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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:54 GizmoPT wrote: ok but even if they reverted the patch zergs could still make lot of queens and it would be the same ? O.o no because zergs would have less range? you are saying queens are the same as before wtf? why would everybody complain if it stayed the same | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:54 Dingobloo wrote: What about the extra range has made them more viable at holding 4 gates that they couldn't do it previously? The extra surface area they have on a unit? Seems unusual. you cant kite 5range queens + lings on creep and the extra shots they get off on your zealots is huge | ||
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Grippe87
Sweden59 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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oxxo
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Cannon rush the expansion, go +1 zealot rush, do a 6 gate + robo to cause your damage or, you know, go void rays. The GROUND RANGE BUFF does not affect VRs into phoenix whatsoever. | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
Cannon rush the expansion, go +1 zealot rush, do a 6 gate + robo to cause your damage or, you know, go void rays. The GROUND RANGE BUFF does not affect VRs into phoenix whatsoever. No good zerg that is paying attention will let let his 3rd be cannon rushed, u cannot rely on that | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:42 GizmoPT wrote: this ^ i dont understand they say voids and phoenixs got worse when nothing changed in the air range lol... Really? It's not that hard to understand. Queens can now defend both ground and air attacks, thus making many queens is always good, thus phoenix+voidray is worse. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:43 Noocta wrote: Zerg is more likely to make more Queens because they will be as good to defend ground attack. 4 Queen openings were already pretty standard in ZvT aswell as ZvP before this patch (see:Morrow, CoCa etc.). | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:56 Spandy87 wrote: Doesn't really affect ZvP at all really, if Z wastes money on extra queens they don't have enough drones to support the roaches needed to defend the 2 base all ins that 90% of toss still do these days, much less max out after that. 5 queens is 150+150 extra. That's a potential 6 drones. Don't even try to tell me that 2 extra queens aids enough in defending 2 base all ins to justify wasting 300 minerals that could have been drones. Huh? They are also larva free, and with the range buff having a few behind your roaches is definitely going to be good. Building extra queens is definitely worth it. | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:57 Jinsho wrote: Considering this comes from TT1, I have a hard time taking it seriously. Cannon rush the expansion, go +1 zealot rush, do a 6 gate + robo to cause your damage or, you know, go void rays. The GROUND RANGE BUFF does not affect VRs into phoenix whatsoever. He doesn't talk about 2 base allins at all. He rather talks about 7-8 min pressure openings after a FFE. Not All-in at all. | ||
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Bensio
United Kingdom621 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:46 mTwTT1 wrote: yes but by making queens u have an anti counter to both ground + air builds now, queens are tanky units so u can have them absorb all the zealot shots while surrounding them with ur lings, also by having that many queens zerg's can start creep spreading insanely fast aswell, engaging on creep is suicide =/ Essentially this is good then, maybe zergs were supposed to build more queens prior to this patch, and we can take this as a metagame shift, rather than "so because Queens have 5 Range GtG->Zerg Makes more Queens->More Queens beat Stargate->Stargate not viable/Less viable. | ||
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Spiders
United States86 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
Queens are nicer, but again, I use them the same way. They are a bit better at zoning in ZvT and significantly better at denying scouts to my main. Both welcome changes, but not of huge impact really. All in all, I would call both changes "quality of life" changes. I don't gain any new crazy functions or utilities, but using the units in the same way I am already using them generally gives me better results. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
Sadly the queen range really makes +1 zealot a lot easier to hold which makes the protoss a lot more predictable, since it's the only effective pressure with a funky early timing. Everything else comes out at (very) roughly the same time. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:45 babbaj wrote: So, you want to sit and fatten your ass the first 10 minutes of departure, without attacking, without pressure or anything like that ... and supposedly have everything from head to win. Sorry if I exaggerate, but to pretend to equal or exceed a Zerg economically without doing nothing seems a little stupid. The main advantage of the Zerg race is oriented economy and macro. Way to totally take a qoute out of context and then argue against it o.O. He said that because of the queen buff harass is not (as) viable any more, and then followed up with that protoss has to do harass, thus he implies that protoss now are up in ZvP. Your post had nothing to do with that. | ||
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