Andrew An @EclypsiaSLoG As of today Scarlett, Artist, Desrow and myself have left Eclypsia, I thank them for their support over the past few months and gl to them
On May 13 2012 07:40 Proseat wrote: I feel like the following ought to be edited into the op to stop the speculation and false accusations:
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
On May 13 2012 06:35 oGoZenob wrote: Eclypsia statement : "Having different opinion about korea (note: they don't explain anything more) , Eclypsia and his international roster including artist, slog, scarlett and desrow have commonly decided to part way. It will allow these players to focus more on their goals, and eclypsia on its. We would have loved to find a replacement team for our former players, a team to meet their expectations. We wish good luck to these players that are, for us, really talented, it was a pleasure working with them. We will stay really active on the e-sport scene, and we wish to prioritize our presence on european scene
The eclypsia management team"
it does'nt really explain anything >_<
And Welmu who is still on Eclypsia confirms that the team is not expected to disband:
On May 13 2012 03:28 FXOFairon wrote: Anyone know if they are going to stop Eclypsia Colloseum tournament ? Sad news, ofcourse that was expected, but it's always sad to see how really cool players joining teams appeared from nowhere, and then closing in few monthes.
No, whole tournament has already been played to the end and team is not cancelling anyways >_> Slog will surely make follow-up post explaining everything~
Similar things happened in Dota2, the Quantic team left Quantic to join Eclypsia, and ended up leaving before it was even officially announced. Seems like the Eclypsia guys don't really know how to handle their players or conduct proper business.
I said it was a bad team from the begining for that stupid april fools joke and it seems they are just proving me right ! thanks..but damn sad for the players I hope they'll find new teams
Interesting.... perhaps all those people who thought Eclypsia was a bit shady might not necessarily be wrong after all (neither necessarily right but you get the point I hope).
LOL. After all the news, I was really hoping Eclypsia would not be so bad as it looked. I bet they didnt pay them after all, and I believe they even lied about shipping Scarlett computer.
Really shittily run organization, it sucks for all the players involved.
For the few people who were BM'ing desRow for leaving, you have no idea what you're talking about. Wait for his vlog before you spout stupid shit, you don't know what happened.
On May 13 2012 03:16 tehn00bie wrote: Scarlett should have just joined Quantic when she was given the offer. Silly joining an only just established (I question that) team.
There was no offer as far as I know (just interests).
Well I had some unfortunate encounters with Eclypsia (--> Eclypsia Colosseum) and I know of other people (non players) at Eclypsia considering to leave as well because of a very shitty organisation of things
I see this as a good opportunity for these players, more power to em! Eclypsia seemed really shady to me and I'm glad these players are moving on before possibly being burned in the long run, I hope them all the best luck in finding supportive teams that will be able to foster their growth as players.
Saddest leave-up. Probably two to four of the most talented players out there. I hope they will find a home soon. Maybe at oGs haha one can dream. Anyway gotta go but good luck to you all, million kisses and farewells
On May 13 2012 03:16 tehn00bie wrote: Scarlett should have just joined Quantic when she was given the offer. Silly joining an only just established (I question that) team.
There was no offer as far as I know (just interests).
Well she said in her fan club that she turned down an objectively better offer. We don't know the team she turned down though.
Such a shame, was probably one of the more up and coming teams. Had the most talented foreigners and probably the sickest line up compared to other teams. Rumors say they will all join a korean team, hope this is true.
Its not like this is the "core" of their team so I dont think its such a big deal. Probably they will join a new team soon or there was a misunderstanding.
On May 13 2012 03:25 MenithZ wrote: Such a shame, was probably one of the more up and coming teams. Had the most talented foreigners and probably the sickest line up compared to other teams. Rumors say they will all join a korean team, hope this is true.
On May 13 2012 03:25 marcesr wrote: Its not like this is the "core" of their team so I dont think its such a big deal. Probably they will join a new team soon or there was a misunderstanding.
Actually artist kind of was, he pretty much took out zenex by himself to qualify and desrow 3 killed light pretty much the members who got eclypsia to qualify have left. They still have welmu and dayishi so it's not all gloom and doom I guess.
On May 13 2012 03:25 marcesr wrote: Its not like this is the "core" of their team so I dont think its such a big deal. Probably they will join a new team soon or there was a misunderstanding.
Actually artist kind of was, he pretty much took out zenex by himself to qualify and desrow 3 killed light pretty much the members who got eclypsia to qualify have left. They still have welmu and dayishi so it's not all gloom and doom I guess.
Besides Welmu, the core of the team is gone. Dayshi is good but not great, SarenS has been really struggling. :/
Anyone know if they are going to stop Eclypsia Colloseum tournament ? Sad news, ofcourse that was expected, but it's always sad to see how really cool players joining teams appeared from nowhere, and then closing in few monthes.
On May 13 2012 03:25 MenithZ wrote: Such a shame, was probably one of the more up and coming teams. Had the most talented foreigners and probably the sickest line up compared to other teams. Rumors say they will all join a korean team, hope this is true.
haha it would be sick if they all join a reformed oGs rofl.
interested to see how eclypsia deals with it this time... best of luck to the players, would imagine Scarlett getting picked up quite fast, unfortunately i dunno how desrow/slog/artist will do
Wow, when you have that many players leaving that soon after signing, it looks really bad for you as an organization, here is to hoping they, and any other players who may leave, find a better team who doesn't do the stupid kind of stuff the Eclypisia seems to have done. Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
She got her computer before the team disbanded, but she's having issues because her internet isn't good enough. It's not clear whether she'll be able to get it running anytime soon, she is working on it though.
It could be quite hard for Desrow and Slog to find a good team. (no offense to them, but they have almost no results to speak of whatsoever)
Eclypsia is kind of a hit & miss team for me (the meme contest etc), and after this, I feel like it is no longer capable of being a very competitive team at all (at least lineup-wise).
There were signs that Eclypsia is not legit. Sad to see that the concerns were absolutely right. Lesson learned, be careful about teams that come out of nowhere and promise ALOT.
On May 13 2012 03:31 Vapaach wrote: It could be quite hard for Desrow and Slog to find a good team. (no offense to them, but they have almost no results to speak of whatsoever)
Eclypsia is kind of a hit & miss team for me (the meme contest etc), and after this, I feel like it is no longer capable of being a very competitive team at all (at least lineup-wise).
Any team interested in Korea would probably want slog, I think he was one of the main people during the FXO fou deal so they'd want him to help manage in Korea.
Is it wrong for me to be happy? I mean, I'm sad that the players are troubled by it, and that a new team is about to go away. But I really don't like Eclypsia and will be happy when they disappear. Still hope the players find a new home that can actually do them justice.
Not surprised at all... with the way Eclipsia runs business, there was no doubt in my mind that this was coming. At least now Scarlett will get onto a respectable team that doesn't ignore contracts
The PR stunts and the DotA 2 situation made me a little dubious about the organisation. There also seems to be no mention of this event on their website or their social media pages, as far as I can see.
Such a sketchy team. Why do players join teams based on false promises? It's like a bunch of clowns get together with incredible ambition and no money and then pretend like they can support a cadre of players. Ridiculous.
Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
She got her computer before the team disbanded, but she's having issues because her internet isn't good enough. It's not clear whether she'll be able to get it running anytime soon, she is working on it though.
Thanks for answering me, i appreciate it, but does she own the computer or does eclypsia? In which case she would have to return it to them.
Honestly i still have no idea who or what that team is, heard of it and seen a few IPL team games but just looked like a minor team. Hope the players will find a nice new team to sign with soon. Best of luck.
I feel bad for Slog, Scarlett, and Artist. The 3 of them are all awesome players, and it sucks that Eclypsia was a big joke. I was interested in seeing what Scarlett could do. I hope those 3 get picked up by a much better, and REAL team soon. desRow just needs to retire.. half a year in korea and still needs someone to boost him into GM. Plus he's bm so I don't care what happens w/ him.
Best of luck to Slog, Artist, and the up and comin Scarlett!
Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
She got her computer before the team disbanded, but she's having issues because her internet isn't good enough. It's not clear whether she'll be able to get it running anytime soon, she is working on it though.
Thanks for answering me, i appreciate it, but does she own the computer or does eclypsia? In which case she would have to return it to them.
Presumably she owns it, it'd be pretty weird if they somehow managed to take it back after the fact. Considering what happened, she's well within her rights to keep it.
