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Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
May 26 2012 07:01 GMT
#21
On May 26 2012 15:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 10:52 Simbaaaa wrote:
I don't see why you would blatantly lie about 2200 elo being 'close to grandmaster' when in reality it isn't even close, like, its the difference from diamond to Grandmaster in sc2


Considering 2400 is classified as grandmasters in the chess world and 2600 up is world class. 2200 is equivilate to national masters.

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.

Despite all of that, this was regarding "analysis" not any history of chess he may have.


2200 wouldn't even get you to FM, let alone IM or GM (GM is >2500).

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
May 26 2012 07:48 GMT
#22
On May 26 2012 16:01 Daniel C wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 15:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On May 26 2012 10:52 Simbaaaa wrote:
I don't see why you would blatantly lie about 2200 elo being 'close to grandmaster' when in reality it isn't even close, like, its the difference from diamond to Grandmaster in sc2


Considering 2400 is classified as grandmasters in the chess world and 2600 up is world class. 2200 is equivilate to national masters.

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.

Despite all of that, this was regarding "analysis" not any history of chess he may have.


2200 wouldn't even get you to FM, let alone IM or GM (GM is >2500).

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system

If you look at the elo rating you will see where I got my information/research. Gg? Thought so. Now like I said this topic was about his analysis not his chess history. Don't know why another random individual wants to flaunt flawed knowledge and not discuss the direct topic.
ScrubbleS
Profile Joined December 2010
United States74 Posts
May 26 2012 07:53 GMT
#23
You're not pro. Iv'e seen you play. You remember me from starcraftcentral.net. such false advertiseee
LTK Scrubbles.1563
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
May 26 2012 07:57 GMT
#24
On May 26 2012 16:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 16:01 Daniel C wrote:
On May 26 2012 15:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On May 26 2012 10:52 Simbaaaa wrote:
I don't see why you would blatantly lie about 2200 elo being 'close to grandmaster' when in reality it isn't even close, like, its the difference from diamond to Grandmaster in sc2


Considering 2400 is classified as grandmasters in the chess world and 2600 up is world class. 2200 is equivilate to national masters.

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.

Despite all of that, this was regarding "analysis" not any history of chess he may have.


2200 wouldn't even get you to FM, let alone IM or GM (GM is >2500).

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system

If you look at the elo rating you will see where I got my information/research. Gg? Thought so. Now like I said this topic was about his analysis not his chess history. Don't know why another random individual wants to flaunt flawed knowledge and not discuss the direct topic.


http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=58&view=article
From the FIDE handbook itself:

1.5 Requirements for award of the title, having achieved norm
1.52 To have achieved at some time or other a rating as follows:
GM ≥2500

I hold no grudge against you nor the OP, I only wish to correct flawed knowledge when flaunted as fact.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
May 26 2012 08:32 GMT
#25
On May 26 2012 16:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 16:01 Daniel C wrote:
On May 26 2012 15:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On May 26 2012 10:52 Simbaaaa wrote:
I don't see why you would blatantly lie about 2200 elo being 'close to grandmaster' when in reality it isn't even close, like, its the difference from diamond to Grandmaster in sc2


Considering 2400 is classified as grandmasters in the chess world and 2600 up is world class. 2200 is equivilate to national masters.

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.

Despite all of that, this was regarding "analysis" not any history of chess he may have.


2200 wouldn't even get you to FM, let alone IM or GM (GM is >2500).

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system

If you look at the elo rating you will see where I got my information/research. Gg? Thought so. Now like I said this topic was about his analysis not his chess history. Don't know why another random individual wants to flaunt flawed knowledge and not discuss the direct topic.


You're wrong.

FIDE master = 2300 rating
International master = 2400 rating + IM norms
Grandmaster = 2500 rating + GM norms

Saying a 2200 rated player is "close to grandmaster" is very wrong, as wrong as saying any random 2500 player is "close to being the best in the world". 300 rating points in chess is a world of difference.

