EPTOn July 03 2012 12:13 skeldark wrote:
wait a sec. he writes this into the log BUT he updates the log you see later..
there is a trick. If you close the program he saves the logfile.
So check the log.txt file!
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On July 03 2012 12:08 andrewSC23 wrote:
I rerouted it to that folder, yeah. Well /users/username/library/appsupport/bliz/sc2/accounts/accountn/Replays/Multiplayer... that's where all my replays are. Is that the wrong place to route them? I did hear the voice that said the replay was saved after changing the folder, but my log didn't change in MMR Tools.
When I go to help>system messages it says the replay was successfully saved.
On July 03 2012 11:54 skeldark wrote:
/users/[username]/Library/Application Support/Blizzard/StarCraft II/Accounts/[accountnr]/[accountnr2]/Replays/
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my mac tester had trouble finding this folder too
so if you enable sound do you hear "replay saved" voice?
Sc2gears save the replay and than trigger me. The first thing the trigger does is writing "posttrigger" in the log so obvious hes never triggered...
On July 03 2012 11:47 andrewSC23 wrote:
This is what my log says when I start MMR Tools. When I ladder it doesn't change, although I just rerouted the folder in settings in SC2 gears on my mac to the actual folder where all my replays are.
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On July 02 2012 19:03 skeldark wrote:
Not mac! testet it and mac works fine.
It must be the save of the replays. Sc2gear dont find the replay folder and dont trigger me . check the settings and the folder.
I finetune games in the middle
e.g. A B C.
I look if i can adjust B depending on A and C. I could add an extra rule for the last game.
In theories we even know how much you loose win if we know the opponent mmr.
We know the real skill algorithm they use by now. ( there are not many out there and it was clear blizzard dont invent the wheel new...)
InfCereal test a new version that includes an finetuner, that try to correct this mistakes. However he can not always do that.
He try to correct it if he finds a mistake on both sites.
E.g.
A ( 1500) WIN --- B 1499 (WIN) - 1530 (LOOSE)
I see that the WIN of -1 from A-B is to small
The WIn from B-C 31 is too big
So i can correct B to 1515 without problems because its in his range of +-24 and it will not affect the other points.
A 1500 WIN B 1499 LOOSE C 1480
In this case the mistake is not so easy
Its A to high B to fine and C to low
Or A fine B to low C to low
or A to high B to high C fine
In such a case i will not correct to dont make follow up mistakes.
I think the "average" of the promotion is way more complicated than moving avg. The hole server population follows gauss.
But your skill do so too. Some people have a very small range. Means they are very consistent. Others are very inconsistent.
To compare them the skill alg. allways use the lowest 2% skill of each player. So two guys on 1500 can have a total diffrent range above it.
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Zfbv3mHcYrc/S5cJKZ6voeI/AAAAAAAAKhM/BW_oakG7pRU/s576/TrueSkillCurvesBeforeExample.png)
In this example natalia have a skill of 5 eric of 22.
This 2 are extrema. In real they are not so different.
I can not know this and its possible this one affects the promotion. In the end its not important. You are above the line = you have "diamond skill"- If you have the icon or not.
Possible. But the main reason they invented the system this way is to hide this data from the average user. the average user is not her e on tl and download skill tracking tools. In the end they can not build their game against the community forever.
I think they start to understand that they dont know better than we do what we want. or perhaps i just hope...
On July 01 2012 14:55 andrewSC23 wrote:
Nothing in Help system messages.. And it says trigger running in the log when I start MMR Tool but it shows nothing as I am laddering..
Nothing in Help system messages.. And it says trigger running in the log when I start MMR Tool but it shows nothing as I am laddering..
Not mac! testet it and mac works fine.
It must be the save of the replays. Sc2gear dont find the replay folder and dont trigger me . check the settings and the folder.
On July 02 2012 12:29 InfCereal wrote:
Hey Skeldark, my MMR just went down after a win, and then added an extra point at the end going back up. The finetune option didn't change it.
Hey Skeldark, my MMR just went down after a win, and then added an extra point at the end going back up. The finetune option didn't change it.
I finetune games in the middle
e.g. A B C.
I look if i can adjust B depending on A and C. I could add an extra rule for the last game.
In theories we even know how much you loose win if we know the opponent mmr.
We know the real skill algorithm they use by now. ( there are not many out there and it was clear blizzard dont invent the wheel new...)
On July 02 2012 16:27 fapy wrote:
From the FAQs
My graph is wrong! i won a game and lost points or lost a game and got points!
Its not wrong. Every point have a deviation. So you dont see your exact mmr., in most case this deviation is +-24.
This explains the local mistakes. This kind of mistakes dont affect the graph. It stay local.
On July 02 2012 14:20 InfCereal wrote:
Yes, but your MMR should never drop on a win.
On July 02 2012 12:40 Aristotle7 wrote:
Isn't MMR gets calculated based on who you are playing against? So if the system decided to match you up versus a lower MMR despite previous win, nothing you can do, right?
