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On May 27 2012 04:20 Smug wrote:
Regarding the "analysis" of my game. He said that I appear to 1 rax fe on shakuras and taldarim "most of the time".
He's just covering how all in he goes most games... I 1 rax fe most games, in every match up.
You got an analysis of your mistakes in that game, and I get exposure.
Everryyyone's a winner.
I just saw the new video vs Incontrol.
I liked it quite a lot. You mention important things (the kind of things i hope to learn when watching a video) such as what exactly you need to do, what you need to watch out for, what you need to do in X situation if Y. I prefer this a lot over Day9's videos because, although they can be entertaining and educational, they usually take too long to make it worth it. Also, he seems to focus on providing broad, general concepts, and then showing how you can apply those to a game, resulting in a couple things you should or should not do. However, this takes too long, and at this point I'm really just looking for the very specific things, like shown in this video.
I hadn't considered hiding the rax like that neither... that will come in handy!
Thanks for making these, I hope you continue to make more.
Thank you 
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This guy loves to all-in he just covers it up by saying his builds are "hard-counters" to macro builds, and hes definitely not "pro" level.
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On May 27 2012 04:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 04:20 Smug wrote:
Regarding the "analysis" of my game. He said that I appear to 1 rax fe on shakuras and taldarim "most of the time".
He's just covering how all in he goes most games... I 1 rax fe most games, in every match up. You got an analysis of your mistakes in that game, and I get exposure. Everryyyone's a winner.
I don't really agree with that, my mistake was simply a stupid move due to nerves rather than a mistake to analyse and correct. You are a cheesy player - which would be fine if you accepted it rather than trying to justify your one base plays as calculated.
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I do what wins, I find the cheapest thing to do and do it until it stops working for me. I'm not denying that!! i'm a cheesy brute, but it wins.
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On May 27 2012 04:31 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
I do what wins, I find the cheapest thing to do and do it until it stops working for me. I'm not denying that!! i'm a cheesy brute, but it wins.
That kind of mentality is fine <3
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On May 27 2012 04:31 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
I do what wins, I find the cheapest thing to do and do it until it stops working for me. I'm not denying that!! i'm a cheesy brute, but it wins.
How can you have high level analysis, if you all in and play cheesy every game. That doesnt give you "pro analysis" like you claim to have.
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On May 27 2012 04:35 GeeKBigOllie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 04:31 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
I do what wins, I find the cheapest thing to do and do it until it stops working for me. I'm not denying that!! i'm a cheesy brute, but it wins. How can you have high level analysis, if you all in and play cheesy every game. That doesnt give you "pro analysis" like you claim to have.
I don't have strong mechanics, so what? the appeal of replay analysis videos is discussion of decision making and not demonstrating how effective my apm is. You really think you would learn much from hearing koreans trying to explain what they are doing in broken and shy english relative to someone like day9 or me?
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Just saw the one vs SlayerSRyu
Got a question about your build:
Since you get a 2nd factory before the first starport, is this build weak (is it considered auto-lose) to 1 base tank pushes? Usually I get the starport before the 2nd factory so that I can get vikings out faster, and get my raven earlier. Maybe it is only weak to 1 base tank pushes on maps without natural ramps, or maybe the hellion drop will do enough damage if he pushes out to allow you to sac a lot of SCVs to defend? Or maybe you adapt somehow?
Also, if he goes cloak banshee, your viking is only starting at 7:30. Similar to the last question, does the hellion harass keep you in the game or maybe even forces the banshee to go home? Because even if you do scan his main to see what he's doing at 6:30, maybe he proxied his starport, or your scan missed it, or such, and wouldn't expect cloaked banshees.
Thanks in advance!
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On May 27 2012 04:29 Smug wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 04:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote:On May 27 2012 04:20 Smug wrote:
Regarding the "analysis" of my game. He said that I appear to 1 rax fe on shakuras and taldarim "most of the time".
He's just covering how all in he goes most games... I 1 rax fe most games, in every match up. You got an analysis of your mistakes in that game, and I get exposure. Everryyyone's a winner. I don't really agree with that, my mistake was simply a stupid move due to nerves rather than a mistake to analyse and correct. You are a cheesy player - which would be fine if you accepted it rather than trying to justify your one base plays as calculated.
Even if you messed up and know why you messed up, it is something to point out to the viewer so they understand that it's not what the opponent (you) should have done, so in a way it is still analysis.