It's sketchy, but it's even worse that these players don't go public with why they left the team. Fucking make it known to the community if Eclypsia is involved with shady deals or something.
Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
She got her computer before the team disbanded, but she's having issues because her internet isn't good enough. It's not clear whether she'll be able to get it running anytime soon, she is working on it though.
Thanks for answering me, i appreciate it, but does she own the computer or does eclypsia? In which case she would have to return it to them.
Presumably she owns it, it'd be pretty weird if they somehow managed to take it back after the fact. Considering what happened, she's well within her rights to keep it.
For the few people who were BM'ing desRow for leaving, you have no idea what you're talking about. Wait for his vlog before you spout stupid shit, you don't know what happened.
You seems to know a lot more about that case than most people in this thread. That's cool. But either you reveal what all of this is about, or you wait for the detail to be revealed (desRow vlog, etc), but don't bash people for making assumptions when they have less information.
Does this mean Scarlett won't be able to stream? I was hoping to see her stream to see if she was as good as people were saying.
She got her computer before the team disbanded, but she's having issues because her internet isn't good enough. It's not clear whether she'll be able to get it running anytime soon, she is working on it though.
Thanks for answering me, i appreciate it, but does she own the computer or does eclypsia? In which case she would have to return it to them.
Presumably she owns it, it'd be pretty weird if they somehow managed to take it back after the fact. Considering what happened, she's well within her rights to keep it.
For the few people who were BM'ing desRow for leaving, you have no idea what you're talking about. Wait for his vlog before you spout stupid shit, you don't know what happened.
You seems to know a lot more about that case than most people in this thread. That's cool. But either you reveal what all of this is about, or you wait for the detail to be revealed (desRow vlog, etc), but don't bash people for making assumptions when they have less information.
I don't need insider information to know that four players leaving a team at the same time is definitely not desrow's fault.
Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
Players/managers need to be more careful out there. A lot of people are going to pray on hopefuls who are looking for the next big step for SC2. It has happened before, and it's still happening.
On May 13 2012 03:57 Torte de Lini wrote: What is this April Fool's topic you're talking about.
On April 1st they conscripted Welmu, one of their players, to write a 'mock' post cautioning people on TL about Eclypsia being shady and incapable of paying out to their players.
On May 13 2012 03:56 Fionn wrote: Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
They have financial backing because it's an company (so it has to be registered somewhere) but it's owned by another screen company. Lelfe wrote a good article on it a while ago. Sadly it's in french, and I have not enough courage to translate it.
On May 13 2012 03:28 FXOFairon wrote: Anyone know if they are going to stop Eclypsia Colloseum tournament ? Sad news, ofcourse that was expected, but it's always sad to see how really cool players joining teams appeared from nowhere, and then closing in few monthes.
No, whole tournament has already been played to the end and team is not cancelling anyways >_> Slog will surely make follow-up post explaining everything~
On May 13 2012 03:25 marcesr wrote: Its not like this is the "core" of their team so I dont think its such a big deal. Probably they will join a new team soon or there was a misunderstanding.
On May 13 2012 03:56 Fionn wrote: Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
They have financial backing because it's an company (so it has to be registered somewhere) but it's owned by another screen company. Lelfe wrote a good article on it a while ago. Sadly it's in french, and I have not enough courage to translate it.
Pretty sure the mods changed the actual thread title to that from something like "Eclypsia royally screwed over everyone" or something too. To make it more mild before closing it completely. lol.
As much as the team is a complete joke, I really feel bad for the players, I hope that they all find a good home, and that EC is disbanded, this is an atrocious track record and they're only harming players.
On May 13 2012 03:56 Fionn wrote: Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
They have financial backing because it's an company (so it has to be registered somewhere) but it's owned by another screen company. Lelfe wrote a good article on it a while ago. Sadly it's in french, and I have not enough courage to translate it.
On May 13 2012 03:28 FXOFairon wrote: Anyone know if they are going to stop Eclypsia Colloseum tournament ? Sad news, ofcourse that was expected, but it's always sad to see how really cool players joining teams appeared from nowhere, and then closing in few monthes.
No, whole tournament has already been played to the end and team is not cancelling anyways >_> Slog will surely make follow-up post explaining everything~
They come off as a pretty unprofessional organization so I'm not suprised players are jumping ship. Hopefully Scarlett will actually get on a decent team now.
Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
I feel really bad for the players, especially Scarlett. After she was "discovered" at IPL it's a shame to see that she left the team she joined to soon. Hope she can find another team fast as well as the other players!
On May 13 2012 03:56 Fionn wrote: Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
They have financial backing because it's an company (so it has to be registered somewhere) but it's owned by another screen company. Lelfe wrote a good article on it a while ago. Sadly it's in french, and I have not enough courage to translate it.
Derrière ce site, se trouve une discrète société Anglaise, Media Circle LLP, qui possède tout un éventail de sites web plus ou moins sulfureux comme dingue2foot.com mais aussi belle-mere.com, et nous vous passons les plus pointus Extraits2Grosse ou Asiatrique, en tout plus de 500 noms de domaines sont déposés par la société
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
How can somebodies "views on eSports" change so drastically in a couple months?
So... What now? I'm not sure if any team right now would be interested in picking up desRow or SLoG... Artist has some chances due to his past and Scarlett, because she's probably the best female player right now.
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
Simply speaking, they just dwan to support the guys in korea? Seems like it accordingly to the people they dropped.
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
How can somebodies "views on eSports" change so drastically in a couple months?
Interesting but not really surprising. This team has seemed to be at the wrong end of the sword whenever there was news about them. I have no doubt that most if not all of these players will be picked up relatively soon, best of luck to them.
On May 13 2012 03:56 Fionn wrote: Wait...Eclypsia wasn't actually a team that came outta nowhere with money funded by an unknown source? Wait, give me a second, you're actually telling me with their hilarious meme contest and knee slapping April Fools joke that they are somehow not a real team or have any money at all?
I don't believe it.
I thought their mysterious benefactor was going to send them to Korea and they were going to win the GSTL. Damn, who could have seen this coming? They seemed like such an upstanding, smart and open team with a genius marketing head. I hope they can land on their feet and go sign a LoL team before they disband in a month after signing on.
They have financial backing because it's an company (so it has to be registered somewhere) but it's owned by another screen company. Lelfe wrote a good article on it a while ago. Sadly it's in french, and I have not enough courage to translate it.
Derrière ce site, se trouve une discrète société Anglaise, Media Circle LLP, qui possède tout un éventail de sites web plus ou moins sulfureux comme dingue2foot.com mais aussi belle-mere.com, et nous vous passons les plus pointus Extraits2Grosse ou Asiatrique, en tout plus de 500 noms de domaines sont déposés par la société
Baller.
Oh, God, this article...
To sum up for non french speakers, Eclypsia is linked (in some shady ways) to a group called Circle Media LLP who owns more than 500 web sites, including lot of porn ones among other shady things.
And this same group has been created by a man (Fabien Bénédicte Suant) who is the CEO of another group, Simple Group Limited, which is a tax optimisation company Girbraltard-based, whose shareholders are clients from some Swiss Bank...
The team's just in limbo right now; Quantic picked up the former squad of It's Gosu, and they obviously won't try and go back to Eclypsia.
Quantic picked up Vile actually.
Maybe Mouze will grab some of these players, they could use a little depth lol.
...Or of course Liquid'Scarlett. Dare to dream.
Well the Quantic recruiter said on Msspyte's stream (about a month or so ago) that they were looking to add some girls to their roster so maybe Quantic will try to pick Scarlett up after the first talk they seemed to have had after IPL4 :D
April Fools!!! Right guys? right? ..... Something must be seriously wrong with how this whole team is being organized for everyone to just up and quit. Good luck to them all. I hope they all find new teams quickly
Also didn't Scarlett say that a Korean team had a very serious offer for her? Maybe it's still on the table even if she chose Eclypsia's fake deal over theirs.
I think Eclypsia just doesn't know how to manage players well, hope these players find better teams suited to there needs. I think all teams need to really look at EG our Complexity for a model to run as. While these teams may not be the most successful they do have great talent and the players seem really happy.
After the DotA2 scandal, and now this one, I don't think Eclypsia is going to have any more credibility. Something is definitely amiss, just waiting for Eclypsia's official statement (if any).