Saying 2400 and above = grandmaster is very wrong. 2500+ is *required* and players can get well above 2500 without becoming a GM if they don't get the required norms.

If you don't want people pointing out your falsehoods, don't make them in the first place, and don't try to defend them once you've been called out.
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
May 26 2012 09:05 GMT
#26
Jesus, people on TL can be obnoxious sometimes - i dont know are you a bunch of angry nerd-kids?

Guy posted a coaching videos, he is good player and suddenly only one or two posts are actually about content provided by him - the rest are nagging posts about trivial things like: "You arent good player", "You BM Korean!!!", "You arent close to GM", and most of all "You called yourself pro - how dare you!?"

It is funny how bitchy nerds can be.

TO OP - care only about to the point posts, ignore the angry, bitchy kids.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 26 2012 09:29 GMT
#27
zzz. god you people make me so angry.

someone's contributing something on his own free time and will. honestly the negativity and hostility towards people who want to involved with the community just discourages more people from wanting to contribute if all they see is a bunch of whining and zero actual feedback.

please just keep your mouth shut if you're going to attempt call someone out and delegitimize their contributions. it doesn't make anyone feel better or help improve content.

Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
May 26 2012 09:31 GMT
#28
I really liked the second video that was a really quirky build.

As much as I dont care, you really shouldnt bm on the videos you put out because a lot of other people will dislike your videos because of that.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 26 2012 09:34 GMT
#29
On May 26 2012 18:29 Gamegene wrote:
zzz. god you people make me so angry.

someone's contributing something on his own free time and will. honestly the negativity and hostility towards people who want to involved with the community just discourages more people from wanting to contribute if all they see is a bunch of whining and zero actual feedback.

please just keep your mouth shut if you're going to attempt call someone out and delegitimize their contributions. it doesn't make anyone feel better or help improve content.



Even if this guy isn't pro, I'm sure he's a hell of a lot better than the people deriding him. Even if someone isn't pro, you might still be able to learn from them. Anyone better than you can likely teach you something you didn't already know. I mean, Day9 hasn't competed in a single SC2 tournament, yet people will tout his word as truth but if a high master player wants to give advice, he's bound to have 20 bronzies harping on him because he's not Stephano. There's so much great content on TL, just check out what you want and ignore what you dont.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 10:03:18
May 26 2012 09:54 GMT
#30
On May 26 2012 17:32 Fenneth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 16:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On May 26 2012 16:01 Daniel C wrote:
On May 26 2012 15:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On May 26 2012 10:52 Simbaaaa wrote:
I don't see why you would blatantly lie about 2200 elo being 'close to grandmaster' when in reality it isn't even close, like, its the difference from diamond to Grandmaster in sc2


Considering 2400 is classified as grandmasters in the chess world and 2600 up is world class. 2200 is equivilate to national masters.

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.

Despite all of that, this was regarding "analysis" not any history of chess he may have.


2200 wouldn't even get you to FM, let alone IM or GM (GM is >2500).

Might help if you do research before you decide to make yourself look like a complete tool.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system

If you look at the elo rating you will see where I got my information/research. Gg? Thought so. Now like I said this topic was about his analysis not his chess history. Don't know why another random individual wants to flaunt flawed knowledge and not discuss the direct topic.


You're wrong.

FIDE master = 2300 rating
International master = 2400 rating + IM norms
Grandmaster = 2500 rating + GM norms

Saying a 2200 rated player is "close to grandmaster" is very wrong, as wrong as saying any random 2500 player is "close to being the best in the world". 300 rating points in chess is a world of difference.

Saying 2400 and above = grandmaster is very wrong. 2500+ is *required* and players can get well above 2500 without becoming a GM if they don't get the required norms.

If you don't want people pointing out your falsehoods, don't make them in the first place, and don't try to defend them once you've been called out.


He got his information from wiki. He got called out, but with no source. He defended himself with a source: Wiki. Apparently though, FIDE's site says something different.

