EPTHopefully whatever issues Eclypsia has can be solved, and then maybe we can start respecting the name....
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Postman
United States269 Posts
Hopefully whatever issues Eclypsia has can be solved, and then maybe we can start respecting the name.... | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message. Official Eclypsia statement in French (translation below) can be found here: http://www.eclypsia.com/fr/news-349.html On May 13 2012 06:35 oGoZenob wrote: Eclypsia statement : "Having different opinion about korea (note: they don't explain anything more) , Eclypsia and his international roster including artist, slog, scarlett and desrow have commonly decided to part way. It will allow these players to focus more on their goals, and eclypsia on its. We would have loved to find a replacement team for our former players, a team to meet their expectations. We wish good luck to these players that are, for us, really talented, it was a pleasure working with them. We will stay really active on the e-sport scene, and we wish to prioritize our presence on european scene The eclypsia management team" it does'nt really explain anything >_< And Welmu who is still on Eclypsia confirms that the team is not expected to disband: On May 13 2012 04:05 Welmu wrote: No, whole tournament has already been played to the end and team is not cancelling anyways >_> Slog will surely make follow-up post explaining everything~ | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG. I honestly think it's because she is simply the most talented of the four, is young, promising and with massive potential. I for one am just excited to see what she can do in a year or so with a good team. For the record, I know nothing about her other than her performance in MLG and the EC team league. It's just far too hard for new blood to climb the ladder in SC2 as it is, so when I see someone have a breakthrough on a big stage I get excited. Is she good enough to be on TL or EG? No idea. Though, comparing her recent accomplishments to some players on both those teams, one could certainly make the argument that she is. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On May 13 2012 06:51 babybell wrote: If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way. Goes to show that there are many people that have similar opinions on the matter but either don't care enough or are not willing to "offend" others. Well I disagree with your point of view. I don't believe gender identity/sex chromosome combination contributes to the gap we see today between men and women pro gamers. The reason, I think, that we see a trillion men pro gamer who are amazing vs. a handful of women pro gamers is because of culture; men/boys/male human beings just LOVE video games much more than women/girls/femal humans, that to the point it's a purely statistic/probability phenomenon...let's say you randomly sample 10,000 men and 10,000 women. Maybe 5,000 men play SCII and only 500 women play SCII. Then the probability of a man that is good at SCII is statistically much higher than that of a woman. Simple math, really. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 13 2012 06:51 babybell wrote: If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way. I have absolutely no clue why anyone would immediately jump to "female tournaments = females have a skill handicap". I guess European tournaments exist because Europeans have a skill handicap? So yeah, basically you start with the assumption that women are genetically inferior, and then go straight into the transgender ignorance. On May 13 2012 07:44 McBengt wrote: For the record, I know nothing about her other than her performance in MLG and the EC team league. It's just far too hard for new blood to climb the ladder in SC2 as it is, so when I see someone have a breakthrough on a big stage I get excited. Is she good enough to be on TL or EG? No idea. Though, comparing her recent accomplishments to some players on both those teams, one could certainly make the argument that she is. Even beyond her performance, her explosion in popularity (the activity on her fanclub is only exceeded by Idra's) makes her one of the most financially valuable open players on the market. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
Also, it's absurd that they no long share the same "vision of esports" or "vision of the future" when they just joined the (shady as hell) team a few weeks ago. Don't you think future goals are something you should talk about, like, extensively before joining a team? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:45 PassiveAce wrote: Rofl torte you MUST be kidding, how could you have missed that trainwreck xD I just didn't know it was an April Fool's thing. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much. How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4? | ||
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Ashes
United States362 Posts
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:55 IPA wrote: BS "different vision of future" break-up jargon. State the real reason please. These mush-mouthed, vague and meaningless announcements are ridiculous. Also, it's absurd that they no long share the same "vision of esports" or "vision of the future" when they just joined the (shady as hell) team a few weeks ago. Don't you think future goals are something you should talk about, like, extensively before joining a team? They did. Eclypsia changed their minds. Eclypsia says that they have a "different opinion on Korea," which means they don't want to send their players there, or support them living there. Eclypsia posted on their own website that they were willing to send Scarlett to Korea when she joined the team, clearly she talked to them about it and they backed off on the promise later. You are part of Eclypsia now. Why did you choose to join the team ? I talked to several teams after IPL. I chose Eclypsia because I really like the direction the team is heading in and felt very comfortable talking to the managers. Also they are giving me very good opportunities to help me pursue Starcraft 2 full-time, and even the chance to practice in Korea in the not too distant future. (source) Don't blame the players for this. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:51 WolfintheSheep wrote: I have absolutely no clue why anyone would immediately jump to "female tournaments = females have a skill handicap". I guess European tournaments exist because Europeans have a skill handicap? So yeah, basically you start with the assumption that women are genetically inferior, and then go straight into the transgender ignorance. Even beyond her performance, her explosion in popularity (the activity on her fanclub is only exceeded by Idra's) makes her one of the most financially valuable open players on the market. If you want to get really technical, there shouldn't be female tournaments at all because it's discriminating against men. Scarlett is getting through by a loophole of having a gender identity of a female. It's completely fine for her to be female, but it complicates things for female only tournaments. Which brings me back the point they shouldn't exist for a game that has no gender bias in skill, unlike most physical sports. Anyway this is totally off topic at this point so I'll stop discussing it. | ||
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Hesterace
Norway1 Post
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
Wonder where they'll all be going. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games. Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players. The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming. | ||
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