What a surprise. Don't join weird trash teams, please, especially if you are new to the scene. You are going to be laughed at forever and potentially ruin your career!
This team was going to be a huge mistake from the get go. Everything they did was wrong and they even lied and said they had a 1million dollar backing lol
Surprised how desrow and scarlett didn't leave Eclypsia earlier after that ridiculous meme contest created by Eclypsia to have these two players mocked. Seriously how much worse PR can an organization have?
Really, really sad to hear this has happened. I hope all the players find new teams asap =/
That being said, looks like Eclypsia has pulled one hell of an April Fools joke. Make us think they're sketchy with their players, make us think it was an April Fools gag, then ACTUALLY be super sketchy with their players. Well played Eclypsia.
I hope Scarlett can find another team after this blew up in her face : / - not too surprised but still very disappointed when people who are flagrantly unprepared/uneducated in these kinds of things to take other people's lives into their hands.
On May 13 2012 05:17 Jinsho wrote: What a surprise. Don't join weird trash teams, please, especially if you are new to the scene. You are going to be laughed at forever and potentially ruin your career!
I don't think anyone is laughing at the players, especially now that they left so quickly. Especially for up and coming players it's really hard to get into one of the big name teams, so I don't fault them at all.
Wow... Just wow... I think eclypsia have broken all sorts of records when it comes to failing at eSports. Calling it a trainwreck would be generous. Really sucks for the players though. GL to them.
I'm confident the players are going to be picked up quite quickly, after scarlett's performance in the open bracket i was quite certain she was going to get picked up by an established team, this is just a minor setback for them.
I'm glad. Eclyspia made some stupid business decisions (The April Fools joke, Meme contest, postponing tournaments for illegitimate reasons) and as a result I haven't like them from the beginning. Many of these players deserve better teams. Not some joke team who screwed themselves over big time. All the Eclyspia people had to do was make a thread stating the players they've recruited and people would have been happy with them and looked forward to their players. But they had to do stupid things, get half of TL or maybe more than half immediately pissed off at the team. Never wrote any apology.
Next thread will hopefully be "Eclypsia Disbands, Players get better teams"
Seems that eclypsia isnt really all that good if all 4 of those players are leaving the team, seems like they're going to disband soon if things keep going the way that they are.
On May 13 2012 05:44 Eliwood5837 wrote: Seems that eclypsia isnt really all that good if all 4 of those players are leaving the team, seems like they're going to disband soon if things keep going the way that they are.
Isnt really all that good? Understatement of the century.
Eclypsia always reminded me of those 3 kids that started a clan and one had some web experience and they would invite people saying "yea man were gonna get sponsored and get team shirts and have a team speak and everything" I feel like I am back in the 1.6 CAL times again.
Fly by night eSports teams sprouting up, having no roots, then dying. It is sad for the people that lose out on tournament exposure from this. Any aspiring, talented progamer wants to find a team that's a good fit for practice times and location, then have future opportunities to build the team rep as the team supports the progamer in tournaments.
As far as eSports vision, maybe players were promised future team house, guarenteed travel paid to tournaments, then team owner rethinking what his investment level would look like in a year? Really hope desRow is right on salary obligations met, regardless of how their future outlook crashed in the eyes of the players.
To be honest, supporting a team is hard work and requires skill. The people behind the team might have had good intentions even though it didn't work out.
I hope Scarlett will find a new, good team quickly. Maybe hopes of quantic scarlett can be realized? Complexity? Or perhaps Fnatic? Or, we can dare to hope - Liquid scarlett... :O. I'm just quickly thinking of teams that can send scarlett to korea...
The news on their website say "different views about Korea", dunno what it means exactly though... Maybe they wanted to concentrate on Europe while those 4 players wanted to stay in Korea ?
My french is really bad, but I think EC confirmed they released the 4 players and are focusing on an european SC2 squad. Maybe someone can translate their statement, but it looks like they parted ways by mutual agreement, so the players can be picked up by new teams and don't have to pay a fine or need to be bought out of their contracts with EC. Hopefully everything works out fine for the players, but this is really bad publicity for EC. They seem to be a legitimate business that pays the salaries, but they really need to learn how to deal with the community.
Tsk tsk tsk, totally saw this coming. I'm predicting this now, the "April Fools" thing was not a joke, Welmu only took it back because Eclypsia apologized/made amends and used April 1st as an excuse to brush it under the rug. They've been BS all along, promised big salaries but couldn't find sponsors, and now everybody on the team is figuring it out and ditching.
On May 13 2012 06:22 IMoperator wrote: I think that Quantic.Scarlett is the most realistic possibility, just because Destiny left so they can get another controversial zerg to replace him.
Fixed that for you. Not that Scarlett isn't good, of course, but we all know that's why Destiny was on Quantic.
On May 13 2012 06:22 theBOOCH wrote: Tsk tsk tsk, totally saw this coming. I'm predicting this now, the "April Fools" thing was not a joke, Welmu only took it back because Eclypsia apologized/made amends and used April 1st as an excuse to brush it under the rug. They've been BS all along, promised big salaries but couldn't find sponsors, and now everybody on the team is figuring it out and ditching.
desrow himself said there were no problem with salaries. We probably should wait until they explain why they leave before bringing the witch hunt's pitchforks
On May 13 2012 06:22 IMoperator wrote: I think that Quantic.Scarlett is the most realistic possibility, just because Destiny left so they can get another good zerg to replace him.
I'd agree. Quantic is the kind of team to pick up a player like Scarlett: kind of off-beat, disproportionately famous, and with a solid amount of potential. The other suspect is Complexity.
Disappointing for Desrow, the team had promised to send him to the next MLG, I am guessing it was the same for the others. It would have been interesting to see how he went after all the months he has had training in Korea.
Its shit like this that makes me think we really ought to have some sort of loose governing body to not have this happen. Though that's unlikely given the nature of the global scene.
Hmm there was some drama involving their dota2 squad, they said Eclypsya were forcing them to have like 5000 viewers per day when they were streaming if they wanted to get paid and players had to find sponsors themselves and all sort of crap :s
I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
Eclypsia statement : "Having different opinion about korea (note: they don't explain anything more) , Eclypsia and his international roster including artist, slog, scarlett and desrow have commonly decided to part way. It will allow these players to focus more on their goals, and eclypsia on its. We would have loved to find a replacement team for our former players, a team to meet their expectations. We wish good luck to these players that are, for us, really talented, it was a pleasure working with them. We will stay really active on the e-sport scene, and we wish to prioritize our presence on european scene
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
So she should deny the invitations? Also, she showed very good results at IPL4 aswell.
One thing that always confuses me aswell, is that the critics of Scarlett seems to think she's transgendered as a choice to win female tournaments, and that's just absurd. Afaik there is genetic studies that has showed that transgendered peoples brains are more like those of the gender they are not born as, than the gender they are born as, and from there it comes that they start feeling like they are a man trapped in a womans body or the otherway around.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
Bad news, indeed. I hope players made good decision, and I am looking forward to players/team statement and I hope all of them find another team asap - they surely deserve good practice enviorement and sponsorship!
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
He can't. Well he can but he will get instant banned.
On May 13 2012 06:21 Alvin853 wrote: My french is really bad, but I think EC confirmed they released the 4 players and are focusing on an european SC2 squad. Maybe someone can translate their statement, but it looks like they parted ways by mutual agreement, so the players can be picked up by new teams and don't have to pay a fine or need to be bought out of their contracts with EC. Hopefully everything works out fine for the players, but this is really bad publicity for EC. They seem to be a legitimate business that pays the salaries, but they really need to learn how to deal with the community.
Following differences of opinion on korea, Eclypsia and its roster includes internationnal Artist , Slog , desRow and Scarlett have decided by mutual agreement to stop collaboration.
This will allow players listed above focus on their goals and has Eclypsia on his own.
We would like to find a host team for our former players, who would correspondue their expectations.
We wish a very good luck to those players who are very talented for us and with whom we were delighted to be working.
We continue on our side to be very active on the e-sport and want to focus primarily our presence in Europe .
The team Eclypsia
That translation is using Google Translate so it might and WILL have grammar mistakes but you can get the general picture with it so thats good enough for me
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way.
On May 13 2012 06:46 whiterabbit wrote:
He can't. Well he can but he will get instant banned.
Goes to show that there are many people that have similar opinions on the matter but either don't care enough or are not willing to "offend" others.
