Match Making Rating Tool - Page 57

On July 02 2012 14:20 InfCereal wrote:


Yes, but your MMR should never drop on a win.

On July 01 2012 14:55 andrewSC23 wrote:

Nothing in Help system messages.. And it says trigger running in the log when I start MMR Tool but it shows nothing as I am laddering..

On July 02 2012 12:29 InfCereal wrote:
Hey Skeldark, my MMR just went down after a win, and then added an extra point at the end going back up. The finetune option didn't change it.

On July 02 2012 16:27 fapy wrote:


From the FAQs

My graph is wrong! i won a game and lost points or lost a game and got points!
Its not wrong. Every point have a deviation. So you dont see your exact mmr., in most case this deviation is +-24.
This explains the local mistakes. This kind of mistakes dont affect the graph. It stay local.

On July 02 2012 15:23 meursault wrote:
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5

I've gone 44 games above the diamond threshold and haven't been promoted. Is this pretty typical as it is struggling to determine which division I should be placed in.

http://imgur.com/v7tUP

On July 02 2012 15:23 meursault wrote:
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5

On July 02 2012 20:58 mugenfr wrote:
Hi,

After more than 5 games, the count is together 0.
No data game...

Log :
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Do I forget something ( Auto save replayes,profile, firewall, installation are ok) ?

On July 02 2012 23:03 mugenfr wrote:
thanks for your answer but the replay saved.

For example in folder sc2gears file 2012-07-02 13-35-44 MD5_fhiIDlv2V7$tyV6$cC7TuT.SC2Replay

the format of the file is good?

On July 02 2012 23:36 mugenfr wrote:
Yes i heard "replay saved" sound after the game. The file is saved but i don't see "post trigger running ".

log :
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I don't understand...

On July 02 2012 23:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never figured out... why are some of the player dots fully blue and some have a white center?
Still loving this tool btw, thank you for the hard work and constant updates.

Now I just need to figure out if 2400 mmr would be mid masters or high masters, seeing as the higher you go the less the population.

On July 02 2012 23:56 skeldark wrote:

blue WIN, white Loose ^^
click population link.
2400 is in the middle of master. But its moving exponential so:
Mid master on points
High master over population ( better than 2/3 of master player)

On July 03 2012 00:36 Clarity_nl wrote:


Thanks for the quick and accurate answer. Not sure how I didn't see the win/lose thing xD
Much appreciated. Couple days back I planned on donating but saw the message so it went to doctors without borders. =]

On June 29 2012 22:11 korona wrote:

There seems to be bug in 4.7 regarding division names. Previously all division names were shown in lowercase in 'log' dialogs 'analyse' tab. Now after 4.7 all new data uses mixed case regarding division names (both alg A & F+ data). Alg A thinks I have switched division from 'all lowercase' to 'All Lowercase'. Also as this is diamond division it then proceeds to calculate tiers for both separately.

Edit: I had played 3 games after 4.7. Now as I closed and then restarted sc2gears also data for 2 of those games disappeared from the MMR plugin. Now only lowercase division names remain and alg A sees only one division.

Edit 2: I checked the data files. log.txt contained the games that disappeared after sc2gears restart. Also games.dat had been updated just after those two missing games. Also worth to mention the only game that did not go missing from yesterday's session was game # 200 for that account, which could imply some kind of border value problem too.

Edit 3: Now I have played two games more. Again I am seeing mixed case division names and alg A thinks I have switched to new division (from lowered cased to mixed case). I closed the sc2gears and restarted it. The 2 new games disappeared from mmr plugin again. The games.dat once again had been updated just after the games. Now I will take backup copies from the data files and switch back to v.4.6. (fingers crossed that the data files are compatible). I can send the data files if needed as PM.

Edit 4: Same thing is happening with v. 4.6.

On June 30 2012 04:18 skeldark wrote:
@korona
i dont get it i save division names only in lower case.
lets see what next update makes out of it

On July 03 2012 08:47 korona wrote:


V 4.9 fixed the data file loading issue, but the mixed case division name issue continues. But now a likely reason can be deducted as new data can once again be loaded from games.dat.

