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Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
May 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#101
queen buff seems OP
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#102
Damnit. I love opening DT in PvP and then transitioning to archon/zealot. This blows.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
LikeAG6
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia74 Posts
May 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#103
It actually annoys me reading all of the posts that are along the lines of;

"queen range is stupid, nOw we can't make hellions"
Or
"this is such a nerf to bunker/reaper rushes"

This just in, no fucking shit, part of the reason blizzard did this is because bunker rushes are ridiculous to begin with.
Oh and I for one would be super pleased if terrans though hellions are useless, that way I won't have to deal with how ridiculously cost efficient they are/how much damage they can deal.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity"
DarkerThanKuro
Profile Joined April 2012
United States61 Posts
May 10 2012 02:54 GMT
#104
What about us guys who go bio tvz? how the hell am i supposed to open now if reapers are useless and 2 rax is esentially dead?
Kancolle player
FXOjEcho
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada318 Posts
May 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#105
the queen buff will help alot with 2 rax rushes and even just 1 rax rushes, sorry if no1 thought it was stupid terran could bunker rush you with 1 scv and 2-3 marines, best case scenario winning the game (or gaining a stupid big advantage if the bunker finishes) and worst case breaking even because you force lings and lose max 1 scv + 3 marines while safely going reactor hellion at home behind a wall.
Finnz
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom260 Posts
May 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#106
On May 10 2012 11:52 leo23 wrote:
I LOVE MY new queens oh yeah party party... kinda bad for zvz though it would make ling pressure vs hatch first builds harder


This is actually making me laugh irl...

Go complain to David Kim about your buff so you can get that zvz balanced again!!!!!!!!! -_______________________-
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
May 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#107
On May 10 2012 11:49 Gackt_ wrote:
Would've rather have seen the energy buff as a Zerg but this one works aswell! Loving it! For once they do something that is fair for zerg! The naysayers doesnt know what they are talking about imo, it's just fair to buff the queen unit.

The energy buff was retarded, glad they went with the range -_-
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
May 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#108
So basically the only time for terran to win now is between 10-15 minutes? Early pressure will be easily denied, and late game... 5 minute window in the mid game to close out
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
May 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#109
On May 10 2012 11:52 VincendioS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:49 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:47 VincendioS wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:45 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:42 VincendioS wrote:
Please blizzard make something to help TvP...

This Queen buff completely shut down any hellion harass and let the zerg expand his creep and take his 3rd base...
I don't know if Blizzard play the same game as we play.


I think you play other game..
Queen buff is NOT VS HELLION , its vs stupid terrans allins and buker rushes. You play , or even watch some sc2 ? watch how many pro zergs , losses games to bunker rushes or stupid early game allins from terrans.



I'm sorry I'm only top Master.
I think you never watched sc2 by saying zerg loose to early game allins. Tbh I think I didnt see any Zerg loose to bunker rush or hellion run by for months.


loled , then stop watch your replays and watch some streams.
And sorry , you play terran right ?


Yes I play Terran and I say Queen buff is going to shut down Hellions openers and I'm not the only one who think that.
But you I'm really not sure about your level. Maybe lower than Diamand if you loose to bunker rush which is kinda funny.


No , im top diamond , but its not case , you are just crying...

You all write " oh uh hellion harass is not problem for zergs.. its easy to def , why this buff...for queens?"
My questions is , why then you make hellions openings anyway .. if its so easy to hold ?

Maby for map control ? , to control towers ? ,maby for def vs mass lings at early game?
You try to say to me , Mr. Master player that you open with hellion to ONLY kill creep tumors ?
Stop to cry..really..
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
VincendioS
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium107 Posts
May 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#110
On May 10 2012 11:54 DarkerThanKuro wrote:
What about us guys who go bio tvz? how the hell am i supposed to open now if reapers are useless and 2 rax is esentially dead?