On May 13 2012 06:35 oGoZenob wrote: Eclypsia statement : "Having different opinion about korea (note: they don't explain anything more) , Eclypsia and his international roster including artist, slog, scarlett and desrow have commonly decided to part way. It will allow these players to focus more on their goals, and eclypsia on its. We would have loved to find a replacement team for our former players, a team to meet their expectations. We wish good luck to these players that are, for us, really talented, it was a pleasure working with them. We will stay really active on the e-sport scene, and we wish to prioritize our presence on european scene
The eclypsia management team"
it does'nt really explain anything >_<
thanks for the translation I'm guessing they promised their players to practise at a team house environment in south korea, but they realized it wouldn't be a very good investment, since they don't have any really big names on their team to represent them in korea, and the other players probably wouldn't want to stay in korea for an extended period of time. But since they promised it, they offered the option to leave the team or surrender the chance to go to korea for now.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
So she should deny the invitations? Also, she showed very good results at IPL4 aswell.
One thing that always confuses me aswell, is that the critics of Scarlett seems to think she's transgendered as a choice to win female tournaments, and that's just absurd. Afaik there is genetic studies that has showed that transgendered peoples brains are more like those of the gender they are not born as, than the gender they are born as, and from there it comes that they start feeling like they are a man trapped in a womans body or the otherway around.
Allow me to preface this by saying I support Scarlett, and am interested to see where she takes her career.
Although it is obvious that Scarlett's choice to undergo a prolonged surgery to restructure the most fundamental aspect of human identity was not prompted by anything as petty as winning SC2 tournaments, there is a bit of a conundrum there regarding whether to treat her as a female or not. It is well-known that men on average do in fact have faster reaction times than women, and it's not entirely clear what effect the surgery has on this fact. Given that Scarlett has been leaving all the other female competitors in the dust, it isn't completely out of the question that her male birth gives her an innate advantage. If this is the case, it may not be appropriate to let her compete in the female-only tournaments, as she isn't really playing the same game as the rest of them. Then again, she could just be Tossgirl 2.0. We simply don't have any conclusive evidence either way. I'm not sure which side of the issue I come down on, but I think it's something that'll have to be discussed at some point or other. We'll have to wait and see.
As far as Scarlett herself is concerned, I think she should keep on collecting free wins against lower-skilled opponents. She's a progamer. She does this for a living. As long as she isn't cheating or in any other way degrading the scene, I don't care WHAT she does to make money, just like I don't care what any other progamer does to get their prize money.
That'll be the end of my little monologue. I find it very interesting, and it's what makes Scarlett such a fascinating player to me.
guys, cut it out with the transgender shit. this is not the time or place. i can't believe i'm the guy that has to say this, but let's try to think about whether our opinions, valuable though they may be, are relevant at all or not...
glglglgl to everyone.
(stop hating on eclypsia until we get all the info!!)
*disclaimer: if we have all the info then disregard that last part.
I'm guessing this has to do with the scandal/accusations against Eclypsia a few weeks earlier. Now all they have is Welmu and the French players, so I wonder how that'll turn out.
Anyways, best of luck to Artist, SLoG, desRow, and Scarlett on finding a new team. I'm sure they'll be picked up quickly!
On May 13 2012 06:46 whiterabbit wrote: Bad news, indeed. I hope players made good decision, and I am looking forward to players/team statement and I hope all of them find another team asap - they surely deserve good practice enviorement and sponsorship!
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
He can't. Well he can but he will get instant banned.
because he would be spouting more shit. theres nothing fair or unfair about her being invited to a tournament. call it female only if you want but the facts are the organisers invite people they feel like inviting and then those people play, they all happen to be female is nothing to do with it and the fact its even brought up is just passively bringing up the whole gender debate again.
On May 13 2012 03:07 Gosi wrote: You can tell desrow is a friend of Major. He's jumping teams like no other. Also the only exposure he gets.
This is the most idiotic thing I've read in a while...
Indeed, this is obviously only desrow that's acting retarded, and the fact that 3 other people are leaving too has nothing to do with the team at all...
On May 13 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote: guys, cut it out with the transgender shit. this is not the time or place. i can't believe i'm the guy that has to say this, but let's try to think about whether our opinions, valuable though they may be, are relevant at all or not...
glglglgl to everyone.
(stop hating on eclypsia until we get all the info!!)
*disclaimer: if we have all the info then disregard that last part.
They told the players that they'd support them going to/staying in Korea, which was a large part of why a lot of them joined, and then backed out on that offer. That's enough to warrant us "hating on them" even if we don't have all the info (which we don't).
I don't know if Eclypsia's management is trying to scam money somewhere or if they're just incompetent but I certainly hope these players are able to find new teams. I know Scarlett in particular had several offers before accepting Eclypsia's.
Hopefully whatever issues Eclypsia has can be solved, and then maybe we can start respecting the name....
I feel like the following ought to be edited into the op to stop the speculation and false accusations:
On May 13 2012 04:22 desRow wrote: Like I said in my original tweet, we are parting ways due to different views on esports. We had common goals when we joined but as time went on, it wasn't the case anymore. As far as I know, everyone got their salary and everything. Otherwise we would have mention it in our original message.
On May 13 2012 06:35 oGoZenob wrote: Eclypsia statement : "Having different opinion about korea (note: they don't explain anything more) , Eclypsia and his international roster including artist, slog, scarlett and desrow have commonly decided to part way. It will allow these players to focus more on their goals, and eclypsia on its. We would have loved to find a replacement team for our former players, a team to meet their expectations. We wish good luck to these players that are, for us, really talented, it was a pleasure working with them. We will stay really active on the e-sport scene, and we wish to prioritize our presence on european scene
The eclypsia management team"
it does'nt really explain anything >_<
And Welmu who is still on Eclypsia confirms that the team is not expected to disband:
On May 13 2012 03:28 FXOFairon wrote: Anyone know if they are going to stop Eclypsia Colloseum tournament ? Sad news, ofcourse that was expected, but it's always sad to see how really cool players joining teams appeared from nowhere, and then closing in few monthes.
No, whole tournament has already been played to the end and team is not cancelling anyways >_> Slog will surely make follow-up post explaining everything~
Not too surprised by this. Had suspicions that there might be something going on with the team since they had terrible marketing ideas with the april fools thread and the meme contest.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
I honestly think it's because she is simply the most talented of the four, is young, promising and with massive potential. I for one am just excited to see what she can do in a year or so with a good team.
For the record, I know nothing about her other than her performance in MLG and the EC team league. It's just far too hard for new blood to climb the ladder in SC2 as it is, so when I see someone have a breakthrough on a big stage I get excited. Is she good enough to be on TL or EG? No idea. Though, comparing her recent accomplishments to some players on both those teams, one could certainly make the argument that she is.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way.
He can't. Well he can but he will get instant banned.
Goes to show that there are many people that have similar opinions on the matter but either don't care enough or are not willing to "offend" others.
Well I disagree with your point of view. I don't believe gender identity/sex chromosome combination contributes to the gap we see today between men and women pro gamers. The reason, I think, that we see a trillion men pro gamer who are amazing vs. a handful of women pro gamers is because of culture; men/boys/male human beings just LOVE video games much more than women/girls/femal humans, that to the point it's a purely statistic/probability phenomenon...let's say you randomly sample 10,000 men and 10,000 women. Maybe 5,000 men play SCII and only 500 women play SCII. Then the probability of a man that is good at SCII is statistically much higher than that of a woman.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way.
I have absolutely no clue why anyone would immediately jump to "female tournaments = females have a skill handicap". I guess European tournaments exist because Europeans have a skill handicap?
So yeah, basically you start with the assumption that women are genetically inferior, and then go straight into the transgender ignorance.
On May 13 2012 07:44 McBengt wrote: For the record, I know nothing about her other than her performance in MLG and the EC team league. It's just far too hard for new blood to climb the ladder in SC2 as it is, so when I see someone have a breakthrough on a big stage I get excited. Is she good enough to be on TL or EG? No idea. Though, comparing her recent accomplishments to some players on both those teams, one could certainly make the argument that she is.
Even beyond her performance, her explosion in popularity (the activity on her fanclub is only exceeded by Idra's) makes her one of the most financially valuable open players on the market.
BS "different vision of future" break-up jargon. State the real reason please. These mush-mouthed, vague and meaningless announcements are ridiculous.
