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On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).
How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.
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On May 09 2012 03:59 cmcaneff5502 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 00:42 lorkac wrote:On May 09 2012 00:37 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
Its funny--this community, at times, can almost seem good! Then you realize it's a bunch of sad nerds desperate for any grain of attention they can get. It's disheartening to see so many people working for esports, when the community is really just a bunch of butthurt teenagers with too much time on their hands and an overinflated sense of importance :/ Are you saying that people should not be against racism within the subculture they are in? No, I'm saying that when someone is streaming on their own time, it's a different issue. If someone rages and name calls in a tournament, I think that's a different case. Everyone has ladder rage, I've been called racist names, I've been called gay names, I've been cursed at. People get mad in anything that's competitive--it's human nature. But the extent to which people hounded destiny (also orb) for doing what so many people do every day was extremely over the top, and, as the OP called it, a witch hunt.
This post represents the fundamental disagreement between the two sides of the argument. Those who see the racial slurs as a problem do not see Destiny as "streaming on [his] own time". Destiny is a professional gamer. When he is streaming he is at work and the viewers are Quantic's customers. Once you accept this dynamic, there can be no doubt that Destiny was way out of line. Unless this difference is resolved then the two sides can never see eye to eye.
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I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD
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On May 09 2012 07:03 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD
The LoL community isn't even close to as bad as the sc2 community. They don't have horrible witch hunts. Or try to ruin teams by messaging sponsors.
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On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.
Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.
NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.
It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.
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While only a few notorious ones are listed in the witch hunt category, there are considerably more, involving numerous celebrities within the SC2 community (the Artosis shirt was another laughable one). This causes a great harm to the growth of esports and the overall appearance of the community to those outside of the community.
For the community to grow, and for eSports to flourish into what we dream eSports to become, the community must be harmonious, for the most part. We must do our part to keep the community in check, so that the community does not offend, but we most do so in a productive manner. In Destiny's case (and I believe Orb's as well), e-mailing sponsors is not productive, it threatens their teams as a whole, both currently and for potential future sponsors.
Imagine you are a new potential sponsor, and you look into our community. Which scenario are you more interested in? A community that works together, thrives harmoniously, and let those responsible for setting down punishment set people straight when needed? Or a community that burns the school down because lunch was 5 minutes late?
If witch hunts continue as they are now, we are that community that burns the school down. Something has to change, and eSports will pay for it until we do.
I had a lot of problems with the OP, but this part really stood out
This is the major crux of the thread, but it's the part that's least substantiated. You claim that "witch hunting" (if you want to say that Destiny didn't really call that kid a gook, then be my guest and step out on that limb) harms esports, but you don't provide any warrants for that. Which sponsors have backed out because of this? Who's sales are being affected?
And then you provide this false dichotomy, claiming that if only we could police ourselves more effectively, we'd be in perfect harmony, or "thrive harmoniously." That's also not true, sure we might be a little bit better at handing out punishments when someone calls someone else a nigger, but that doesn't mean we'll "thrive harmoniously," at least not as a result of anything pertaining to this discussion. SC2 (I don't watch "esports") is bigger than that.
Finally, I find it ironic that we're discussing the problem of "witch hunting," which isn't really an issue, and not the obvious problem that we have with racism. Do you really think sponsors want to support racists, if only we didn't "witch hunt" so much?
Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky.
Where are you going to work that you can call someone a nigger and not get fired?
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On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.
People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.
Situations like this shouldn't effect your decision to become involved in e-sports unless you wanted to act like a biggot on camera while being sponsored or something.
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On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.
Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."
I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.
...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.
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no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.
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On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.
How can that possibly happen? I'm not inside the show on these things, but was it not the decision of the employer to hire or fire at all times? What would be the alternative to an employer listening to viewers and adapting in order to make money?
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On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this. Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great." I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction. ...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.
Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.
No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how the workplace works. If you don't like the fact that you can be fired by someone who isn't your immediate superior, then there aren't many places you can really be involved in.
So the solution, again, is just don't act inappropriately.
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On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.
Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports.
I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy.
On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this. Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great." I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction. ...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety. Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored. No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work.
They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."
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It wasn't a "witch hunt". This biased ignorant topic should be closed.
People in the community were acting like disrespectful teenagers, and they got reprimanded. Racism is never okay.
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On May 09 2012 07:09 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:03 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD
The LoL community isn't even close to as bad as the sc2 community. They don't have horrible witch hunts. Or try to ruin teams by messaging sponsors.
You follow the LoL scene then as well i hope to make statements like that.
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On May 09 2012 07:37 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. How can that possibly happen? I'm not inside the show on these things, but was it not the decision of the employer to hire or fire at all times? What would be the alternative to an employer listening to viewers and adapting in order to make money?
That's what I am saying, it should be up to the employer and, imo, complaints should be directed at them.
But now, because people complain to sponsors instead, they may threaten to pull their sponsorship if you do not react a certain way, taking away the employers ability to react in the way that they see fit. NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, but that it could happen because of how the community has started to react (contacting sponsors before teams).
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On May 09 2012 07:45 DemigodcelpH wrote:
It wasn't a "witch hunt". This biased ignorant topic should be closed.
People in the community were acting like disrespectful teenagers, and they got reprimanded. Racism is never okay.
Apparently disagreeing means you're ignorant and biased. No one is arguing for racism either. Way to jump to a conclusion ignoring the entire point of the thread.
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End of the day - if you email a sponsor over a negative issue and you have never emailed a sponsor over a positive one, you're a fucking douche.
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On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it. Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports. I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy. Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this. Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great." I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction. ...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety. Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored. No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work. They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."
You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you.
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On May 09 2012 07:53 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it. Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports. I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy. On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this. Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great." I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction. ...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety. Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored. No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work. They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place." You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you.
...Lol. This is absolutely NOTHING like the work place. These are athletes/celebrities who have themselves to represent to a fanbase/public as much as they represent a team and it's sponsors. Workplace comparisons are non-existent nor relevant in the slightest. A player says a slur that fan stops watching his stream. A rockstar says a slur that fan stops listening to his music. An employee for a company, who does not represent himself in any way in his position other than for future employment with another company, says a slur that customer stops buying the product from the brand that employee represents. It's VERY simple.
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On May 09 2012 07:58 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:53 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it. Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports. I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy. On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.
Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community). How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff. Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel. NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great. It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me. People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this. Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great." I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction. ...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety. Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored. No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work. They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place." You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you. ...Lol. This is absolutely NOTHING like the work place. These are athletes/celebrities who have themselves to represent to a fanbase/public as much as they represent a team and it's sponsors. Workplace comparisons are non-existent nor relevant in the slightest. An employee for a company says a slur that customer stops buying the product. A player says a slur that fan stops watching his stream. It's pretty simple.
Customer can always do more than just stop buying a product, and they have. They can and will go to the manager or corporate, and acting like this never happens is just ignorance. The company doesn't want to look like it's condoning racism/homophobia, and thus, will deal with the liability in whatever way they think fit, and that includes firing it. If the athlete's team, or whatever company a celebrity has a contract with (or their immediate superiors), feels like their client is being a greater liability than asset, they will get rid of him/her. Celebrities aren't immune, look at Charlie Sheen for example. I don't follow sports, but there are also probably plenty of sport examples. It's pretty simple.
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