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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 12:52:00
June 23 2012 12:29 GMT
#1001
On June 22 2012 19:10 Matklem wrote:
How many games played it needed, with sc2gears on that is for this to work?


On June 22 2012 19:46 orc145626 wrote:
i have everything installed replays saved etc. allowing it to run through my firewall and it says sc2 mmr stats. not enough data. what did i do wrong? no charts are showing. it shows my name in the top left though. but says games 0

On June 22 2012 20:16 Tomatopunch wrote:
can someone help me i dont understand how you install this program .... T_T when you have extracted your files , then there is nothing in the folder that you can actually press on ... there are some things but they just link you to some homepage... ?

On June 22 2012 20:37 Chaggi wrote:
Will it calculate my MMR based on the 1 game (and start the graph from there?) or will it start from however many replays I have?

On June 22 2012 21:11 gillon wrote:
Does it matter if I use it on an account that sc2gears isn't saving replays off? My sc2gears only saves replays off my main account so when I play on my smurf I just set the MMR tools to that account and hope that is enough but I haven't gotten a game recorded yet, so I wondered if it's supposed to work that way.

On June 23 2012 13:21 Siffer wrote:
I have a question, sorry if it has already been answered.

When looking at my MMR graph, it shows the diamond line at roughly ~1520. Does that meant hat everyone below that is diamond? Or is Diamond ~1520 - ~2000


On June 23 2012 16:10 Beren wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question that has an obvious answer (need to play more). I have been over masters MMR for about 15 to 20 games now as high as 2050 with a moving average of at 2015 right now. Just wondering if you have any information on how long you typically need to be above this in order to get a promotion.

I can't help but laugh cause I'm sure the answer is just keep playing you will get promoted if you deserve it. Thank for any comments and hopefully I didn't cause face palm.


Added new FAQ.



Installation: + Show Spoiler +

- Unpack.
- Copy everything into SC2Gears\Plugins folder.
- Start SC2Gears.
- Goto Tools menu - Plugin manager - Activate the plugin.
- Open gui over - Plugins - MMRstats
- On first start the Config should open automatic. Enter your BNet profile page url.
To find your profile page log onto Battle.Net webpage, go to Starcraft II, Click on your nickname in the upper right and click on profile.
- Make sure SC2Gears saves new replays! (Settings - Auto save replayes )
- Check that the application is not blocked by your firewall
- Have fun.


Bugs / Report+ Show Spoiler +

Known Bugs:
-Memory scanner dont work with Java-64 Bit version.

If you have a problem please post here, describe your problem and include the last normal and game log in spoilers.
Thank you.


FAQ+ Show Spoiler +
I installed the tool but dont see a graph! What to do?
The tool dont work with replays. It must be active while you playing a ladder game to track the gamedata!

When it does not work with replays than i dont need saved replays right?
It need the replay life! means it must be enabled before in and after the game and sc2gears must store the replay.

I have tracked games now but still dont see a graph! What to do?
The analyser need one 100% game to judge your data. Quality under 50% means something went wrong.
You can lower the chance this happens by activate the memory-scanner. Between 50%-100% depends on the game and is not in your hand. Just play more games. When you have one 100% game the analyser will analyse all games even the ones before and show the graph.

How many games do i need before i get a 100% game?
1 - infinity. Its not in your hand. Depends on the difference between you and your opponent in skill, league and tier.

When do i get promoted/demoted?
Who cares? its just random icons at random mmr points. But i think this is not the awnser you are looking for so:
If you are stable above or under a promotion line for several games. Even if you raise or drop a league you have to be stable first before the system promote/demote you.

My graph is wrong! i won a game and lost points or lost a game and got points!
Its not wrong. Every point have a deviation. So you dont see your exact mmr., in most case this deviation is +-24.
This explains the local mistakes. This kind of mistakes dont affect the graph. It stay local.


You graph is wrong it just jumped after only one game total
As more data as more accurate the analyser is. If you have less 100% games the graph is unstable because the analyser is not sure yet. If you get a game that show a mistake he will auto correct the hole graph.

You graph is wrong, it say im low, middle x but im clearly high x
you are not. Bnet system lie to you. Your top 8 spot in your division say nothing... Sorry.

I see when the gamedata is bad you add +16 for a win and -16 for a loose why not more accurate?
You loose more and win more depending the diffrence between you and your opponent. However to calculate the mmr i need to know the pointchange. To calculate the point change i need to know the mmr.
+-16 is the average change and brings good data. Even if one point in the graph is a little bit wrong because of this the hole graph is correct. Keep in mind this are only filler points. The real data is in the other "100%" points and they adjust the hole graph.



-------------
Im thinking over publishing the data on a website in long term. However for this i need to upload more information and also i will add an option if you want your data published. I will not publish any of your data without your permission. So the upload and publish option stay independent.
I will add an anonymous ID that the program will auto-generate and that you can carry on if you reinstall or use a different computer.
Save gaming: kill esport
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 23 2012 12:55 GMT
#1002
On June 23 2012 15:59 Not_That wrote:
Generally, the higher rated the opponent the more your MMR will increase for beating him, and the less it will decrease after losing to him. The rare exceptions occur when you or your opponent have played very few games in your careers. If your opponent has played very few games, your MMR won't change very much. If you only played very few games (in your career, not just the season), your MMR will shift wildly after every win and loss.

