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bizMark
Canada7 Posts
It really upsets me that they make major changes like this when the game seems to be more balanced than it has ever been before. Just because Zerg progamers have not been winning at GSL or MLG recently doesn't mean a patch is needed. Sometimes metagame shifts happen that need time to polish over. It's a hardknock life for a casual Terran gamer these days!! | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:34 dAPhREAk wrote: it means you dont have to mine as much gas, which is more precious than minerals. In TvP its not more precious . Never has been and never will be .... | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: Oh man, really? If so, that's completely atrocious. How is terran gonna put on any pressure early game? not sure thats accurate according to LP. Reaper Range: 4.5 (ground), 5 (buildings) bunker adds +1 range. so reaper in bunker is 5.5, queen is 5. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
No wonder the ladder is a Z/P fest. zzzz | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:34 VincendioS wrote: Please use your mind. There is not problem in the actual TvZ in early/mid game. When you see games from pros, zergs havent hard time spreading their creep. So making a buff of the queen will make it way more easier. So it let the zerg make what the fuck he wants. (taking 3rd drone up) and the Terran just can't deal with it anymore. It forces to go the the late game point where Terran are weaker if they don't got any advantage in the early/mid game. That's the problem. You cannot take a third against hellions without making roaches. Unless the Terran goes to sleep with his hellions. Zergs DO have a hard time spreading creep, please don't make stupid judgments just because you watch pro streams on ladder where they fool around and have full map creep spread. You rarely even see Zergs in GSL go past half the map. And so often, Terran takes out most of your tumors with just 1-2 scans. Please use your mind. | ||
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m!st
Australia95 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:36 VincendioS wrote: It means the hardest race to spend gas/mineral is Terran. Cause Protoss and Zerg can fucked up their macro and have tons of gas but still use it (sentry/HT or Infest/bl) Easiest to spend minerals, marines. Terrans need to work out a usefull unit to spend that gas on late game. colossi/bl equiv, but what is that? Ravens are pretty good, they are expensive but so are our high tier units. | ||
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
It is going to be interesting to see how the overlord and queen buffs play out | ||
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
I understand the rationale behind the OV speed buff, and I also understand the obs change even if i disagree with it, but I don't know why they're buffing the queen. | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:40 m!st wrote: Easiest to spend minerals, marines. Terrans need to work out a usefull unit to spend that gas on late game. colossi/bl equiv, but what is that? Ravens are pretty good, they are expensive but so are our high tier units. Ravens against lategame Toss ? For what ? PDD only works against Stalkers that no Toss wants to build anyway. The other abilities are a joke. Autoturrets are a gimmick and Seeker Missile needs so much Energy that once the Raven has enough for it Feedback will instantly kill the Raven not to mention the abysmal range it has. Ravens are only useful with Mechbuilds even in the other MU's and guess what sucks against Toss . Yeah you guessed right Mechbuilds. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:39 Gosi wrote: And Terran gets nothing. This isn't even fun anymore. You can scream and show statistics from GSL on how good Terran is how much you want, the point is still that all of us are just ladder scrubs trying to have fun but we don't because it gets so stale quickly when we get nerfed every patch. Meanwhile P and Z gets new buffs in their favour even when they are doing just fine at the same time as they are throwing so much shit in our fucking faces because Terran was OP way back and Terran players in the pro scene sweep the floor with their competition like it has anything to do with Terran being OP now in 2012. No wonder the ladder is a Z/P fest. zzzz Correction. Pro scene is not dominated by terran anymore. Latest MLG was won by a Zerg. Previous GSL is won by the same Zerg player (u know who). And the current GSL Semi Final consists of 3 protoss and 1 Terran. So yeah, Terran is supposingly strongest in the early/mid game and weakest in the late game but now our advantage is denied by P and Z's faster scouting and also stronger queen defence. So where do we stand now? | ||
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jw232
United States157 Posts
Bunker is not changed Was this actually in the original blog post? It wasn't there when I checked. | ||
