EPTpvz isnt gonna change much at all, denying probe scouts which wanna see gas in main is the only thing, and protosses just head for the 3rd anyways to see whats going on
A legit discussion on the new queen buff - Page 16
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
pvz isnt gonna change much at all, denying probe scouts which wanna see gas in main is the only thing, and protosses just head for the 3rd anyways to see whats going on | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On May 12 2012 19:46 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: So what? Such a poll is absolutely stupid and meaningless anyways. That's a fair point. I've got a better version of the poll that should be both A) more hilarious to read and B) has more options besides the ones inermis outlined. Poll: What is your opinion of the queen change? As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however. (40) I hate destructible rocks! (17) It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! (13) I want 50 energy queens back. (13) The queen change was fair and balanced. (11) It does not matter to me. (2) 96 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion of the queen change? (Vote): It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! | ||
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On May 12 2012 20:21 Blazinghand wrote: That's a fair point. I've got a better version of the poll that should be both A) more hilarious to read and B) has more options besides the ones inermis outlined. Poll: What is your opinion of the queen change? As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however. (40) I hate destructible rocks! (17) It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! (13) I want 50 energy queens back. (13) The queen change was fair and balanced. (11) It does not matter to me. (2) 96 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion of the queen change? (Vote): It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! that made my day :D | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On May 12 2012 19:42 Cereb wrote: I just tested TT1's idea in costum game vs comp very easy and the way I did it this is what I got at the 8 min timing: 4 more drones 2 extra queens (5 total with two more just started) 12 supply of lings nearly done 4 gases just started no evo no roach warren no lair and slow lings. Notice I did it without evo or spine crawler which most likely won't be the case in a real game. I dunno...I think you need atleast one spine at the attacking location cause if you keep trading slow lings vs zealots you arent being cost effective. That being said, if you do this I think you get to be pretty safe at the 8 min. However everything will be delayed and I can't tell how that will work out against a two base sentry immortal push which I personally find alot more scary. Neither can I tell you if I would get the tech up in time to pressure a fast third. I think I need real game experience to know that so I guess time will tell. But I still think that is exactly the point. This needs way more time and testing but for some reason TT1 throws away all decency and goes to the forum to complain on day 2 :/ Well, there should have been more testing to begin with, before there was even a queen change. This patch was pushed through really fast. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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warcralft
Singapore609 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote: I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite.. Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units..... | ||
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eXeHephaistas
Netherlands144 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote: Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units..... one of the best? That made me laugh | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
no iam not really serious | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote: Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units..... lol no hate to TT1 I actually like him... but one of the best in the world? I'm sorry but just fucking no. He is good, and knows more then 99.99% of the forum most likely. But he is far from best in the world. More on topic, I think this will be more of a snowball effect. Instead of the early lings for defence an extra queen will do. It will get more zergs to build more queens =more creep spread more transfuse = way easier to hold early aggression. Which then allows the zerg to macro pretty much freely. and as protoss or terran... if you let the zerg macro freely, you are fucked GG no re style. Of course this is all just in theory from a lowly diamond ladder player.... Only time will really tell, I just think maybe they should have done a bit more testing first. Changing the unit that is a races macro mechanic shouldn't have been this rushed. | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:45 Huragius wrote: PvZ is not so much affected. Noticeably probe scouting will be harder so there are going to be more greedy/allin-ish styles from the zerg side. However, TvZ early game openings and harass forms are going to be GREATLY affected. Terrans should be creating these threads, not protosses. did you even read the fucking post? why do you waste your time writing mindless nonsense and yeah, pvz early-mid game is feeling like more of a struggle every day. i find the meta game is begining to shift towards really fast thirds in an attempt to hold off the maxed roach push and come out with decent econ. but thats hard enough as it is. If zergs have the gas and tech for a faster hive transtion to fall back on as TT1 is predicting (since zergs would get faster 5-6 gasses) then things are just going to get a hell of a lot harder  | ||
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Account252508
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:57 AGIANTSMURF wrote: did you even read the fucking post? why do you waste your time writing mindless nonsense and yeah, pvz early-mid game is feeling like more of a struggle every day. i find the meta game is begining to shift towards really fast thirds in an attempt to hold off the maxed roach push and come out with decent econ. but thats hard enough as it is. If zergs have the gas and tech for a faster hive transtion to fall back on as TT1 is predicting (since zergs would get faster 5-6 gasses) then things are just going to get a hell of a lot harder Yeah I did read the fucking post. And no, zergs will not defend 4 gate from FFE only with queens and slow lings. They will need certain number spines depending on queen count which will hurt their eco as much as getting that speed. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote: Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units..... You know Idra few days ago played TT1 on his stream and called him a noob that cannot play unless he has got a economic advantage  As for TT1 concerns, it is too early to know anything now. We first have to see what kind of new tactics zerg players come up with and then what Toss and Terran come up with to counter that. | ||
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Doganaws
Italy52 Posts
Hellions are COMPLETELY useless vZ from now on | ||
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TaeTae
United Kingdom97 Posts
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote: Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units..... loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Queens are not really that good for stopping ground pressure and making more then a queen per base against timing pushes probably won't be that good. I also think that queens ground attack is affected by guardian shield now, while it wasn't before (not entirely sure though). That makes a huge difference in their combat potential really as guardian shield dramatically drops queen damage by 50-75% | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
Toss and Terran can still win against zerg, stop fuckin crying. thank you How does queen buff help us against mothership and mass archon colo storm? How does queen buff help us against mass mech units or a turtling terran on 5 bases? I rest my case. | ||
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