The graph does show just that in all cases except for the very last game that you've played, for which it will have the data as soon as you will have played one more game.

The cases where the graph appears to show otherwise are not because that's not the case, they are because the data that we have gives us MMR range for both you and your opponent, and we draw a dot in the middle of the range. But on occasions your MMR may be near the bottom or the top of the range. If before a game your MMR falls at the top of the range and after a win your MMR falls at the bottom of the range, it may appear on the graph as though your MMR dropped after a win. But in actuality it's a minor problem caused by the range. It would get very confusing if we drew ranges of MMR every game, so we draw a dot instead. On average it should (and does) behave well in most cases, so it is good enough for the purposes of tracking your MMR.

Thats valid for real games for fake games i add 16 for win and -16 for loose. Reasons see faq.
example for real games:
Point A 1000 points WIN
Point B 990 point loose
You think : how could i drop ? but in real:
A 1000 +-24
B 990 +-24
So perhaps
A 985
B 1010
This mistake dont add up and is not carried on, so it stay local only on this 2 points and is in a very small range.
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Not_That
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
June 23 2012 15:05 GMT
#1003
On June 23 2012 16:10 Beren wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question that has an obvious answer (need to play more). I have been over masters MMR for about 15 to 20 games now as high as 2050 with a moving average of at 2015 right now. Just wondering if you have any information on how long you typically need to be above this in order to get a promotion.

I can't help but laugh cause I'm sure the answer is just keep playing you will get promoted if you deserve it. Thank for any comments and hopefully I didn't cause face palm.


Can you post or PM me your profile page url?
EPICWINZ
Profile Joined April 2012
38 Posts
June 23 2012 21:13 GMT
#1004
On June 24 2012 00:05 Not_That wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 16:10 Beren wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question that has an obvious answer (need to play more). I have been over masters MMR for about 15 to 20 games now as high as 2050 with a moving average of at 2015 right now. Just wondering if you have any information on how long you typically need to be above this in order to get a promotion.

I can't help but laugh cause I'm sure the answer is just keep playing you will get promoted if you deserve it. Thank for any comments and hopefully I didn't cause face palm.


Can you post or PM me your profile page url?


I remember someone telling me on here that you only get promoted when your mmr stablilizes at 73 higher than the promotion line..


And strangely enough, 3 games in a row my mmr was 73 or higher above the gold promotion line and I got promoted to gold.

So that could be why....
For the Swarm!
Powerstrike
Profile Joined July 2010
50 Posts
June 23 2012 22:19 GMT
#1005
Whats the minimum MMR required to join europe ladder gm atm?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 22:59:36
June 23 2012 22:59 GMT
#1006
On June 24 2012 06:13 EPICWINZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 00:05 Not_That wrote:
On June 23 2012 16:10 Beren wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question that has an obvious answer (need to play more). I have been over masters MMR for about 15 to 20 games now as high as 2050 with a moving average of at 2015 right now. Just wondering if you have any information on how long you typically need to be above this in order to get a promotion.

I can't help but laugh cause I'm sure the answer is just keep playing you will get promoted if you deserve it. Thank for any comments and hopefully I didn't cause face palm.


Can you post or PM me your profile page url?


I remember someone telling me on here that you only get promoted when your mmr stablilizes at 73 higher than the promotion line..


And strangely enough, 3 games in a row my mmr was 73 or higher above the gold promotion line and I got promoted to gold.

So that could be why....

the promotion line is already 73 points above the 0 line of the league.

On June 24 2012 07:19 Powerstrike wrote:
Whats the minimum MMR required to join europe ladder gm atm?

unkown at the moment. Have to check the data, i think we have 1-4 gm eu users, perhaps they can say what their mmr on promotion day was.
Save gaming: kill esport
andrewSC23
Profile Joined June 2012
United States25 Posts
June 23 2012 23:27 GMT
#1007
Still doesn't work for Mac OS X. I guess it never will.
HavokAndre
Profile Joined June 2012
United States7 Posts
June 24 2012 00:16 GMT
#1008
I can not get SC2 gears to recognize the plug-in can i get some help???
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 00:57:19
June 24 2012 00:55 GMT
#1009
On June 24 2012 08:27 andrewSC23 wrote:
Still doesn't work for Mac OS X. I guess it never will.

why not?
where is the problem?
dont you see the plugin? there was a problem with the latest sc2gears update and the new plugin interface.
Try to reinstall sc2gear in this case?