There's nothing wrong with him defending himself, with a source to back him up, especially if the one doing the "calling out" didn't even provide a piece of evidence to support his argument. If you're suggesting that people who correct others are always right, and that you should never argue back... things just won't work very well. Or maybe you are suggesting that people should know more about chess ratings, which would be pretty elitist.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Pawss
Profile Joined October 2010
United States12 Posts
May 26 2012 10:04 GMT
#31
Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the SlayerSRyung video isn't the real Ryung...

http://sc2ranks.com/la/432534/SlayerSRyu

But on topic, for future reference, never showcase yourself as BM or arrogant in your replays/analysis and be sure to be more articulate in your videos. I don't think people wouldn't be so hostile against you if you were well mannered and humble. Hopefully this doesn't scare you away from making more videos, but you have much to improve on. Manner, analysis, articulation, etc.
orz
MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
May 26 2012 10:09 GMT
#32
The TL community really is on a power trip right now... Calling out everyone for the most ridiculous shit.
Why cant you guys just watch/not watch his VODs and shut the hell up ?
Its really getting out of hand right now to the point that i dont like reading TL anymore
MKP | Maru | Nada | Boxer | Supernova | Keen
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
May 26 2012 10:17 GMT
#33
Just checked out the first video (skimmed around).

The audio quality is decent. More importantly though, I like your voice.

I'm not sure how useful it is for a mid-masters player like me, (especially because, even if a player is better, the way a high masters play may not necessarily be "closer" to what a code S player would do than say, a diamond player), though I did pick up bits of info that were useful, but for anyone in diamond or lower, this should be well worth your time. Compared to other videos/shows though? IDK.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
May 26 2012 10:23 GMT
#34
The thing is that that is not about dedicating your free time, but rather promoting yourself with false pretences. That just doesn´t look that good. So if i go on youtube, thinking this is a pro player, defeating Slayers Ryung with his imba mech build, predicting the shit out of his opponent i might look into his coaching and so on, when in reality he is high master, played against someone who most likely isn´t even ryung and prepared the analysis to look good.
frontline-
Profile Joined March 2012
Bulgaria281 Posts
May 26 2012 10:29 GMT
#35
Well that sure wasn't Ryung , sorry.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 26 2012 18:04 GMT
#36
While I usually speak out against unnecessary negativity on the forums I think something has to be said about this guy potentially misleading his viewers and customers, considering that he charges $20 per hour for coaching and advertises said coaching beneath his videos. He 1) wasn't "near-Grandmaster" in chess, 2) didn't play the real Ryung, 3) isn't a pro Terran despite what the thread title clearly implies (and what his coaching site claims), and 4) can't reasonably be believed to have strategy and decision making that's "one of the best around". I hope people in the market for coaching are discerning enough to find a better deal.
FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
May 26 2012 18:54 GMT
#37


I made a new video playing iNcontrol by playing 1-1-2 all in. the BO is in the video description
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
May 26 2012 18:57 GMT
#38
On May 26 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 09:31 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
On May 26 2012 09:29 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Pro? No offense, but i've never heard of you.


My analytical skills are pro.

Who said, your mother?

Nearly fell out of my chair haha, be nice!
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
May 26 2012 19:18 GMT
#39
I just saw the new video vs Incontrol.

I liked it quite a lot. You mention important things (the kind of things i hope to learn when watching a video) such as what exactly you need to do, what you need to watch out for, what you need to do in X situation if Y. I prefer this a lot over Day9's videos because, although they can be entertaining and educational, they usually take too long to make it worth it. Also, he seems to focus on providing broad, general concepts, and then showing how you can apply those to a game, resulting in a couple things you should or should not do. However, this takes too long, and at this point I'm really just looking for the very specific things, like shown in this video.

I hadn't considered hiding the rax like that neither... that will come in handy!

Thanks for making these, I hope you continue to make more.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Smug
Profile Joined June 2011
England12 Posts
May 26 2012 19:20 GMT
#40
Regarding the "analysis" of my game. He said that I appear to 1 rax fe on shakuras and taldarim "most of the time".

He's just covering how all in he goes most games... I 1 rax fe most games, in every match up.
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