Also, it's absurd that they no long share the same "vision of esports" or "vision of the future" when they just joined the (shady as hell) team a few weeks ago. Don't you think future goals are something you should talk about, like, extensively before joining a team?
are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
I should've figured that if they had such a crazy April Fool's "joke" they'd be bad on their promises/players. GL to everyone that left, hopefully they can find better teams
On May 13 2012 07:55 IPA wrote: BS "different vision of future" break-up jargon. State the real reason please. These mush-mouthed, vague and meaningless announcements are ridiculous.
Also, it's absurd that they no long share the same "vision of esports" or "vision of the future" when they just joined the (shady as hell) team a few weeks ago. Don't you think future goals are something you should talk about, like, extensively before joining a team?
They did. Eclypsia changed their minds. Eclypsia says that they have a "different opinion on Korea," which means they don't want to send their players there, or support them living there. Eclypsia posted on their own website that they were willing to send Scarlett to Korea when she joined the team, clearly she talked to them about it and they backed off on the promise later.
You are part of Eclypsia now. Why did you choose to join the team ?
I talked to several teams after IPL. I chose Eclypsia because I really like the direction the team is heading in and felt very comfortable talking to the managers. Also they are giving me very good opportunities to help me pursue Starcraft 2 full-time, and even the chance to practice in Korea in the not too distant future.
On May 13 2012 06:33 babybell wrote: I don't understand why people are so focused on Scarlett getting a new team after all 4 players went teamless. Personally, I don't like Scarlett as a starcraft player. Her winning all the female tournaments is not very fair from my standpoint. Wouldn't be too thrilled to see her on Team Liquid or EG.
"Not very fair" from your standpoint? If you want to say something, just say it.
If there was no skill handicap (don't know if this is the right word, my native language is not english) for women, there would be no female only tournaments. Since I believe this is a genetic thing I am simply not convinced that merely feeling female is enough to make you female in every single way.
I have absolutely no clue why anyone would immediately jump to "female tournaments = females have a skill handicap". I guess European tournaments exist because Europeans have a skill handicap?
So yeah, basically you start with the assumption that women are genetically inferior, and then go straight into the transgender ignorance.
On May 13 2012 07:44 McBengt wrote: For the record, I know nothing about her other than her performance in MLG and the EC team league. It's just far too hard for new blood to climb the ladder in SC2 as it is, so when I see someone have a breakthrough on a big stage I get excited. Is she good enough to be on TL or EG? No idea. Though, comparing her recent accomplishments to some players on both those teams, one could certainly make the argument that she is.
Even beyond her performance, her explosion in popularity (the activity on her fanclub is only exceeded by Idra's) makes her one of the most financially valuable open players on the market.
If you want to get really technical, there shouldn't be female tournaments at all because it's discriminating against men. Scarlett is getting through by a loophole of having a gender identity of a female. It's completely fine for her to be female, but it complicates things for female only tournaments. Which brings me back the point they shouldn't exist for a game that has no gender bias in skill, unlike most physical sports.
Anyway this is totally off topic at this point so I'll stop discussing it.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
They should really consider disbanding now. I don't think they make any money with this and after all their "good advertising" noone will ever take them serious anyway.
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much.
How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4?
She beat Terious, Demuslim, Ddoro and Phoenix in bo3´s as well as kawairaiice and Avenge in bo1 and she won three female torunaments. Her fanclub has 3983 posts. Nestea and DRG combined won 4 GSL´s, 1 IEM, one minor MLG-event, one minor DH-event and were runner-ups of a blizzcon, the blizzard cup and 3 MLG´s. They got more than 300k in prize-earnings. Their combined fanclubs have 3953 posts.
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much.
How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4?
She beat Terious, Demuslim, Ddoro and Phoenix in bo3´s as well as kawairaiice and Avenge in bo1 and she won three female torunaments. Her fanclub has 3983 posts. Nestea and DRG combined won 4 GSL´s, 1 IEM, one minor MLG-event, one minor DH-event and were runner-ups of a blizzcon, the blizzard cup and 3 MLG´s. They got more than 300k in prize-earnings. Their combined fanclubs have 3953 posts.
So yes, she can be overhyped.
Fan club posts are not indicative of hype, she's a controversial figure so it makes sense that there would be more to talk about
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much.
How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4?
She beat Terious, Demuslim, Ddoro and Phoenix in bo3´s as well as kawairaiice and Avenge in bo1 and she won three female torunaments. Her fanclub has 3983 posts. Nestea and DRG combined won 4 GSL´s, 1 IEM, one minor MLG-event, one minor DH-event and were runner-ups of a blizzcon, the blizzard cup and 3 MLG´s. They got more than 300k in prize-earnings. Their combined fanclubs have 3953 posts.
So yes, she can be overhyped.
Just because she is popular doesn't mean she is overhyped. People aren't saying she is the best Zerg in the world or that she is better than DRG or Nestea.
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much.
How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4?
She beat Terious, Demuslim, Ddoro and Phoenix in bo3´s as well as kawairaiice and Avenge in bo1 and she won three female torunaments. Her fanclub has 3983 posts. Nestea and DRG combined won 4 GSL´s, 1 IEM, one minor MLG-event, one minor DH-event and were runner-ups of a blizzcon, the blizzard cup and 3 MLG´s. They got more than 300k in prize-earnings. Their combined fanclubs have 3953 posts.
So yes, she can be overhyped.
A foreigner that (quite) comes out of nowhere and take a game from Oz (as impressive as the other victories if not way much more, though vs DeMusliM i have second thoughts about the regame) can be hyped quite a bit. And yeah, postcount just show that there was something to talk about.
Btw, i heard so much more about Scarlett during these IPL than i heard about Nestea or DRG, even though they had a deeper run (which is not surprising...) in the tournament, because that was expected, where her run wasn't at all.
Really looking forward to deeper explanation of this by Desrow tommorrow/today/timezones are weird. If it's something as cut and dry as 'We're not helping you stay in/get to Korea, we want to focus on the European scene' then that's disappointing, and the worst case scenario doesn't seem all too unlikely considering the team's PR so far.
But if there's something more complicated when it came to changing minds - perhaps their (still unknown?) sponsor base wanted more Euro exposure and wasn't seeing the benefits of having people in Korea who seem stuck in Code B (but fingers crossed for Season 3!). Then it may be more understandable, however it would probably have been a better idea to find other sponsors considering the impact of this on the already low community opinion of the team
Well let's not write them off just yet. They still have a strong French division that they can probably get around Europe, and as for the International division (a.k.a. Welmu) ..... well Meet.Your.Makers have been going for a while with just XLord, and they just teamed with MVP.
pretty crazy hope Artist finds a good home to go to hes prolly the best of the lot and i know he wants to get more into the non- korean scene of Starcraft 2
On May 13 2012 07:54 Thylacine wrote: All the players are ''nobodys''. In my opinion. And Scarlett was over hyped extremly much.
How can she be over hyped when she hasn't lost anything since IPL4?
She beat Terious, Demuslim, Ddoro and Phoenix in bo3´s as well as kawairaiice and Avenge in bo1 and she won three female torunaments. Her fanclub has 3983 posts. Nestea and DRG combined won 4 GSL´s, 1 IEM, one minor MLG-event, one minor DH-event and were runner-ups of a blizzcon, the blizzard cup and 3 MLG´s. They got more than 300k in prize-earnings. Their combined fanclubs have 3953 posts.
So yes, she can be overhyped.
A foreigner that (quite) comes out of nowhere and take a game from Oz (as impressive as the other victories if not way much more, though vs DeMusliM i have second thoughts about the regame) can be hyped quite a bit. And yeah, postcount just show that there was something to talk about.
Btw, i heard so much more about Scarlett during these IPL than i heard about Nestea or DRG, even though they had a deeper run (which is not surprising...) in the tournament, because that was expected, where her run wasn't at all.
Although fan club size does ot reflect hype or skill directly, you have to agree, that the dimension of these differences is quite magnificient. And if you define hype as the proportionality of attention and achievments (wich I do), she is definitly overhyped.
Please remember, I say "overhyped", not "overrated", which are completely different things.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
Only women do attend, when has a male taken place in a female only tournament, do tell.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
Only women do attend, when has a male taken place in a female only tournament, do tell.
scarlett might have a few xy... in a lot of other main stream sports she'd have been authorized to compete.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
Only women do attend, when has a male taken place in a female only tournament, do tell.
