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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7993 Posts
May 12 2012 10:48 GMT
#301
gl trying to defend 4 gate +1 with queens and slow lings lol

pvz isnt gonna change much at all, denying probe scouts which wanna see gas in main is the only thing, and protosses just head for the 3rd anyways to see whats going on
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
May 12 2012 11:21 GMT
#302
On May 12 2012 19:46 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 19:42 nucLeaRTV wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:41 inermis wrote:
Poll: Is the new queen buff early game breaking for T and P ?

NO (720)
 
53%

YES (530)
 
39%

I DON'T CARE (99)
 
7%

1349 total votes

Your vote: Is the new queen buff early game breaking for T and P ?

(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO
(Vote): I DON'T CARE



I don't want to be rude, but everybody knows that at the moment there are more zergs than terrans.


So what? Such a poll is absolutely stupid and meaningless anyways.


That's a fair point. I've got a better version of the poll that should be both A) more hilarious to read and B) has more options besides the ones inermis outlined.

Poll: What is your opinion of the queen change?

As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however. (40)
 
42%

I hate destructible rocks! (17)
 
18%

It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! (13)
 
14%

I want 50 energy queens back. (13)
 
14%

The queen change was fair and balanced. (11)
 
11%

It does not matter to me. (2)
 
2%

96 total votes

Your vote: What is your opinion of the queen change?

(Vote): It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates!
(Vote): The queen change was fair and balanced.
(Vote): I want 50 energy queens back.
(Vote): It does not matter to me.
(Vote): I hate destructible rocks!
(Vote): As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however.



When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
May 12 2012 12:09 GMT
#303
On May 12 2012 20:21 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 19:46 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:42 nucLeaRTV wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:41 inermis wrote:
Poll: Is the new queen buff early game breaking for T and P ?

NO (720)
 
53%

YES (530)
 
39%

I DON'T CARE (99)
 
7%

1349 total votes

Your vote: Is the new queen buff early game breaking for T and P ?

(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO
(Vote): I DON'T CARE



I don't want to be rude, but everybody knows that at the moment there are more zergs than terrans.


So what? Such a poll is absolutely stupid and meaningless anyways.


That's a fair point. I've got a better version of the poll that should be both A) more hilarious to read and B) has more options besides the ones inermis outlined.

Poll: What is your opinion of the queen change?

As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however. (40)
 
42%

I hate destructible rocks! (17)
 
18%

It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates! (13)
 
14%

I want 50 energy queens back. (13)
 
14%

The queen change was fair and balanced. (11)
 
11%

It does not matter to me. (2)
 
2%

96 total votes

Your vote: What is your opinion of the queen change?

(Vote): It is a blasphemy against ESPORTS. Repent, apostates!
(Vote): The queen change was fair and balanced.
(Vote): I want 50 energy queens back.
(Vote): It does not matter to me.
(Vote): I hate destructible rocks!
(Vote): As a being of pure intellect, I have no interest in Sc2. I do enjoy voting in polls, however.





that made my day :D
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 12 2012 14:12 GMT
#304
On May 12 2012 19:42 Cereb wrote:
I just tested TT1's idea in costum game vs comp very easy and the way I did it this is what I got at the 8 min timing:

4 more drones 2 extra queens (5 total with two more just started) 12 supply of lings nearly done 4 gases just started no evo no roach warren no lair and slow lings. Notice I did it without evo or spine crawler which most likely won't be the case in a real game.

I dunno...I think you need atleast one spine at the attacking location cause if you keep trading slow lings vs zealots you arent being cost effective. That being said, if you do this I think you get to be pretty safe at the 8 min. However everything will be delayed and I can't tell how that will work out against a two base sentry immortal push which I personally find alot more scary. Neither can I tell you if I would get the tech up in time to pressure a fast third. I think I need real game experience to know that so I guess time will tell.

But I still think that is exactly the point. This needs way more time and testing but for some reason TT1 throws away all decency and goes to the forum to complain on day 2 :/


Well, there should have been more testing to begin with, before there was even a queen change. This patch was pushed through really fast.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
May 12 2012 14:18 GMT
#305
lol it's only been a couple of days, jesus christ. at least try to figure it out for a few weeks and then claim imbalance.I personally haven't felt much of difference, it's good against bunker pressures thats it. imo the overlord change is much better, but thats just me.
"Right on" - Morrow
warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
May 12 2012 14:18 GMT
#306
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 14:28:43
May 12 2012 14:27 GMT
#307
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote:
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..

Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units.....

2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
eXeHephaistas
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands144 Posts
May 12 2012 14:31 GMT
#308
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote:
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..

Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units.....



one of the best?
That made me laugh
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 14:35:17
May 12 2012 14:34 GMT
#309
Sure. Can you take games off of stephano? Because tt1 has in brilliant macro fashion. thx.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
May 12 2012 14:38 GMT
#310
probably a buff for protoss air because now its more likely that the queens autoattack zealots or whatever is on the ground instead of the air units you really want to attack with your queens.

no iam not really serious
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
May 12 2012 14:45 GMT
#311
PvZ is not so much affected. Noticeably probe scouting will be harder so there are going to be more greedy/allin-ish styles from the zerg side. However, TvZ early game openings and harass forms are going to be GREATLY affected. Terrans should be creating these threads, not protosses.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
May 12 2012 14:53 GMT
#312
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote:
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..

Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units.....


lol no hate to TT1 I actually like him... but one of the best in the world? I'm sorry but just fucking no. He is good, and knows more then 99.99% of the forum most likely. But he is far from best in the world.

More on topic, I think this will be more of a snowball effect. Instead of the early lings for defence an extra queen will do. It will get more zergs to build more queens =more creep spread more transfuse = way easier to hold early aggression. Which then allows the zerg to macro pretty much freely. and as protoss or terran... if you let the zerg macro freely, you are fucked GG no re style.

Of course this is all just in theory from a lowly diamond ladder player.... Only time will really tell, I just think maybe they should have done a bit more testing first. Changing the unit that is a races macro mechanic shouldn't have been this rushed.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
May 12 2012 14:57 GMT
#313
On May 12 2012 23:45 Huragius wrote:
PvZ is not so much affected. Noticeably probe scouting will be harder so there are going to be more greedy/allin-ish styles from the zerg side. However, TvZ early game openings and harass forms are going to be GREATLY affected. Terrans should be creating these threads, not protosses.


did you even read the fucking post?

why do you waste your time writing mindless nonsense



and yeah, pvz early-mid game is feeling like more of a struggle every day.
i find the meta game is begining to shift towards really fast thirds in an attempt to hold off the maxed roach push and come out with decent econ. but thats hard enough as it is.

If zergs have the gas and tech for a faster hive transtion to fall back on as TT1 is predicting (since zergs would get faster 5-6 gasses) then things are just going to get a hell of a lot harder
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 12 2012 15:05 GMT
#314
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Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
May 12 2012 15:05 GMT
#315
On May 12 2012 23:57 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 23:45 Huragius wrote:
PvZ is not so much affected. Noticeably probe scouting will be harder so there are going to be more greedy/allin-ish styles from the zerg side. However, TvZ early game openings and harass forms are going to be GREATLY affected. Terrans should be creating these threads, not protosses.


did you even read the fucking post?

why do you waste your time writing mindless nonsense



and yeah, pvz early-mid game is feeling like more of a struggle every day.
i find the meta game is begining to shift towards really fast thirds in an attempt to hold off the maxed roach push and come out with decent econ. but thats hard enough as it is.

If zergs have the gas and tech for a faster hive transtion to fall back on as TT1 is predicting (since zergs would get faster 5-6 gasses) then things are just going to get a hell of a lot harder


Yeah I did read the fucking post.
And no, zergs will not defend 4 gate from FFE only with queens and slow lings. They will need certain number spines depending on queen count which will hurt their eco as much as getting that speed.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 15:36:48
May 12 2012 15:21 GMT
#316
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote:
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..

Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units.....


You know Idra few days ago played TT1 on his stream and called him a noob that cannot play unless he has got a economic advantage

As for TT1 concerns, it is too early to know anything now. We first have to see what kind of new tactics zerg players come up with and then what Toss and Terran come up with to counter that.
Doganaws
Profile Joined February 2011
Italy52 Posts
May 12 2012 15:21 GMT
#317
Five Games in Raw -> FIVE Z -> FIVE LOSS...

Hellions are COMPLETELY useless vZ from now on
TaeTae
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom97 Posts
May 12 2012 15:22 GMT
#318
On May 12 2012 23:27 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 23:18 warcralft wrote:
I was expecting terrans to complain. But TT1?(A toss) complaining.. Its not like queens got a damage buff, zealots still deal fine with them since they cant kite..

Ppl like you shouldn't be able to post on forums. You're addressing one of the best protoss in the world and you don't even think before you post. Obviously a range buff IS a damage buff vs melee units.....



loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 12 2012 15:29 GMT
#319
PvZ queen change doesn't do too much.
Queens are not really that good for stopping ground pressure and making more then a queen per base against timing pushes probably won't be that good.
I also think that queens ground attack is affected by guardian shield now, while it wasn't before (not entirely sure though). That makes a huge difference in their combat potential really as guardian shield dramatically drops queen damage by 50-75%
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 15:32:05
May 12 2012 15:31 GMT
#320
Seems like no matter what happens someone will whine that thier race is underpowered.

Toss and Terran can still win against zerg, stop fuckin crying. thank you

How does queen buff help us against mothership and mass archon colo storm?

How does queen buff help us against mass mech units or a turtling terran on 5 bases?

I rest my case.
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