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ThatETmonkey
Sweden8 Posts
Make Ghosts cost more gas and less minerals like every other caster unit (terran float loads of gas lategame TvP) Now we have a game again. And yes remove the reaper from the game so noone makes them by misclick. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:40 m!st wrote: Easiest to spend minerals, marines. Terrans need to work out a usefull unit to spend that gas on late game. colossi/bl equiv, but what is that? Ravens are pretty good, they are expensive but so are our high tier units. Terran comps are just more mineral heavy than the other races (typically). That's not necessarily a bad thing since you can elect to get fewer geysers during the early game for a quicker third, etc. | ||
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di3alot
172 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:34 VincendioS wrote: Please use your mind. There is not problem in the actual TvZ in early/mid game. When you see games from pros, zergs havent hard time spreading their creep. So making a buff of the queen will make it way more easier. So it let the zerg make what the fuck he wants. (taking 3rd drone up) and the Terran just can't deal with it anymore. It forces to go the the late game point where Terran are weaker if they don't got any advantage in the early/mid game. That's the problem. don't you think that maybe a hellion expand gives a Terran to much? map ctrl a free natural and when you want a earlier third then zerg. you get a factory and a reactor you could also deny creep. you force at least a spine serious don't you think thats a bit much for just 4 hellions? | ||
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VincendioS
Belgium107 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:39 Flonomenalz wrote: You cannot take a third against hellions without making roaches. Unless the Terran goes to sleep with his hellions. Zergs DO have a hard time spreading creep, please don't make stupid judgments just because you watch pro streams on ladder where they fool around and have full map creep spread. You rarely even see Zergs in GSL go past half the map. And so often, Terran takes out most of your tumors with just 1-2 scans. Please use your mind. I'm using my mind I'm sorry. Actually you CAN take a third without roaches. Did you ever see the time to kill an hatch with hellions? You can make zerglings just to let your drone making the hatch. and then fall back. And no zerg havent hard time spreading creep. It's pretty normal in mid game that the terran scan the creep but I was talking about early game. If you can spreak you creep faster then the push from the Terran will be slower because the creep will be obviously nearer of the Terran base. It makes the mid game terran weaker and so, the lategame will be too. | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:39 Flonomenalz wrote: Zergs DO have a hard time spreading creep, please don't make stupid judgments just because you watch pro streams on ladder where they fool around and have full map creep spread. You rarely even see Zergs in GSL go past half the map. And so often, Terran takes out most of your tumors with just 1-2 scans. Please use your mind. Oh rats! It must be so disappointing to only get free speed boost/vision on HALF the map, not the WHOLE map. Ugh, what a total shame! In reality, I can't really see the sense behind these changes. Pretty much every non-zerg and even several zergs in the call to action thread were completely against queen changes (multiple pros chimed in as well)... And Blizzard just decides to go through with the changes, because so many zergs were having so much trouble with reactor hellions and reapers... EDIT: don't you think that maybe a hellion expand gives a Terran to much? map ctrl a free natural and when you want a earlier third then zerg. you get a factory and a reactor you could also deny creep. you force at least a spine serious don't you think thats a bit much for just 4 hellions? If you take a faster third than zerg its usually very easy to scout and easy to kill terran (3CC is slightly harder, but a well-timed baneling bust will usually destroy everything). Factory+reactor=200/150 +4 hellions=600/150 Spine =150/0 Wow, so expensive.... | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:45 gengka wrote: Correction. Pro scene is not dominated by terran anymore. Latest MLG was won by a Zerg. Previous GSL is won by the same Zerg player (u know who). And the current GSL Semi Final consists of 3 protoss and 1 Terran. So yeah, Terran is supposingly strongest in the early/mid game and weakest in the late game but now our advantage is denied by P and Z's faster scouting and also stronger queen defence. So where do we stand now? At equal footing. Sorry, 6 months of all TvT's forced Blizz to bring Terran down to the same level as Zerg and Protoss  | ||
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