• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:46
CEST 01:46
KST 08:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL15Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview21
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)11Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3
StarCraft 2
General
The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Karma, Domino Effect, and how it relates to SC2. Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator Can anyone explain to me why u cant veto a matchup DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack
Tourneys
DreamHack Dallas 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group A EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? GG Lan Party Bulgaria (Live in about 3 hours) Practice Partners (Official) BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Monster Hunter Wilds Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13551 users

[Rant]/[D] Witch Hunting and 'eSports' - Page 39

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 53 Next
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
May 08 2012 21:54 GMT
#761
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
May 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#762
On May 09 2012 03:59 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 00:42 lorkac wrote:
On May 09 2012 00:37 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
Its funny--this community, at times, can almost seem good! Then you realize it's a bunch of sad nerds desperate for any grain of attention they can get. It's disheartening to see so many people working for esports, when the community is really just a bunch of butthurt teenagers with too much time on their hands and an overinflated sense of importance :/


Are you saying that people should not be against racism within the subculture they are in?


No, I'm saying that when someone is streaming on their own time, it's a different issue. If someone rages and name calls in a tournament, I think that's a different case. Everyone has ladder rage, I've been called racist names, I've been called gay names, I've been cursed at. People get mad in anything that's competitive--it's human nature. But the extent to which people hounded destiny (also orb) for doing what so many people do every day was extremely over the top, and, as the OP called it, a witch hunt.


This post represents the fundamental disagreement between the two sides of the argument. Those who see the racial slurs as a problem do not see Destiny as "streaming on [his] own time". Destiny is a professional gamer. When he is streaming he is at work and the viewers are Quantic's customers. Once you accept this dynamic, there can be no doubt that Destiny was way out of line. Unless this difference is resolved then the two sides can never see eye to eye.
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
May 08 2012 22:03 GMT
#763
I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD

Learn to count with CatsPajamas!
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
May 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#764
On May 09 2012 07:03 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD



The LoL community isn't even close to as bad as the sc2 community. They don't have horrible witch hunts. Or try to ruin teams by messaging sponsors.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:19:12
May 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#765
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:25:34
May 08 2012 22:23 GMT
#766
While only a few notorious ones are listed in the witch hunt category, there are considerably more, involving numerous celebrities within the SC2 community (the Artosis shirt was another laughable one). This causes a great harm to the growth of esports and the overall appearance of the community to those outside of the community.

For the community to grow, and for eSports to flourish into what we dream eSports to become, the community must be harmonious, for the most part. We must do our part to keep the community in check, so that the community does not offend, but we most do so in a productive manner. In Destiny's case (and I believe Orb's as well), e-mailing sponsors is not productive, it threatens their teams as a whole, both currently and for potential future sponsors.

Imagine you are a new potential sponsor, and you look into our community. Which scenario are you more interested in? A community that works together, thrives harmoniously, and let those responsible for setting down punishment set people straight when needed? Or a community that burns the school down because lunch was 5 minutes late?

If witch hunts continue as they are now, we are that community that burns the school down. Something has to change, and eSports will pay for it until we do.


I had a lot of problems with the OP, but this part really stood out

This is the major crux of the thread, but it's the part that's least substantiated. You claim that "witch hunting" (if you want to say that Destiny didn't really call that kid a gook, then be my guest and step out on that limb) harms esports, but you don't provide any warrants for that. Which sponsors have backed out because of this? Who's sales are being affected?

And then you provide this false dichotomy, claiming that if only we could police ourselves more effectively, we'd be in perfect harmony, or "thrive harmoniously." That's also not true, sure we might be a little bit better at handing out punishments when someone calls someone else a nigger, but that doesn't mean we'll "thrive harmoniously," at least not as a result of anything pertaining to this discussion. SC2 (I don't watch "esports") is bigger than that.

Finally, I find it ironic that we're discussing the problem of "witch hunting," which isn't really an issue, and not the obvious problem that we have with racism. Do you really think sponsors want to support racists, if only we didn't "witch hunt" so much?

Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky.


Where are you going to work that you can call someone a nigger and not get fired?
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:31:10
May 08 2012 22:24 GMT
#767
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.

Situations like this shouldn't effect your decision to become involved in e-sports unless you wanted to act like a biggot on camera while being sponsored or something.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:35:02
May 08 2012 22:31 GMT
#768
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
May 08 2012 22:35 GMT
#769
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#770
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.

How can that possibly happen? I'm not inside the show on these things, but was it not the decision of the employer to hire or fire at all times? What would be the alternative to an employer listening to viewers and adapting in order to make money?
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:46:09
May 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#771
On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.


Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.

No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how the workplace works. If you don't like the fact that you can be fired by someone who isn't your immediate superior, then there aren't many places you can really be involved in.

So the solution, again, is just don't act inappropriately.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:47:38
May 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#772
On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.


Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports.

I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy.

On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.


Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.

No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work.


They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
May 08 2012 22:45 GMT
#773
It wasn't a "witch hunt". This biased ignorant topic should be closed.

People in the community were acting like disrespectful teenagers, and they got reprimanded. Racism is never okay.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:47:07
May 08 2012 22:46 GMT
#774
On May 09 2012 07:09 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:03 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny the LoL community is utter dirt compared to the majority of SC2s. LoLs keeps growing and we have people being melodramatic over here making our community smaller XD



The LoL community isn't even close to as bad as the sc2 community. They don't have horrible witch hunts. Or try to ruin teams by messaging sponsors.

You follow the LoL scene then as well i hope to make statements like that.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
May 08 2012 22:47 GMT
#775
On May 09 2012 07:37 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.

How can that possibly happen? I'm not inside the show on these things, but was it not the decision of the employer to hire or fire at all times? What would be the alternative to an employer listening to viewers and adapting in order to make money?


That's what I am saying, it should be up to the employer and, imo, complaints should be directed at them.

But now, because people complain to sponsors instead, they may threaten to pull their sponsorship if you do not react a certain way, taking away the employers ability to react in the way that they see fit. NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, but that it could happen because of how the community has started to react (contacting sponsors before teams).
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:50:24
May 08 2012 22:49 GMT
#776
On May 09 2012 07:45 DemigodcelpH wrote:
It wasn't a "witch hunt". This biased ignorant topic should be closed.

People in the community were acting like disrespectful teenagers, and they got reprimanded. Racism is never okay.


Apparently disagreeing means you're ignorant and biased. No one is arguing for racism either. Way to jump to a conclusion ignoring the entire point of the thread.
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
May 08 2012 22:51 GMT
#777
End of the day - if you email a sponsor over a negative issue and you have never emailed a sponsor over a positive one, you're a fucking douche.

Supporting TypeII Gaming - www.typeii.net - TypeReaL, TypePhoeNix, TypeSuN, TypeDBS!!
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:54:12
May 08 2012 22:53 GMT
#778
On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.


Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports.

I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy.

Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.


Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.

No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work.


They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."


You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 23:00:56
May 08 2012 22:58 GMT
#779
On May 09 2012 07:53 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.


Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports.

I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy.

On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.


Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.

No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work.


They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."


You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you.


...Lol. This is absolutely NOTHING like the work place. These are athletes/celebrities who have themselves to represent to a fanbase/public as much as they represent a team and it's sponsors. Workplace comparisons are non-existent nor relevant in the slightest. A player says a slur that fan stops watching his stream. A rockstar says a slur that fan stops listening to his music. An employee for a company, who does not represent himself in any way in his position other than for future employment with another company, says a slur that customer stops buying the product from the brand that employee represents. It's VERY simple.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 23:06:39
May 08 2012 23:05 GMT
#780
On May 09 2012 07:58 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:53 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:35 TheResidentEvil wrote:
no one person is greater than the community. if the community doesn't want people slandering and acting like teenagers then they will get weeded out just like the people that already have. Don't do anything to bring this on yourself and you don't have to worry about it.


Your post makes a lot of assumptions. A) being the entire community and B) that the entire community messages these sponsors. It's a minority going out of their way lynching pro gamers via e-mailing sponsors. No one likes racist slurs, but not that many people actually give a shit when someone ragequits on stream and says one racist word. Not to the point they make it their life goal to make it as difficult as possible for that player to succeed in esports.

I almost want to start sending the same empty threats these people do to tournament sponsors who hire casters I don't enjoy.

On May 09 2012 07:41 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:24 dabom88 wrote:
On May 09 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:54 Celestia wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
Honestly, because of incidents such as these, where the community improperly reacts, I have decided to drop my dreams of being involved in esports and SC2. While I still enjoy watching certain games or tournaments, the community has really ruined this game for me and I will no longer support any part of SC2 with my money and I would not recommend any company get involved.

Ie, there are other indirect consequences other than losing sponsors....losing fans/community members/aspiring esports enthusiasts (I highly doubt I am the only one who has turned away from SC2 as a result of the community).

How come the community ruined you the game? Oh the irony, overeacting about other people you think they are overeacting. Silly stuff.