Are you playing dumb ? The iron lady cup admin even stated that some transgender player played in female cups. Transgenders are female minds in a male body so pretending they are female is as highly arguable as pretending they are male. Its depends on your own point of view. Just because Scarlet decided that she would like to be seen as female (which i respect and agree with) doesnt mean that she technically is a female and that Everyone has to accept that. The point that scarlet dominates female tournaments might actually be discourage othe female players because it might indicate that male hormones might actually be the key and drving factor of successfull male gaming.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
Only women do attend, when has a male taken place in a female only tournament, do tell.
scarlett might have a few xy... in a lot of other main stream sports she'd have been authorized to compete.
Fun note above you, dude: "The gender discussion ends on Page 16. The Starcraft discussion resumes on Page 16."
Can't help but feel a bit of pain for Slog and Desrow (maybe Artist? not sure) out in Korea with no team salary to help sustain them there. Here's hoping that they have something sorted/can sort something out soon.
We were still on page 15 when i wrote this and nice backseat modding btw. Trollbaits like the posts i responded to should get warnings for stiring up these gender discussion every god damn time.
best of luck to the players, hope a team will pick em up and support them in Korea. I think Slog's skill set as a player manager will make him more marketable to any team than his tournament results
i know EG and Liquid are popular dream team picks for fans, but i'm hoping maybe Infinity Seven will pick up Scarlett lol
After reading about the DOTA team I'm not surprised this happened. Hopefully the players get picked up elsewhere. Mouz may been looking for players now they lost Thorzain etc.
On May 13 2012 10:54 HakunaMatataSC wrote: [...] Can't help but feel a bit of pain for Slog and Desrow (maybe Artist? not sure) out in Korea with no team salary to help sustain them there. Here's hoping that they have something sorted/can sort something out soon.
Well, there was some cryptic back and forth on twitter between FXOBoSs and desRow:
Joshua Dentrinos @FXOBoSs OK so a PS: question. Do you think its worth Korean-izing a non famous foreigner to make them a pro gamer? 7:01 AM - 12 May 12 via web · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting @FXOBoSs yes only if there's discipline n determination 7:13 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting Big changes coming soon... blog to go along with it =] #fb 7:46 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
Joshua Dentrinos @FXOBoSs @desRowfighting can I spoil? 7:48 AM - 12 May 12 via web · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting @FXOBoSs hell no slog would kill me Eskimo after last night 7:49 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
But I guess we'll just wait and see what will happen.
On May 13 2012 07:57 askTeivospy wrote: are there any studies on whether or not men are better than women at video games? Until someone links one thats from a reputable journal and has all variables controlled I'm going to have to say that its foolish to say either "men > women" or "women = men" at video games.
Eclypsia is just a lulz team though, probably best for all of them to be moving on
Kasparov said that women couldn't compete at chess. Then a Hungarian proved that wasn't really true and nurtured his 3 daughters into GM players.
The reason you have female tournaments is to encourage female progaming.
I agree, but it should then only be allowed for women to attend, don't you agree ?
Only women do attend, when has a male taken place in a female only tournament, do tell.
Are you playing dumb ? The iron lady cup admin even stated that some transgender player played in female cups. Transgenders are female minds in a male body so pretending they are female is as highly arguable as pretending they are male. Its depends on your own point of view. Just because Scarlet decided that she would like to be seen as female (which i respect and agree with) doesnt mean that she technically is a female and that Everyone has to accept that. The point that scarlet dominates female tournaments might actually be discourage othe female players because it might indicate that male hormones might actually be the key and drving factor of successfull male gaming.
IronLady has already gone over this before.
Discriminating against transgendered people encourages them to lie. It's easy to pick out Scarlett, because she's head and shoulders above the competition, so you can argue that it's "unfair", but what about other transgendered players?
And discriminating based on hormones is even more arbitrary...should only transgendered players that take estrogen replacement treatments be allowed?
Wow I was a little behind my Esports knowledge and didnt realize SloG was on Eclipsia. Interesting change of events I do hope they all do find teams where they can develop as players and continue playing. GL guys
On May 13 2012 10:54 HakunaMatataSC wrote: [...] Can't help but feel a bit of pain for Slog and Desrow (maybe Artist? not sure) out in Korea with no team salary to help sustain them there. Here's hoping that they have something sorted/can sort something out soon.
Well, there was some cryptic back and forth on twitter between FXOBoSs and desRow:
Joshua Dentrinos @FXOBoSs OK so a PS: question. Do you think its worth Korean-izing a non famous foreigner to make them a pro gamer? 7:01 AM - 12 May 12 via web · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting @FXOBoSs yes only if there's discipline n determination 7:13 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting Big changes coming soon... blog to go along with it =] #fb 7:46 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
Joshua Dentrinos @FXOBoSs @desRowfighting can I spoil? 7:48 AM - 12 May 12 via web · Details
Marc Proulx @desRowfighting @FXOBoSs hell no slog would kill me Eskimo after last night 7:49 AM - 12 May 12 via Twitter for Android · Details
But I guess we'll just wait and see what will happen.
Interesting stuff there man, thanks for that! Wondering what the 'Slog would kill me [Eskimo?] after last night' thing is about though Ah well, like I've said, VLog tomorrow will bring infinitely more answers than pure speculation.
That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
Was there even any official tournaments with open brackets since IPL4?
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
IPL TAC3 qualifiers (she beat Kawaiirice and Avenge), Eclypsia Colosseum (2-0 against Phoenix), top 200 KOTH where she went 5-0 against qxc and some randoms before forfeiting because she was sleepy
You can argue that it isn't impressive but think of it this way: in what little we've seen, she hasn't dropped a set.
On May 13 2012 12:30 tomatriedes wrote: Desrow has been on about ten different teams now.
='( I knew the moment we were gonna leave people were gonna say that. It's not a goal of mine to be the gosi terran of starcraft2. It was so nice to be on a team for once playing IPL TAC 3
sounds to me like eclypsia didn't have the money or the organization to make sending these players to korea and keeping them there work and wanted them to leave korea / not go to bring down projected costs. and / or have the players do more activity that directly raises revenue for eclypsia. players objected and wanted out of their contracts and rather than cause an even bigger controversy by getting into a dispute over it eclypsia actually made a smart decision and agreed to let them go.
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
Lol, completely forgot about the suncow incident. I wonder if he is still in the Middle-East or wherever the hell it was he was living.
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
in terms of SC2, I think Major has left ROOT the fastest too
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
Lol, completely forgot about the suncow incident. I wonder if he is still in the Middle-East or wherever the hell it was he was living.
I think he was a tennis trainer assistant or something in Egypt. Did you know Polish police is looking for him?
You guys are all talking about players that left teams because it was the player's fault, not the other way around. Scarlett didn't jump ship without good reason.
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
Haha, thank you for reminding me about that day.
That shit was fucking hilarious, I read through like 20 pages of some old BW thread about him getting arrested and laughed the whole damn time. Now THAT was drama.
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
BTW there was a guy named GoslTerran in BroodWar (although this may have been during his SC2 times, not sure anymore) that joined a team and left within48 if not 24 hours with public announcements and all xDD
i think suncow being dropped from mtw was the fastest i've ever seen
Yea that's who I meant although Gosl has a nice record too ^^
I think people should calm down about this - we don't have enough information to make this sort of judgement about Eclypsia. Does it look like an extremely unprofessional organisation? Yes it does. Is it a scam? No, there is no proof of that so far.
Welmu has confirmed that they all received their salaries, and just to remind you, that this isn't that common, even with some of the biggest organisations like SK Gaming.
On a French community site, Dayshi has said that SLoG, desRow, Scarlett and Artists wanted to go to Korea, while Eclypsia wanted to focus on Europe, and that is why they split. So far, we don't know if this is a result of false promises, or genuine change of direction of Eclypsia/the players.
So far, we don't know if this is a result of false promises, or genuine change of direction of Eclypsia/the players.
You are part of Eclypsia now. Why did you choose to join the team ?
I talked to several teams after IPL. I chose Eclypsia because I really like the direction the team is heading in and felt very comfortable talking to the managers. Also they are giving me very good opportunities to help me pursue Starcraft 2 full-time, and even the chance to practice in Korea in the not too distant future.