On June 24 2012 09:16 HavokAndre wrote:
I can not get SC2 gears to recognize the plug-in can i get some help???

did you update sc2gears?
do you use mac? see above!
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andrewSC23
Profile Joined June 2012
United States25 Posts
June 24 2012 00:57 GMT
#1010
It just doesn't show up in my plugin manager. I can get it to work in Windows 7 without a problem. Just under OSX it doesn't show up. I am running the latest Sc2gears and MMRTools.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 24 2012 01:04 GMT
#1011
On June 24 2012 09:57 andrewSC23 wrote:
It just doesn't show up in my plugin manager. I can get it to work in Windows 7 without a problem. Just under OSX it doesn't show up. I am running the latest Sc2gears and MMRTools.


try to reinstall new version of sc2gear. If it does not show up this is a sc2gear problem.
I will ask the creator if he can search for the bug.
Save gaming: kill esport
andrewSC23
Profile Joined June 2012
United States25 Posts
June 24 2012 01:19 GMT
#1012
On June 24 2012 10:04 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 09:57 andrewSC23 wrote:
It just doesn't show up in my plugin manager. I can get it to work in Windows 7 without a problem. Just under OSX it doesn't show up. I am running the latest Sc2gears and MMRTools.


try to reinstall new version of sc2gear. If it does not show up this is a sc2gear problem.
I will ask the creator if he can search for the bug.


No dice. I reinstalled both the plugin and SC2gears and still haven't gotten it to show up.

I guess its an SC2gears problem
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 24 2012 01:26 GMT
#1013
On June 24 2012 10:19 andrewSC23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 10:04 skeldark wrote:
On June 24 2012 09:57 andrewSC23 wrote:
It just doesn't show up in my plugin manager. I can get it to work in Windows 7 without a problem. Just under OSX it doesn't show up. I am running the latest Sc2gears and MMRTools.


try to reinstall new version of sc2gear. If it does not show up this is a sc2gear problem.
I will ask the creator if he can search for the bug.


No dice. I reinstalled both the plugin and SC2gears and still haven't gotten it to show up.

I guess its an SC2gears problem

must have something to do with the new sc2gears plugin-interface. I will contact the author.
Save gaming: kill esport
Prillan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
June 24 2012 11:03 GMT
#1014
On June 24 2012 09:55 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 08:27 andrewSC23 wrote:
Still doesn't work for Mac OS X. I guess it never will.

why not?
where is the problem?

Well, you can't run the pre-trigger on OS X. It doesn't have a registry and I don't think SCII outputs the apm value anywhere else.
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 11:11:33
June 24 2012 11:11 GMT
#1015
On June 24 2012 20:03 Prillan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 09:55 skeldark wrote:
On June 24 2012 08:27 andrewSC23 wrote:
Still doesn't work for Mac OS X. I guess it never will.

why not?
where is the problem?

Well, you can't run the pre-trigger on OS X. It doesn't have a registry and I don't think SCII outputs the apm value anywhere else.

Yes the pretrigger and ramscanner cant work on mac.
But the program can run without this two.
Save gaming: kill esport
tennogh
Profile Joined December 2011
France3 Posts
June 25 2012 00:55 GMT
#1016
Hi,
Sorry if this has been explained already, but looking at your data tables, I see that bronze MMR peaks very high (higher than silver, gold and platinum) and that is not just due to a small number of observations. Do you know the reason ?
HeIsLegend
Profile Joined April 2012
Israel14 Posts
June 25 2012 00:57 GMT
#1017
What is the promotionline for?does it matter which leagues do i pick?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 01:08:25
June 25 2012 01:05 GMT
#1018
On June 25 2012 09:55 tennogh wrote:
Hi,
Sorry if this has been explained already, but looking at your data tables, I see that bronze MMR peaks very high (higher than silver, gold and platinum) and that is not just due to a small number of observations. Do you know the reason ?

If you look at the DMMR:
Diamond and Bronze are the biggest leagues.
But if you look at the gauss graph you understand that more people are in high bronze than people are in high dia.

If you look at MMR:
Thats because people drop to bronze and than ladder up with mass wins. If they did it in the league lock they get higher mmr than higher leagues.


On June 25 2012 09:57 HeIsLegend wrote:
What is the promotionline for?does it matter which leagues do i pick?

It shows a line. Thats all, it does not affect the data.

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HeIsLegend
Profile Joined April 2012
Israel14 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 01:37:09
June 25 2012 01:16 GMT
#1019
On June 25 2012 10:05 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:55 tennogh wrote:
Hi,
Sorry if this has been explained already, but looking at your data tables, I see that bronze MMR peaks very high (higher than silver, gold and platinum) and that is not just due to a small number of observations. Do you know the reason ?

If you look at the DMMR:
Diamond and Bronze are the biggest leagues.
But if you look at the gauss graph you understand that more people are in high bronze than people are in high dia.

If you look at MMR:
Thats because people drop to bronze and than ladder up with mass wins. If they did it in the league lock they get higher mmr than higher leagues.


Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 09:57 HeIsLegend wrote:
What is the promotionline for?does it matter which leagues do i pick?

It shows a line. Thats all, it does not affect the data.


I see,so how come there is an option to click on the league symbols?

EDIT:

nevermind,i asked the question before the i got the 100% match
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
June 25 2012 16:08 GMT
#1020
I have a question, is it against Blizzard EULA if i use it without enabling Scan-Memory option. I think it still reads the ram though anyone can clarify this ?
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