sneaks into his account, and plays team games with other confirmed hackers?
Also Zwei got that mysterious skype spam from numerous hackers, after talking to valeren.
Overwhelming evidence implies that he is a hacker.
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Yeah, I agree that he shouldn't play team games with people he knows uses hacks. That is indeed almost as bad as using hacks yourself. I'm not sure it's bad enough to warrant some sort of ban though.
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On September 26 2012 08:59 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 08:21 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 26 2012 08:15 Heh_ wrote:On September 26 2012 08:10 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 26 2012 07:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 19:34 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:On September 25 2012 08:37 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I talked to vralaren on Skype when all of this happened , heres a key part of our conversation: [05/09/2012 3:56:43 PM] Me: ill check [05/09/2012 3:57:52 PM] Me: but hey, i also noticed that you do play with hackers like 90% of your team games [05/09/2012 3:57:56 PM] Me: knowing that they are hacking [05/09/2012 3:58:20 PM] Me: playing with hackers is just like hacking yourself, since you are using an unfair advantage to win [05/09/2012 3:58:33 PM] Ludwig Sedin: thats true [05/09/2012 3:58:37 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i can confirm that [05/09/2012 3:58:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: but i do not take advantage over it Afterward I removed him but not blocked so he would keep spamming me untill I did block him: [07/09/2012 8:57:01 PM] Ludwig Sedin: your a fucking douche [07/09/2012 8:57:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i never hacked [07/09/2012 8:57:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and you treat me like scum [07/09/2012 8:57:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i dont understand [07/09/2012 8:57:30 PM] Ludwig Sedin: did your mother not love u enough? [07/09/2012 8:57:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: Do you HAVE to bully other people cause you didint succed in life [07/09/2012 8:58:05 PM] Ludwig Sedin: like [07/09/2012 8:58:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what the fuck is wrong with you [07/09/2012 8:59:39 PM] Ludwig Sedin: now you dont say anything [07/09/2012 8:59:45 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause you know im right [07/09/2012 8:59:49 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you know i dont hack [07/09/2012 8:59:57 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you just wanna ruin for someone else [07/09/2012 9:00:03 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause u got raped in ur childhood [07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM] Ludwig Sedin: well im sorry [07/09/2012 9:00:17 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i cant prevent that This player is on my blacklist and will remain there, have him on your team if you want but he'll only be causing you trouble in the future. I'll screenshot the conversation if needed instead of copy pasting it. Needless to say he acts just like a child. I also had forgotten this intersting part of the conversation. After I made it clear I wasn't helping out of what he got into, he told my skype name to basically all the hackers he knew. I received friends invite and spam messages from all of them untill I managed to finally have all their skype accounts blocked. Two of the ones adding me were FnaticTricky and veNcido. [06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name [07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do [07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me [07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work [07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud [07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over [07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis? On September 25 2012 05:58 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:I took some time to examine the evidence just now and here's what I came up with: According to sc2gears, this game (7min game): http://drop.sc/257355was played on MichaelBoltN account at the same time (21:27:11) as this game (the hack game, 3:32 min long game started 21:25:36): http://drop.sc/246942 And the MichaelBoltN game had hatcheries on 1 queen on 4 and 5 and the eggs with zerglings in them on 2 Which is the same hot key setup that you can see in the game played on tCvralaren a long time before (another patch even) the hack game: http://drop.sc/197759So, the evidence is not 100%, but it is not THAT likely that he would just happen to find a game played on that very minute with the exact same hot key setup. I can't say I'm entirely convinced he didn't hack, but I do think the community are way to fast to pass judgement in cases such as this. I would also recommend giving him a second chance since there are at the very least a lot of uncertainty regarding this. That account is already perma-banned from the last ban-wave, why even bringing this account up as a defense lol. Also, I don't recall adding him to the OP for a lack of replays evidence so I really don't get what this is all about. My conclusion was that he was friend with a ton of hackers, had hackers play on his accounts, played team games with hacker, but I didn't have enough replays of him hacking in 1v1 to add to the OP. MichaelBoltN account got banned and put in same division as all the other banned hackers: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3587879/1/MichaelBoltN/ladder/lastseason/leagues I'm not defending his behavior, I just wanted to present the facts since it does seem like there is a chance Vralaren has been judged wrongly by a lot of people when it comes to him actually using hack himself. On September 25 2012 10:27 ZweiGaming wrote:On September 25 2012 09:46 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 25 2012 09:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Lmao I just love seeing hackers get upset. Kid was so desperate not to lose his account...now he comes out with the classic "someone else hacked my account and was using it" excuse. LOL so predictable. As I've said before each time a hacker comes in this thread to make a bogus excuse, can't fix stupid. They would be better off admitting to it and then just playing clean. Instead they choose to lie through their teeth because they're people of weak moral character. To be fair, the replay from MichaelBoltN overlaps in time witht he tCvralaren one, and the MichaelBoltN replay signature is the same as vralaren's as zerg. Of course one could come up with a bunch of alternative scenarios, but it is at least believable in this case, although quite coincidental. But MichaelBoltN is already banned for hacking. This isn't the best defense to be brought.. Well, it is entirely possible that MichaelBoltN is actually another person than Vralaren except in the games where Vralaren played on his account. Sure, there is of course a possibility that Vralaren is lying, but I do not see any clear evidence regarding that in this case. On September 25 2012 13:25 SupLilSon wrote:
lol @ Vralaren... Big hot shot in the hacker community, broing out with all the big name hackers, yet you don't hack yourself. Even if this was true, you really expected to start a meaningful SC2 career? Even while you are friends with the most notorious hackers? Pretty laughable honestly. I also want to address this quote. I think it is not right to judge someone just for being friendly to a disliked person (or even bad person if you want to be that blunt). Just because you are friends with someone does NOT mean you have to support the actions of that person. I admit this doesn't have a lot to do with the case in question, I just wanted to respond to the quote... Also, I want to say that I really believe some sort of punishment is good when it comes to hackers, and I'm really thankful for all the great work a lot of you have put down into this to expose the hackers in the community. If proof of Vralaren hacking were to come up I would of course not defend him at all. I don't even know him personally... Here is a clear evidence of vralaren: http://drop.sc/246942This replay is what actually started all of it a while ago. I believe there is 3 more replays of him hacking from the same day (all played as protoss). I've browsed vralaren match history and he played the following players the same day: vVvToXsiK, LGpremier, WarpPrism. If any of those players still have the replay played on this exact date (22 days ago) vs vralaren, it would be appreciated to post it here. Wether or not it was him playing on the account, it is his full responsability NOT to let hacker friends play on his own account. Well, according to Vralaren he did not "let" anyone play those games. He claims someone used his account to hack without his permission. For example, it is quite possible someone who don't like him hacked his account just to try and ruin his reputation. The evidence he presented does indeed support this claim. Like you said, it is possible he just lent the account to someone knowing that person would hack, but there's no evidence for that atm. That's like the favorite excuse of hackers. It's not me! If you compare the hotkey setups/APM usage graphs of hack games and "clean" games, I'm 100% sure they're the same. If you want debunked examples, just look around in this thread. Or here, let me provide another: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=45#883 I don't think you read my previous post then...? (quoted above) Because that's exactly what the defense is all about. The hot key setup is evidence that he did in fact NOT play the games. He was supposedly playing on MichaelBoltn's account (hotkeys match up), which is a confirmed maphacker. Some mysterious person sneaks into his account, and plays team games with other confirmed hackers? Also Zwei got that mysterious skype spam from numerous hackers, after talking to valeren. Overwhelming evidence implies that he is a hacker.
As posted earlier, the skype spam was intended and orchestrated by Vralaren. That is not something he tried to hide, he told me the reason he did so:
[06/09/2012 12:44:21 AM] Me: nice of you to have told you hacker friends my skype name
[07/09/2012 6:32:50 PM] Ludwig Sedin: cause ur a faggot that ruined my career and made me lose my job for something i didint do
[07/09/2012 6:32:58 PM] Ludwig Sedin: hope you enjoy having ruined for me
[07/09/2012 6:33:08 PM] Ludwig Sedin: and basicaly fucking over my hard work
[07/09/2012 6:33:14 PM] Ludwig Sedin: i really hope you are proud
[07/09/2012 6:33:18 PM] Ludwig Sedin: you fucked me over
[07/09/2012 6:33:31 PM] Ludwig Sedin: what did you really gain? A bigger E penis?
On September 26 2012 09:02 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:
Yeah, I agree that he shouldn't play team games with people he knows uses hacks. That is indeed almost as bad as using hacks yourself. I'm not sure it's bad enough to warrant some sort of ban though.
1- He plays with hackers... fine I can't base any accusations simply on that
2- Someone hacked on HIS account (and now we got the replays to prove it) - that is worth the ban
3- He posted more than a month ago on a hacker forum questions about maphack. "romulan" being part of his skype account name, I'm assuming this would be him.+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MsqDz.png) Post made 2 days after: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XGYhw.png) Found a way to get an history of all "romulan"'s post: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rivXq.png)
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I get accused of hacking by at least 2-3 people per week. Many threaten to post here or say they actually will be posting. Funny how people use it as empty threats when their proxy or whatnot is scouted.
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The poster “Evil cayenne” who came in defense of Vralaren is also proven to have acted in a fraudulent way in his clan wars on EU server.
On September 25 2012 04:59 Evil cayenne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I think Vralaren should be given a second chance! He is a excellent player with a very proving carreer coming-up!
Earlier today, Vralaren and Evil cayenne invited ivansKi (also known as fnatictricky/Impa) to play in their clan war on EU server.
Vralaren streamed the clan war himself on his stream 7 hours ago and here is the VOD.
http://fr.twitch.tv/vralaren/b/333447886
20 :14: Vralaren, Evil cayenne and Martin Larocque (fnatictricky/impa/ivanski) are on skype talking until 40:09 + Show Spoiler +
40:09: Vralaren and Evil cayenne bringing martin larocque to play for them in a clan war under the account “RegezThumZz”.+ Show Spoiler +
While the game was happening, the observers (chatting in french) were suspecting RegezThumZz of maphacking from his play.