I bet the players wanted to improve personally (korea) but the team wanted to win small to medium prize purses (Europe/US). Desrow probably suffered the most from the falling out, because he personally stationed himself in korea prior to being on the team, but I doubt his vlog will reveal much.
My own feeling is that you can't recruit a bunch of randoms and viola - a team. You'll notice that whether you're talking about korean powerhouse teams or not, they usually consist of friends who play starcraft together, and by doing so, manage to elevate their games. Just look at ROOT example before the merger. And look, they still keep in touch after they get recruited by different teams.
On May 13 2012 10:57 MetalSlug wrote: We were still on page 15 when i wrote this and nice backseat modding btw. Trollbaits like the posts i responded to should get warnings for stiring up these gender discussion every god damn time.
Yeah you really can't be held responsible for driving a thread more off-topic ^^
anyways, Eclypsia seems to be a really shady organisation, to that also attributes that they accuse anyone of unprofessionalism whenever something goes wrong (though with that DotA action that might have been really the case). I'm sorry for the players who are without team now... But it think they have a good chance of finding a new team.
SloG has immense experience and speaks good english, Scarlett is a controversary but really popular figure (and it's really not her fault that they let her compete in female cups, grow up!). Artist is a solid player with good online results DesRow... yeah, DesRow... He's a very active community figure and did the risky move to Korea, we'll see how it all turns out.
On May 13 2012 12:34 iYiYi wrote: Isn't eclypsia a french team?
First Virus then eSahara Now this
These french teams are always so fishy. Expanding at crazy rates, it's way to obvious they are fake. Yet players still sign.
It hurts to see all these players teamless when they shouldn't be. Hopefully they can still find somewhere to go.
French scene has always been like that. There are a LOT of wannabes in the french esport scene. People come and go really fast and it's definitely one of the best scene to follow if you like drama ^^
I don't have a goddamn clue why everyone is hating on Eclypsia because people ar eleaving the team - as they stated everyone got paid, they just had a differance in direction regarding korea. You're all such stupid drama whores, it's like going out with a 12 year old girl reading these threads...there is no issue here...
On May 13 2012 12:34 iYiYi wrote: Isn't eclypsia a french team?
First Virus then eSahara Now this
These french teams are always so fishy. Expanding at crazy rates, it's way to obvious they are fake. Yet players still sign.
It hurts to see all these players teamless when they shouldn't be. Hopefully they can still find somewhere to go.
French scene has always been like that. There are a LOT of wannabes in the french esport scene. People come and go really fast and it's definitely one of the best scene to follow if you like drama ^^
If you want a local scene to grow, you need money. What is the money for? Support the players so that they can train and be better at the game, attend events, and overall, compete with the best. If you want to raise pro players you need money. Otherwise it only stops at amateur level and the scene goes stagnant. The only "legit" team in France (at least on sc2) is Millenium, long established team with sponsors and such. So yeah, you need money if you want to have a competitive team, even in France.
On May 13 2012 17:32 enecateReAP wrote: I don't have a goddamn clue why everyone is hating on Eclypsia because people ar eleaving the team - as they stated everyone got paid, they just had a differance in direction regarding korea. You're all such stupid drama whores, it's like going out with a 12 year old girl reading these threads...there is no issue here...
They told their players they'd send them to Korea and/or support them staying there when they signed. They then decided that they didn't want to bother with Korea, and pulled the rug out under three players who were already there and were no longer receiving support for staying there, and refused to send another (Scarlett) there despite promising when she signed with them that they would.
That is shitty and wrong and they deserve to get called out for it.
On May 13 2012 17:32 enecateReAP wrote: I don't have a goddamn clue why everyone is hating on Eclypsia because people ar eleaving the team - as they stated everyone got paid, they just had a differance in direction regarding korea. You're all such stupid drama whores, it's like going out with a 12 year old girl reading these threads...there is no issue here...
They told their players they'd send them to Korea and/or support them staying there when they signed. They then decided that they didn't want to bother with Korea, and pulled the rug out under three players who were already there and were no longer receiving support for staying there, and refused to send another (Scarlett) there despite promising when she signed with them that they would.
That is shitty and wrong and they deserve to get called out for it.
And the players thus left, there is no harm done, Scarlett for example got her salery and a new computer, everything else she was promised and they moved on. There is no need for this, none of the players are angry so why the hell are you? Jesus.
On May 13 2012 13:20 djSetz3R wrote: That seems to be the fastest I've ever seen someone leave a team in any sport (Scarlett) that was crazy did she even play in an official tournament besides Iron Lady under EC?
IPL TAC3 qualifiers (she beat Kawaiirice and Avenge), Eclypsia Colosseum (2-0 against Phoenix), top 200 KOTH where she went 5-0 against qxc and some randoms before forfeiting because she was sleepy
You can argue that it isn't impressive but think of it this way: in what little we've seen, she hasn't dropped a set.
Are there any vods of that? From what I heard QXC had improved substantially in the last few months.
i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
On May 13 2012 19:24 dreamseller wrote: i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
To be fair though, despite the lack of professionality, they did release them from their contracts without any hassle. They had already invested in the players (salaries, contracts, PC for Scarlett and other expenses).
so Eclypsia just changed their plans? Yeah we want to invest into Korea and hire 4 plaers just for that. Oh, it doesn't work out the way we'd like it, we'll just concentrate on Europe now. OK we'll have to let go of these players. Back to the beginning
Does seem like they just had an idea about Korea but no specific plans. And as soon as they hit some obstacle they just turned around...
Well desrow is never happy. That is how I see it. Just like that mexican dude. And Scarlett maybe went for an offer that was too good to be true. Or things just suddenly changed.
On May 13 2012 19:24 dreamseller wrote: i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
To be fair though, despite the lack of professionality, they did release them from their contracts without any hassle. They had already invested in the players (salaries, contracts, PC for Scarlett and other expenses).
did they have any other choice? judging by the other controversies with this team money seems to be the issue here, so EC could not continue to support the 4 players in Korea, therefore they had to release them from their contracts.
On May 13 2012 19:46 Heouf wrote: Well desrow is never happy. That is how I see it. Just like that mexican dude. And Scarlett maybe went for an offer that was too good to be true. Or things just suddenly changed.
Is dRow supposed to be happy that his team offered a false promise? lol.
On May 13 2012 19:24 dreamseller wrote: i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
To be fair though, despite the lack of professionality, they did release them from their contracts without any hassle. They had already invested in the players (salaries, contracts, PC for Scarlett and other expenses).
did they have any other choice? judging by the other controversies with this team money seems to be the issue here, so EC could not continue to support the 4 players in Korea, therefore they had to release them from their contracts.
There was no contracts but we made sure eclypsia was okay on how we parted ways before doing our tweets.
On May 13 2012 19:24 dreamseller wrote: i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
To be fair though, despite the lack of professionality, they did release them from their contracts without any hassle. They had already invested in the players (salaries, contracts, PC for Scarlett and other expenses).
did they have any other choice? judging by the other controversies with this team money seems to be the issue here, so EC could not continue to support the 4 players in Korea, therefore they had to release them from their contracts.
There was no contracts but we made sure eclypsia was okay on how we parted ways before doing our tweets.
I don't want to sound offending, but isn't it very fishy to be on a team for a month without a contract? I'm sure they paid you but in case they didn't, you don't have a claim to that money right?
On May 13 2012 19:24 dreamseller wrote: i have to admire the players for being so professional. it shows a lot of character on their part. i think we can all read between the lines though. it is very sloppy for a team to change their minds so quickly about their international focus after signing players.
To be fair though, despite the lack of professionality, they did release them from their contracts without any hassle. They had already invested in the players (salaries, contracts, PC for Scarlett and other expenses).
did they have any other choice? judging by the other controversies with this team money seems to be the issue here, so EC could not continue to support the 4 players in Korea, therefore they had to release them from their contracts.
There was no contracts but we made sure eclypsia was okay on how we parted ways before doing our tweets.
I don't want to sound offending, but isn't it very fishy to be on a team for a month without a contract? I'm sure they paid you but in case they didn't, you don't have a claim to that money right?
Doesn't make too much of a difference in the current state E-Sports IMO. Even if you have a contract, you're probably not going to sue your team when they stop paying you but just leave it instead. Nobody wants to file a lawsuit since it might backfire easily and you're probably not going to see any money even if you win.
