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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
May 26 2012 21:54 GMT
#61
On May 27 2012 06:20 Chelch wrote:
Why were you scared of the cannons against Incontrol if you had a PDD?


I think it was a bad decision to move back. IIRC he says he was simply unfamiliar with the situation, so he ended up making a bad move (going back home). Then again, if he had moved back but saved his CC, the game could have played out longer (especially since Terran can lift off his main base while protoss can't -- since the protoss doesn't have colossus tech neither, the terran could easily contain the protoss in his main). Also I think he said there was only 1 sentry, but he didn't realize, or something.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 22:35:14
May 26 2012 22:27 GMT
#62
On May 27 2012 04:46 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Just saw the one vs SlayerSRyu

Got a question about your build:

Since you get a 2nd factory before the first starport, is this build weak (is it considered auto-lose) to 1 base tank pushes? Usually I get the starport before the 2nd factory so that I can get vikings out faster, and get my raven earlier. Maybe it is only weak to 1 base tank pushes on maps without natural ramps, or maybe the hellion drop will do enough damage if he pushes out to allow you to sac a lot of SCVs to defend? Or maybe you adapt somehow?

Also, if he goes cloak banshee, your viking is only starting at 7:30. Similar to the last question, does the hellion harass keep you in the game or maybe even forces the banshee to go home? Because even if you do scan his main to see what he's doing at 6:30, maybe he proxied his starport, or your scan missed it, or such, and wouldn't expect cloaked banshees.


Thanks in advance!


Hmmm, well you see, for that very reason this build will only be above 50% win ratio if you do it on large maps such as shakruas, antiga, TDA, cloud, and others. You can defend a tank push by scanning @5:30 as i mentioned, and instead of going BFH first, you get squeeze out 1 tank and siege tech asap, and build 2 bunkers with a viking. Obviously if you just go for BFH and no tanks you will autolose. As long as you squeeze siege tech + a tank and have 2 bunkers, you will crush the push.

Regarding proxy cloak.. by scanning @5:30 and seeing the tech inside his base you can deduce if he is making proxy factory+ if you see only the rax with a reactor on reactor, this is extremely suspicious and it then comes down to your game sense (whether that be proxy thors, or cloak) either way you need atleast 2 bunkers at natural and engi bay @6:00.

I hope this helps.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 07:23:34
May 27 2012 07:23 GMT
#63
On May 27 2012 07:27 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 04:46 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Just saw the one vs SlayerSRyu

Got a question about your build:

Since you get a 2nd factory before the first starport, is this build weak (is it considered auto-lose) to 1 base tank pushes? Usually I get the starport before the 2nd factory so that I can get vikings out faster, and get my raven earlier. Maybe it is only weak to 1 base tank pushes on maps without natural ramps, or maybe the hellion drop will do enough damage if he pushes out to allow you to sac a lot of SCVs to defend? Or maybe you adapt somehow?

Also, if he goes cloak banshee, your viking is only starting at 7:30. Similar to the last question, does the hellion harass keep you in the game or maybe even forces the banshee to go home? Because even if you do scan his main to see what he's doing at 6:30, maybe he proxied his starport, or your scan missed it, or such, and wouldn't expect cloaked banshees.


Thanks in advance!


Hmmm, well you see, for that very reason this build will only be above 50% win ratio if you do it on large maps such as shakruas, antiga, TDA, cloud, and others. You can defend a tank push by scanning @5:30 as i mentioned, and instead of going BFH first, you get squeeze out 1 tank and siege tech asap, and build 2 bunkers with a viking. Obviously if you just go for BFH and no tanks you will autolose. As long as you squeeze siege tech + a tank and have 2 bunkers, you will crush the push.

Regarding proxy cloak.. by scanning @5:30 and seeing the tech inside his base you can deduce if he is making proxy factory+ if you see only the rax with a reactor on reactor, this is extremely suspicious and it then comes down to your game sense (whether that be proxy thors, or cloak) either way you need atleast 2 bunkers at natural and engi bay @6:00.

I hope this helps.


Ok, thanks a lot!
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FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 18:41:31
May 27 2012 18:38 GMT
#64
On May 27 2012 06:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 06:26 Eshez wrote:
After watching the iNcontroL VOD I can safely say your statement 'my strategy and decision making is one of the best around' is really fucking wrong.


Deciding to all in because you know your not good enough to beat a player is decision making. Good decision making? That is questionable. Taking a game off of a professional player is impressive, even with an all in. Flipping a coin and hoping it works is not professional skill level, though. It is not impressive enough to make me want to listen to the "all-iner" that is for sure.


Instead of thinking about luck, think about probability. If I play high stakes games of poker online with the concept that their is some 'lady luck' that may or may not be watching over me, of course i'm going to get stressed. it's just a fundamental of mathematics that you have to manipulate in order to be successful. Get comfortable with 'luck', you'll have to work with it in any area of life.

And about BM. I tell people to leave the game when they have a 0.01% chance of winning because at that point both players should just get on with playing the next game, Ryung would play his next ladder game, and so would I; everyone's a winner. Staying in game at that point is just disgraceful.
Pawss
Profile Joined October 2010
United States12 Posts
May 27 2012 23:24 GMT
#65
And about BM. I tell people to leave the game when they have a 0.01% chance of winning because at that point both players should just get on with playing the next game, Ryung would play his next ladder game, and so would I; everyone's a winner. Staying in game at that point is just disgraceful.


Sounds pretty classy..
orz
FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
May 28 2012 21:45 GMT
#66
On May 28 2012 08:24 Pawss wrote:
Show nested quote +
And about BM. I tell people to leave the game when they have a 0.01% chance of winning because at that point both players should just get on with playing the next game, Ryung would play his next ladder game, and so would I; everyone's a winner. Staying in game at that point is just disgraceful.


Sounds pretty classy..


No such classiness as honesty.

Does anyone have any reps they would like me to look over?
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