Sorry, let me clarify. I wanted to get very involved in esports, but because of situations such as these, where the community improperly reacts (IMO), I have decided that I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere as it is simply too risky. I.e. if a group of people, even if it is very small, do not like me, they can get me fired regardless of how my employer may feel.

NOTE: I'm not arguing for or against any of the punishments, but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great.

It is simply my personality, I am an all or nothing type of person when I set a goal. This was not the only thing, there are others, and if you truly would like to know, PM me.


People wont like you if you act inappropriately. For example, like a biggot. If you want to get involved in e-sports, don't act like a biggot and you can avoid situations like this.


Your missing my point. I do not believe that someone should be allowed to act inappropriately, "but the idea that my employer can be forced into that type of situation, is simply unappealing to me and likely many others (assumption). So the risk of having all my efforts go to waste is too great."

I.e. that the employers can not make the decision that they feel is appropriate and are forced into situations because people immediately go to sponsors, which dictates a specific reaction.

...if you read the post I noted that. Please, actually read the post in its entirety.


Please, try actually stopping to analyze the situation.. The sponsor or team wont fire you if they don't think you acted inappropriately. Destiny and Orb aren't some innocent victims here, they acted inappropriately, and the sponsors also thought they were acting inappropriately. They wouldn't have made that decision if they didn't think Destiny was acting inappropriately. So the solution would be to just not act inappropriately and this wont happen to you if you get involved in e-sports, so it shouldn't effect you at all unless you wanted to act inappropriately on air while being sponsored.

No matter what job you go in, there will always people higher up than your immediate superiors. If your immediate superior wont respond to your inappropriate actions, people can always go to your immediate superior's immediate superior. That's just how things work.


They didn't think they were acting inappropriately, at least, I doubt they gave the slightest of shits -- until people slew baseless threats of boycott at them. Then at that point the decision is real easy. This is NOTHING like "the work place."


You make racist/homophobic remarks at work, and your customers are offended. Your branch manager wont respond to their complaints, so they go to corporate, and corporate will ask your manager to fire you. Even if the branch manager isn't made aware of the customer's complaints beforehand, it will always be in the customer's power to go the branch manager's immediate superior. That's EXACTLY how the work place works no matter where you go. So just don't act inappropriately and this wont happen to you.


...Lol. This is absolutely NOTHING like the work place. These are athletes/celebrities who have themselves to represent to a fanbase/public as much as they represent a team and it's sponsors. Workplace comparisons are non-existent nor relevant in the slightest. An employee for a company says a slur that customer stops buying the product. A player says a slur that fan stops watching his stream. It's pretty simple.


Customer can always do more than just stop buying a product, and they have. They can and will go to the manager or corporate, and acting like this never happens is just ignorance. The company doesn't want to look like it's condoning racism/homophobia, and thus, will deal with the liability in whatever way they think fit, and that includes firing it. If the athlete's team, or whatever company a celebrity has a contract with (or their immediate superiors), feels like their client is being a greater liability than asset, they will get rid of him/her. Celebrities aren't immune, look at Charlie Sheen for example. I don't follow sports, but there are also probably plenty of sport examples. It's pretty simple.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Road to EWC
22:00
Americas Open Qualifiers #1
SteadfastSC285
CranKy Ducklings163
CosmosSc2 140
Liquipedia
BSL: GosuLeague
18:30
RO16 Swiss - Round 4 out of 4
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft365
SteadfastSC 285
CosmosSc2 140
RuFF_SC2 87
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 903
Icarus 5
NaDa 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever130
BabyKnight55
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1657
fl0m1132
flusha452
Foxcn0
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0332
AZ_Axe159
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4385
Other Games
tarik_tv12237
summit1g11932
Day[9].tv949
ViBE326
ToD292
JuggernautJason113
QueenE62
NoRegreT_20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1034
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 25 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 101
• RyuSc2 38
• musti20045 35
• davetesta32
• HeavenSC 24
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 26
• Azhi_Dahaki19
• RayReign 17
• Rasowy 15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22155
• Ler108
League of Legends
• Doublelift4494
• Shiphtur1340
• TFBlade993
Other Games
• Day9tv949
Upcoming Events
GSL Code S
9h 44m
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
Road to EWC
10h 14m
Online Event
12h 44m
Road to EWC
16h 14m
Road to EWC
22h 14m
Road to EWC
1d 9h
Road to EWC
1d 10h
Road to EWC
1d 22h
Road to EWC
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Road to EWC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 19
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
YSL S1
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.