I just hope other teams will learn some from this. You have to have a clear view on what you are going to be focusing on. In this case if it's the European scene or Korean. In this case it's just so poor management to sign players that clearly states they want to go to Korea and then do a 180 turn and instead focusing on the European scene after signing these players.
I can only speek for myself, but in my eyes Eclypsia has done a really poor impression in the E-sport scene. First with their intro which in my opinion is just the weirdest and a poor aprils joke to get some PR. And with their Dota2 team, they didn't seem happy at all with how they where treated. I actually thought they where doing the same PR stunt as when they appeared, but apperently not. And now they end up losing a lot of good players because they didn't have a clear view at what they really wanted to do in their future. But yeah. Good luck to all parties I guess. Hopelly the players find a new team fast which can hold what they promise.
On May 13 2012 19:46 Heouf wrote: Well desrow is never happy. That is how I see it. Just like that mexican dude. And Scarlett maybe went for an offer that was too good to be true. Or things just suddenly changed.
Is dRow supposed to be happy that his team offered a false promise? lol.
don't you know? Everyone mindlessly shits on dRow for any and all reasons, logical or not.
i feel like this should be edited into the original post so people don't have to dig to page 18 to find it. very insightful on the situation. thanks for posting it desRow
That just really sucks, considering EC continues to change their vision. It just sounds like they need to straighten up and find out what they want to get out of from their teams.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
+ Desrow has to leave Korea now he was depending on the team house being made.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
Well I guess this is where the root of our differing opinions is. I think the situation you describe is also ok. The company lying to you about their intentions to try and get you to take a job seems to me like a worse thing than leaving because it doesn't come through. You have to understand that starcraft players are skilled workers, and have leverage with their employer. Employers are in competition for the limited pool of employees, and if the contracts allow them to opt out, its up to the employers to keep their employees happy.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
if you translate your vision of the real world to reality, it makes new.
I am sorry to be blunt but what you have just said is one of the most ridiculous thing that has been typed in a video game forum.
Why do you think scarlett signed to them? Korea teamhouse, once EC said that it isnt happening, she and all the other players(as said by desrow this was a group decision) decided and had all the rights to leave.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
That isn't an absolute.
Things come up. Sometimes you have to leave because of something not in a contractual agreement. People have different expectations and sometimes things just don't work out. It happens in the real world and neither side are dicks for it.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
There is no contract. (at least for dRow)
Other than that, It seems a really dick move to promise something and don't have a good excuse for not fulfilling it. Plus all the embarassment with the PR, doesn't sound like a company I would like to work for!
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
Honestly, if you translate this situation into "real world terms" (where are we, the Matrix?), it's akin to Eclypsia being a terrible employer. The players are at no fault here.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
You don't have much experience with the working world, do you? The vast, vast majority of people who quit their jobs do it because they are unhappy with their current employer. If someone violates your signed contract, you sue them.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
You don't have much experience with the working world, do you? The vast, vast majority of people who quit their jobs do it because they are unhappy with their current employer. If someone violates your signed contract, you sue them.
Spoken like a true litigilist.
Pretty sure I've had more experience working than you, but it's ok. Words like company loyalty and personal ownership/responsbility towards your work tends to get lost under the swath of 'amg lawsuet inc'
If one joins a team on the expectation that a teamhouse would open somewhere down the road it's COMMON SENSE that one does NOT join said team until there is concrete proof.
Pretty sure I've had more experience working than you, but it's ok. Words like company loyalty and personal ownership/responsbility towards your work tends to get lost under the swath of 'amg lawsuet inc'
Company loyalty and responsibility to a business relationship is not more important than personal happiness. You are in a mutually beneficial arrangement. If it stops being beneficial for the employer, they'll end the relationship fast. You are no more obligated than they are to the agreement.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
You don't have much experience with the working world, do you? The vast, vast majority of people who quit their jobs do it because they are unhappy with their current employer. If someone violates your signed contract, you sue them.
Spoken like a true litigilist.
Pretty sure I've had more experience working than you, but it's ok. Words like company loyalty and personal ownership/responsbility towards your work tends to get lost under the swath of 'amg lawsuet inc'
If one joins a team on the expectation that a teamhouse would open somewhere down the road it's COMMON SENSE that one does NOT join said team until there is concrete proof.
Just like its COMMON SENSE that if you don't want your players to leave you sign contracts with them that say they can't for a certain period of time?
I'm starting to have a hard time believing these are your sincere opinions. And from what I can tell "litigilist" isn't even a word. Perhaps me and the others discussing this have given you the benefit of the doubt for too long.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
actually it's a very good thing. Lets say for example a job asks you to work for them over their competitor and they promise you great things, whether written, verbal or implied promises. If your employer reneges on those promises, I don't think you'd be a very happy camper. When it's not something as important as having a job or not having a job. It's a matter of being on a team with empty promises or having no team for the time being. These players made a very wise decision and clearly were communicating the same thoughts and all on the same page about how they felt they were being treated.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
Well, if you're unhappy about something at your job, you first go talk with your boss or whoever is in charge (that's probably what the EC members did). If nothing happens after some time, you ask again and if nothing changes, you just leave it if you find something better somewhere else.
Now, if you do that 10 times in one year, there's probably something wrong with you instead of the employers, but as far as I know, that's not the case for the leaving EC members.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
You don't have much experience with the working world, do you? The vast, vast majority of people who quit their jobs do it because they are unhappy with their current employer. If someone violates your signed contract, you sue them.
Spoken like a true litigilist.
Pretty sure I've had more experience working than you, but it's ok. Words like company loyalty and personal ownership/responsbility towards your work tends to get lost under the swath of 'amg lawsuet inc'
If one joins a team on the expectation that a teamhouse would open somewhere down the road it's COMMON SENSE that one does NOT join said team until there is concrete proof.
Is this how it is in Australia. In American you can leave a job for any reason (and an employer can fire you for any reason). I bet the majority of the time the only explanation a worker gives to their employers over here is that they want to work somewhere else.
On May 14 2012 07:58 hkf wrote: I sense its a case of "waaah send us to korea" "lol you're gonna get roflstomped by b-teamers" "fk u we quit"
pretty sure b-teamers will soon fade out as the insurgence of bw pros begin also.
i sense a case of didnt read anything
kay? because that's like, totally not an opinion or anything.
It sounds like they signed a bunch of players while saying that they are going to open a teamhouse in Korea, then kept flipping back and forth for a while until deciding "oh nvm, we're just gonna 'focus' on Europe instead". That, and like Desrow said, the players were not comfortable with EC's facepalming PR disasters.
Not sure if serious... Unless their contracts say specifically "in x months, we will open a house in Korea and you will live there for y term and participate/train for z tournaments", it's a really dick move to quit because they were "promised" a team house.
Why is that a dick move? It seems to me like the players are only looking out for their own best interests. Its not like thye are defaming the team or anything.
Lets say you get a job
Then you're not happy with the job for x reason, where x is not written anywhere specifically in your contract
Leaving the job because of something that isn't stipulated in a contractual agreement = not a good thing.
If you translate that to real world terms it would be akin to a jobhopper.
You don't have much experience with the working world, do you? The vast, vast majority of people who quit their jobs do it because they are unhappy with their current employer. If someone violates your signed contract, you sue them.
Spoken like a true litigilist.
Pretty sure I've had more experience working than you, but it's ok. Words like company loyalty and personal ownership/responsbility towards your work tends to get lost under the swath of 'amg lawsuet inc'
If one joins a team on the expectation that a teamhouse would open somewhere down the road it's COMMON SENSE that one does NOT join said team until there is concrete proof.
A contract is a legal obligation. If a company violates that contract, they have broken a legal agreement with you, and a lawsuit is your means of receiving what you are entitled to, or something of equivalence.
If a company hired you under false pretenses, it's COMMON SENSE that the company is NOT one you should work for.
Scarlett wrote in her fan club she is already in talks with 2 teams.
On May 14 2012 05:07 Scarlett` wrote: Don't worry, need no fundraiser ^^ ... Talking to 2 bigger / more established teams than EC right now who should both be able to send me
Also, about stream ~ fastest internet I can get where I live now is 800 kbps upload (not enough to stream properly). I will when I'm in a team house or gom house though >< sorry
*send her to MLG and she's talking about fundraiser because there was a talk in fan club about raising money to send her to MLG in case she can't find a team in time.
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