1:07:44: RegezThumZz saying he’s rank6 GM on NA in the channel (which happens to be ivanSki)+ Show Spoiler +I know the quality isn't good but the image is taken from the stream ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JYSpy.png)
I do not know much about EU server nor how serious their team really is. If anyone have played/is about to play them on a team league, I believe you have enough evidence here to get them disqualified from it. Hopefully, this will close the case of Vralaren once and for all.
I believe once they realize this post has been made, the VOD will be removed which is why I took the liberty of saving it on my computer.
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Wouldn't be surprised if El_Mojjo is just another one of Vralaren's hacker friends desperately trying to clear his name or w/e..
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New hacker: Nerffy (Master NA)
Besides not scouting, and the random defense position of army ~6:00 on, he pre moves army to defend medivac at 6:38, if you watch slowly. Game felt extremely fishy to me, but what makes it conclusive was not his extraordinary game sense, 45 APM, or oddly terrible gameplay, but his camera lock (lol).
Feel free to confirm guys
http://drop.sc/257981/d
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On September 26 2012 10:29 ZweiGaming wrote:The poster “Evil cayenne” who came in defense of Vralaren is also proven to have acted in a fraudulent way in his clan wars on EU server. Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 04:59 Evil cayenne wrote:On September 25 2012 04:51 SpooN04 wrote:NOTE: This is a message my friend Vralaren asked me to post for him as he is banned, I am passing a message along, please don't shoot the messenger lol. This is Vralaren. U have probably already read the drama surrounding me. I would like to clear my name and i've found 100% proof to do so. While my account was running wild and maphacking i was playing on a other account. However the account i was leveling was the infamous account Micealboltn.... Since i know the owner he asked me to level it legit and i agreed. During that time somebody hacked on my account and i was accused and lost everything. All of these are me on michealboltn while my account was hacking. I've neglected to make this public because im very ashamed in how i acted here. In my defence i appologised to most of them afterwards. What i would like for you to look at here is my hotkeys and the time they were played Here are the games i played: I said some really stupid shit here! Everything said here is completely trash and should not be taken in consideration. I was even retarded enough to "tell" a terran that i was "hacking" so i would get an edge played on the infamous account. But as the same replay proves i was caught of guard a few times and that should prove against the utterly retarded comment i made. http://drop.sc/257360http://drop.sc/257359http://drop.sc/257358http://drop.sc/257357http://drop.sc/257356http://drop.sc/257355Replays played yesterday: Me vs Dimaga. http://drop.sc/257363Me vs a 1800 point master. http://drop.sc/257364Me vs some guy on ladder.... http://drop.sc/257365And heres a few replays played BEFORE the accusation Me vs Catz http://drop.sc/197759Me vs a friend http://drop.sc/125546 I think Vralaren should be given a second chance! He is a excellent player with a very proving carreer coming-up! Earlier today, Vralaren and Evil cayenne invited ivansKi (also known as fnatictricky/Impa) to play in their clan war on EU server. Vralaren streamed the clan war himself on his stream 7 hours ago and here is the VOD. http://fr.twitch.tv/vralaren/b/33344788620 :14: Vralaren, Evil cayenne and Martin Larocque (fnatictricky/impa/ivanski) are on skype talking until 40:09 40:09: Vralaren and Evil cayenne bringing martin larocque to play for them in a clan war under the account “RegezThumZz”. While the game was happening, the observers (chatting in french) were suspecting RegezThumZz of maphacking from his play. 1:07:44: RegezThumZz saying he’s rank6 GM on NA in the channel (which happens to be ivanSki) I do not know much about EU server nor how serious their team really is. If anyone have played/is about to play them on a team league, I believe you have enough evidence here to get them disqualified from it. Hopefully, this will close the case of Vralaren once and for all. I believe once they realize this post has been made, the VOD will be removed which is why I took the liberty of saving it on my computer.
Nice catch. I'm sure we'll see more of his friends come around to try to defend this crap, which in turn is just making him look worse.
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Hacker name: RapDawg
Server: NA
League+Rank: Masters #5
Replay: http://drop.sc/258012
Description/what to look for into the replay: Sends a probe blindly cross spawn on antiga to proxy gate
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Hey, I've done a search and seen that there are already many replays of this guy but just thought I'd add another
Server: NA
ID: RapDawg
http://drop.sc/258014 <- Replay
First note the scouting in this game... double overlord scout cross map on entombed?
then note the lack of scouting into my main, yet, the huge macro advantage he blindly gives himself at every point, opening, transitions etc
im sure theres more to note from this replay i didnt analyze it that heavily, thought it was pretty straightforward.. and obvious
17:30 and onward watch our roach engagement. Im pretty sure hes using some kind of burrow hack
19:30 and onward, watch very closely, he randomly clicks his army into his main for no reason right before I am about to use infestors to kill his hive
anyway this guy has been around for awhile and has always been hacking/trolling, I've been drop hacked by him before too.
lets get him banned!
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