Also, he didn't even use those words, of justifying his base plays as calculated... Or maybe it was in one of the videos?
Even so, his all-ins are not cheeses. A cheese is something that, when scouted, is basically auto-lose. However, with superior micro, you can always win with an all-in build. Think of MVP doing a 1/1/1 marine tank banshee all-in versus a mid-masters NA protoss player. The latter would probably lose, even though he knows what's coming.
Hence, an all-in is a "calculated" build. A cheese is something relying more on luck, though you could even call that calculated -- when you perform a cheese, you should know how you can win, and how you may lose. In that way, you know the risks; the build is calculated.
On May 27 2012 04:35 GeeKBigOllie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 04:31 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
I do what wins, I find the cheapest thing to do and do it until it stops working for me. I'm not denying that!! i'm a cheesy brute, but it wins. How can you have high level analysis, if you all in and play cheesy every game. That doesnt give you "pro analysis" like you claim to have.
First, "every" is not true.
Second, what is a "professional level of analysis" is subjective.
Third, you can analyze a game without being good at it. The skills needed to play SC2 well and analyze SC2 well may be complimentary, but they are most definitely not directly related.
So, if you don't think this is high enough analysis (or the analysis is not done well enough, that is, explained to a professionally-polished extent), that's fine. But to support your opinion in the way you did, is quite unreasonable.
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is that seriously Ryung playing? Like, seriously?
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On May 27 2012 04:55 Djin)ftw( wrote:
is that seriously Ryung playing? Like, seriously?
Nope, probably not. Of what I know, ryung (as well as alicia, MMA, ganzi, etc.) use Cella's account to ladder on NA. And plus, this one is named SlayerSRyu. SlayerSRyung fits under the 12 character limit, so I don't see a reason why he would shorten it to "Ryu"
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Ive seen this guy play quite a lot and ive played against him a couple of times, and spoke to lots of people who have played him, and he cheeses a lot of the time. Maybe "every game" was a bit over the top, but he does all in very frequently.
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On May 27 2012 05:06 GeeKBigOllie wrote:
Ive seen this guy play quite a lot and ive played against him a couple of times, and spoke to lots of people who have played him, and he cheeses a lot of the time. Maybe "every game" was a bit over the top, but he does all in very frequently.
Thanks for clarifying -- I assumed you meant "every" to be used as an exaggeration (certainly no one would all-in EVERY game... right? xD I understood you just meant to portray that he all-ins a lot), but my points still stand that a player's ability to play may be different from how well he can analyze a game.
But then you could say there are just 2 interpretations of "pro analysis". One is that it is a professional player analyzing a game (in this case, you would be right, it's not quite professional then, though it is relatively high level on the ladder). The other is that the analyzing itself is professional -- whatever that means, whether it is that the analysis is at a high quality and/or the analysis is done well.
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So let me get this straight,
A high masters player who rarely plays past 1 base claims to be "semi pro".
Posts a video vs ryung (not even the real ryung) and bms him.
Randomly claims to have high analytical skills with nothing to base it on. I would'nt give a crap if you were more humble about the way you approached this, but... all I see is delusion and arrogance
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I understand the people that say " ey, he is making a contribution to the community" but really I hate false advertising, the only reason I opened this thread was because it said " pro Terran Analysis". Did it, to find out you where an all-inner, I have no problem about that but that means you have no understanding of the lategame and much less pro analysis.
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After all the thing i said about him being a cheesy/all innish player, i did enjoy the analysis of the game against incontrol, as a protoss player it gave me more insight into a terran's mindest and timings when doing 1-1-1.
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This one time, a team called vT gaming was going give me a free t-shirt but that never fell through. feelbadman.jpg i was never pro either.
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Why were you scared of the cannons against Incontrol if you had a PDD?
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After watching the iNcontroL VOD I can safely say your statement 'my strategy and decision making is one of the best around' is really fucking wrong.
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On May 27 2012 06:26 Eshez wrote:
After watching the iNcontroL VOD I can safely say your statement 'my strategy and decision making is one of the best around' is really fucking wrong.
Deciding to all in because you know your not good enough to beat a player is decision making. Good decision making? That is questionable. Taking a game off of a professional player is impressive, even with an all in. Flipping a coin and hoping it works is not professional skill level, though. It is not impressive enough to make me want to listen to the "all-iner" that is for sure.
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