On July 02 2012 12:29 InfCereal wrote:
Hey Skeldark, my MMR just went down after a win, and then added an extra point at the end going back up. The finetune option didn't change it.
Hey Skeldark, my MMR just went down after a win, and then added an extra point at the end going back up. The finetune option didn't change it.
Isn't MMR gets calculated based on who you are playing against? So if the system decided to match you up versus a lower MMR despite previous win, nothing you can do, right?
Yes, but your MMR should never drop on a win.
From the FAQs
My graph is wrong! i won a game and lost points or lost a game and got points!
Its not wrong. Every point have a deviation. So you dont see your exact mmr., in most case this deviation is +-24.
This explains the local mistakes. This kind of mistakes dont affect the graph. It stay local.
InfCereal test a new version that includes an finetuner, that try to correct this mistakes. However he can not always do that.
He try to correct it if he finds a mistake on both sites.
E.g.
A ( 1500) WIN --- B 1499 (WIN) - 1530 (LOOSE)
I see that the WIN of -1 from A-B is to small
The WIn from B-C 31 is too big
So i can correct B to 1515 without problems because its in his range of +-24 and it will not affect the other points.
A 1500 WIN B 1499 LOOSE C 1480
In this case the mistake is not so easy
Its A to high B to fine and C to low
Or A fine B to low C to low
or A to high B to high C fine
In such a case i will not correct to dont make follow up mistakes.
On July 02 2012 15:23 meursault wrote:
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5
I've gone 44 games above the diamond threshold and haven't been promoted. Is this pretty typical as it is struggling to determine which division I should be placed in.
http://imgur.com/v7tUP
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5
I've gone 44 games above the diamond threshold and haven't been promoted. Is this pretty typical as it is struggling to determine which division I should be placed in.
http://imgur.com/v7tUP
I think the "average" of the promotion is way more complicated than moving avg. The hole server population follows gauss.
But your skill do so too. Some people have a very small range. Means they are very consistent. Others are very inconsistent.
To compare them the skill alg. allways use the lowest 2% skill of each player. So two guys on 1500 can have a total diffrent range above it.
In this example natalia have a skill of 5 eric of 22.
This 2 are extrema. In real they are not so different.
I can not know this and its possible this one affects the promotion. In the end its not important. You are above the line = you have "diamond skill"- If you have the icon or not.
On July 02 2012 15:23 meursault wrote:
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5
I really like what you're doing with this tool. I hope blizzard doesn't hide even more information and make this impossible in patch 1.5
Possible. But the main reason they invented the system this way is to hide this data from the average user. the average user is not her e on tl and download skill tracking tools. In the end they can not build their game against the community forever.
I think they start to understand that they dont know better than we do what we want. or perhaps i just hope...
This is what my log says when I start MMR Tools. When I ladder it doesn't change, although I just rerouted the folder in settings in SC2 gears on my mac to the actual folder where all my replays are.
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22:46:10 MMR-Stats 4.9
22:46:10 --------INIT START--------
22:46:10 OK Encoding: UTF-8 is avalable on this System
22:46:10 OK Loading DB
22:46:12 OK DB up to date!
22:46:12 OK Settings loaded!
22:46:12 OK Gamedata: 0 Games loaded.
22:46:12 Mac-OS detected!
22:46:12 Disable Memoryreader...
22:46:12 Disable Gameobserver....
22:46:12 OK Triggers ready!
22:46:12 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 0 sec
22:46:13 OK: Program is up to date
22:46:13 --------INIT END--------
22:46:10 --------INIT START--------
22:46:10 OK Encoding: UTF-8 is avalable on this System
22:46:10 OK Loading DB
22:46:12 OK DB up to date!
22:46:12 OK Settings loaded!
22:46:12 OK Gamedata: 0 Games loaded.
22:46:12 Mac-OS detected!
22:46:12 Disable Memoryreader...
22:46:12 Disable Gameobserver....
22:46:12 OK Triggers ready!
22:46:12 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 0 sec
22:46:13 OK: Program is up to date
22:46:13 --------INIT END--------
/users/[username]/Library/Application Support/Blizzard/StarCraft II/Accounts/[accountnr]/[accountnr2]/Replays/
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my mac tester had trouble finding this folder too
so if you enable sound do you hear "replay saved" voice?
Sc2gears save the replay and than trigger me. The first thing the trigger does is writing "posttrigger" in the log so obvious hes never triggered...
I rerouted it to that folder, yeah. Well /users/username/library/appsupport/bliz/sc2/accounts/accountn/Replays/Multiplayer... that's where all my replays are. Is that the wrong place to route them? I did hear the voice that said the replay was saved after changing the folder, but my log didn't change in MMR Tools.
When I go to help>system messages it says the replay was successfully saved.
wait a sec. he writes this into the log BUT he updates the log you see later..
there is a trick. If you close the program he saves the logfile.
So check the log.txt file!
The log file has the same thing listed over and over again, but now it shows 0 games loaded instead of "error, no data found, time to start laddering!"
Maybe I just need to ladder now that I have rerouted the replay folder in SC2gears. I played a team game with a friend but I don't think those register in the program, do they?
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