I don't really see a viable build now
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
May 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#111
Yay more Protoss Buffs
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
May 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#112
blah...indirect nerf to terran
nobuild
Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
May 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#113
hahaha, blizzard shouting out to state of the game
goodpoltergeist
Profile Joined February 2011
United States41 Posts
May 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#114
Have to say I really only care about the OL speed buff. It's awesome and I'm super excited for it. Obs buff seems unnecessary and Queen buff I just don't understand. I'm glad it's there because I play Z, but I just don't know why...?
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
May 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#115
On May 10 2012 11:19 Existor wrote:

Terran
* Bunker is not changed



Source
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5393885/Balance_Update_-_51012-5_9_2012#blog


LOL ,what a good thing to mention =D
Try hard or don't try at all.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#116
Eager to see the queen buff in higher level play.
VincendioS
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium107 Posts
May 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#117
On May 10 2012 11:56 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:52 VincendioS wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:49 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:47 VincendioS wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:45 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:42 VincendioS wrote:
Please blizzard make something to help TvP...

This Queen buff completely shut down any hellion harass and let the zerg expand his creep and take his 3rd base...
I don't know if Blizzard play the same game as we play.


I think you play other game..
Queen buff is NOT VS HELLION , its vs stupid terrans allins and buker rushes. You play , or even watch some sc2 ? watch how many pro zergs , losses games to bunker rushes or stupid early game allins from terrans.



I'm sorry I'm only top Master.
I think you never watched sc2 by saying zerg loose to early game allins. Tbh I think I didnt see any Zerg loose to bunker rush or hellion run by for months.


loled , then stop watch your replays and watch some streams.
And sorry , you play terran right ?


Yes I play Terran and I say Queen buff is going to shut down Hellions openers and I'm not the only one who think that.
But you I'm really not sure about your level. Maybe lower than Diamand if you loose to bunker rush which is kinda funny.


No , im top diamond , but its not case , you are just crying...

You all write " oh uh hellion harass is not problem for zergs.. its easy to def , why this buff...for queens?"
My questions is , why then you make hellions openings anyway .. if its so easy to hold ?

Maby for map control ? , to control towers ? ,maby for def vs mass lings at early game?
You try to say to me , Mr. Master player that you open with hellion to ONLY kill creep tumors ?
Stop to cry..really..


Kill creep, taking mapcontrol, deny 3rd. And now we can't deal with creep and 3rd.
Now roaches openers are useless because you don't need them no more.
So I don't think I will waste 400 mineral to take a xel naga.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
May 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#118
On May 10 2012 11:56 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:52 VincendioS wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:49 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:47 VincendioS wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:45 pallad wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:42 VincendioS wrote:
Please blizzard make something to help TvP...

This Queen buff completely shut down any hellion harass and let the zerg expand his creep and take his 3rd base...
I don't know if Blizzard play the same game as we play.


I think you play other game..
Queen buff is NOT VS HELLION , its vs stupid terrans allins and buker rushes. You play , or even watch some sc2 ? watch how many pro zergs , losses games to bunker rushes or stupid early game allins from terrans.



I'm sorry I'm only top Master.
I think you never watched sc2 by saying zerg loose to early game allins. Tbh I think I didnt see any Zerg loose to bunker rush or hellion run by for months.


loled , then stop watch your replays and watch some streams.
And sorry , you play terran right ?


Yes I play Terran and I say Queen buff is going to shut down Hellions openers and I'm not the only one who think that.
But you I'm really not sure about your level. Maybe lower than Diamand if you loose to bunker rush which is kinda funny.


No , im top diamond , but its not case , you are just crying...

You all write " oh uh hellion harass is not problem for zergs.. its easy to def , why this buff...for queens?"
My questions is , why then you make hellions openings anyway .. if its so easy to hold ?

Maby for map control ? , to control towers ? ,maby for def vs mass lings at early game?
You try to say to me , Mr. Master player that you open with hellion to ONLY kill creep tumors ?
Stop to cry..really..


Why does anyone make anything then? Maybe we should all just workers and nothing else. Your argument makes no sense.
Logan-nagoL
Profile Joined April 2012
New Zealand16 Posts
May 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#119
Why are the tarrens crying, they are OP anyway.... ;D
I do not like league of legends, AT ALL. Please dont talk to me about that horrid game. Also, mushrooms are bad.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
May 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#120
Finally, zerg early game. Yay! :D
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
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