When a new match has been played the post-trigger fetches the match info from the profile web pages. But at this point it seems that the division name is stored in mixed case into MMR plugin's memory. And thus the alg a & f would think the division has been changed from 'all lowercase' to 'All Lowercase'. But if sc2gears is restarted after this match, then the correct data is loaded from the games.dat in lowercase and alg A & F sees only one division.

This would suggest that the post-trigger does not convert the division names immediately to lowercase, but the conversion is done when the data is stored into the games.dat. And thus when its loaded from the games.dat everything is fine. I will PM you (skeldark) an example of my 'analyse' tab contents.


It would also be nice if the human readable player info regarding the match results would be available from the log file like before:

V 4.9 shows match data in this manner:
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Older versions showed match data regarding both the player & his opponent in this manner (some randomly chosen opponent taken from the game log file):
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On July 03 2012 08:59 xxgeffxx wrote:
autorage won season 7 withjust 400 games? wtf I coulda sworn I had the MMR tool get in the 600s at one point(until I downloaded yesterday the newest version where it started fresh), I was worker rushing in bronze like there was no tomorrow and got promoted and demoted on silver bronze at least 6 times(each or "round trip"). Did all my data not count because I didn't always keep up with the versions? Just how many of my games did you end up getting?

Here is my profile:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2849498/1/xxgeffxx/ladder/lastseason/leagues
440 wins alone, I'd guess to at least 200 losses to compensate otherwise I would've went into gold at one point

On July 02 2012 19:03 skeldark wrote:

Not mac! testet it and mac works fine.
It must be the save of the replays. Sc2gear dont find the replay folder and dont trigger me . check the settings and the folder.


I finetune games in the middle
e.g. A B C.
I look if i can adjust B depending on A and C. I could add an extra rule for the last game.

In theories we even know how much you loose win if we know the opponent mmr.
We know the real skill algorithm they use by now. ( there are not many out there and it was clear blizzard dont invent the wheel new...)



InfCereal test a new version that includes an finetuner, that try to correct this mistakes. However he can not always do that.
He try to correct it if he finds a mistake on both sites.

E.g.
A ( 1500) WIN --- B 1499 (WIN) - 1530 (LOOSE)

I see that the WIN of -1 from A-B is to small
The WIn from B-C 31 is too big

So i can correct B to 1515 without problems because its in his range of +-24 and it will not affect the other points.


A 1500 WIN B 1499 LOOSE C 1480
In this case the mistake is not so easy
Its A to high B to fine and C to low
Or A fine B to low C to low
or A to high B to high C fine

In such a case i will not correct to dont make follow up mistakes.



I think the "average" of the promotion is way more complicated than moving avg. The hole server population follows gauss.
But your skill do so too. Some people have a very small range. Means they are very consistent. Others are very inconsistent.
To compare them the skill alg. allways use the lowest 2% skill of each player. So two guys on 1500 can have a total diffrent range above it.


In this example natalia have a skill of 5 eric of 22.
This 2 are extrema. In real they are not so different.



I can not know this and its possible this one affects the promotion. In the end its not important. You are above the line = you have "diamond skill"- If you have the icon or not.


Possible. But the main reason they invented the system this way is to hide this data from the average user. the average user is not her e on tl and download skill tracking tools. In the end they can not build their game against the community forever.
I think they start to understand that they dont know better than we do what we want. or perhaps i just hope...

On July 03 2012 11:47 andrewSC23 wrote:


This is what my log says when I start MMR Tools. When I ladder it doesn't change, although I just rerouted the folder in settings in SC2 gears on my mac to the actual folder where all my replays are.

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On July 03 2012 11:54 skeldark wrote:


/users/[username]/Library/Application Support/Blizzard/StarCraft II/Accounts/[accountnr]/[accountnr2]/Replays/
?
my mac tester had trouble finding this folder too
so if you enable sound do you hear "replay saved" voice?
Sc2gears save the replay and than trigger me. The first thing the trigger does is writing "posttrigger" in the log so obvious hes never triggered...

On July 03 2012 12:08 andrewSC23 wrote:


I rerouted it to that folder, yeah. Well /users/username/library/appsupport/bliz/sc2/accounts/accountn/Replays/Multiplayer... that's where all my replays are. Is that the wrong place to route them? I did hear the voice that said the replay was saved after changing the folder, but my log didn't change in MMR Tools.

When I go to help>system messages it says the replay was successfully saved.