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On August 17 2014 00:36 kuan888 wrote:
I have a similar problem seen some pages ago, but i didnt found a fix.
My problem is i have played 65 games and it still saying:''needs better games''. Note thats its a new account and my mmr is up to date (10.3). Is it normal ? 65games. first i installed it in the page i took lot less than that to get a curve.
It's up to several things: 1) Location of your MMR regarding your league MMR range and from what league your opponents are (at low range your MMR cannot usually be calculated unless your opponent is from the lower league), 2) Is it early season or mid to late season (early season many have not reached their typical adjusted points --> less suitable data), 3) Is memory reader enabled (if memory reader is off your MMR can only be calculated if you lose & opponent has remaining bonus pool after the match and multiple other requirements), 4) Luck (who your opponents are (is their data suitable), did Bnet web profiles update promptly (out-of-sync issue is quite common nowadays)), 5) Is everything configured correctly regarding the tool & Sc2gears / is the tool up-to-date, 6) has the DB file been locked (DB file is usually locked for few days during season switches as it takes time for Blizzard to update the web profiles).
This older link contains some info how your position in your league MMR range affects your changes to get good calculation results (please note that league offsets / thresholds were different back then, but the basic idea is still valid): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19316583
Edit: I tried to find your account from the uploaded data to check if everything is ok, but there was no accounts that were named similarly as your TL nick.
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On August 17 2014 01:19 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 00:36 kuan888 wrote:
I have a similar problem seen some pages ago, but i didnt found a fix.
My problem is i have played 65 games and it still saying:''needs better games''. Note thats its a new account and my mmr is up to date (10.3). Is it normal ? 65games. first i installed it in the page i took lot less than that to get a curve. It's up to several things: 1) Location of your MMR regarding your league MMR range and from what league your opponents are (at low range your MMR cannot usually be calculated unless your opponent is from the lower league), 2) Is it early season or mid to late season (early season many have not reached their typical adjusted points --> less suitable data), 3) Is memory reader enabled (if memory reader is off your MMR can only be calculated if you lose & opponent has remaining bonus pool after the match and multiple other requirements), 4) Luck (who your opponents are (is their data suitable), did Bnet web profiles update promptly (out-of-sync issue is quite common nowadays)), 5) Is everything configured correctly regarding the tool & Sc2gears / is the tool up-to-date, 6) has the DB file been locked (DB file is usually locked for few days during season switches as it takes time for Blizzard to update the web profiles). This older link contains some info how your position in your league MMR range affects your changes to get good calculation results (please note that league offsets / thresholds were different back then, but the basic idea is still valid): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19316583Edit: I tried to find your account from the uploaded data to check if everything is ok, but there was no accounts that were named similarly as your TL nick.
So i have to wait? no its not my account name.
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On August 17 2014 02:47 kuan888 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 01:19 korona wrote:On August 17 2014 00:36 kuan888 wrote:
I have a similar problem seen some pages ago, but i didnt found a fix.
My problem is i have played 65 games and it still saying:''needs better games''. Note thats its a new account and my mmr is up to date (10.3). Is it normal ? 65games. first i installed it in the page i took lot less than that to get a curve. It's up to several things: 1) Location of your MMR regarding your league MMR range and from what league your opponents are (at low range your MMR cannot usually be calculated unless your opponent is from the lower league), 2) Is it early season or mid to late season (early season many have not reached their typical adjusted points --> less suitable data), 3) Is memory reader enabled (if memory reader is off your MMR can only be calculated if you lose & opponent has remaining bonus pool after the match and multiple other requirements), 4) Luck (who your opponents are (is their data suitable), did Bnet web profiles update promptly (out-of-sync issue is quite common nowadays)), 5) Is everything configured correctly regarding the tool & Sc2gears / is the tool up-to-date, 6) has the DB file been locked (DB file is usually locked for few days during season switches as it takes time for Blizzard to update the web profiles). This older link contains some info how your position in your league MMR range affects your changes to get good calculation results (please note that league offsets / thresholds were different back then, but the basic idea is still valid): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19316583Edit: I tried to find your account from the uploaded data to check if everything is ok, but there was no accounts that were named similarly as your TL nick. So i have to wait? no its not my account name.
Correct. If the tool is configured correctly and up-to-date then all you can do is wait. The out-of-sync issue the web profiles are experiencing cause that less of the recorded data is usable. But people still keep getting good calculations from time to time (up to luck & your position in your league's MMR range). Some get even plenty, like for example this poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22783906
Also note that two of his calculations were incorrect out of 15. It means incorrect calculations happen sometimes too. With very bad luck the first result can be such. But after couple of good results you can be quite sure. I hope you will get your rating soon.
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On August 17 2014 07:03 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 02:47 kuan888 wrote:On August 17 2014 01:19 korona wrote:On August 17 2014 00:36 kuan888 wrote:
I have a similar problem seen some pages ago, but i didnt found a fix.
My problem is i have played 65 games and it still saying:''needs better games''. Note thats its a new account and my mmr is up to date (10.3). Is it normal ? 65games. first i installed it in the page i took lot less than that to get a curve. It's up to several things: 1) Location of your MMR regarding your league MMR range and from what league your opponents are (at low range your MMR cannot usually be calculated unless your opponent is from the lower league), 2) Is it early season or mid to late season (early season many have not reached their typical adjusted points --> less suitable data), 3) Is memory reader enabled (if memory reader is off your MMR can only be calculated if you lose & opponent has remaining bonus pool after the match and multiple other requirements), 4) Luck (who your opponents are (is their data suitable), did Bnet web profiles update promptly (out-of-sync issue is quite common nowadays)), 5) Is everything configured correctly regarding the tool & Sc2gears / is the tool up-to-date, 6) has the DB file been locked (DB file is usually locked for few days during season switches as it takes time for Blizzard to update the web profiles). This older link contains some info how your position in your league MMR range affects your changes to get good calculation results (please note that league offsets / thresholds were different back then, but the basic idea is still valid): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19316583Edit: I tried to find your account from the uploaded data to check if everything is ok, but there was no accounts that were named similarly as your TL nick. Ok, big thanx! So i have to wait? no its not my account name. Correct. If the tool is configured correctly and up-to-date then all you can do is wait. The out-of-sync issue the web profiles are experiencing cause that less of the recorded data is usable. But people still keep getting good calculations from time to time (up to luck & your position in your league's MMR range). Some get even plenty, like for example this poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22783906Also note that two of his calculations were incorrect out of 15. It means incorrect calculations happen sometimes too. With very bad luck the first result can be such. But after couple of good results you can be quite sure. I hope you will get your rating soon.
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ok so what are the recommended settings atm
mov. avg
oponent
dots
auto correct
upload statistic data
memory reader
mark assumptions bad games
enable finetuner
should i have all of them enabled or what?
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On August 23 2014 01:57 SwiftRH wrote:
ok so what are the recommended settings atm
mov. avg
oponent
dots
auto correct
upload statistic data
memory reader
mark assumptions bad games
enable finetuner
should i have all of them enabled or what?
Moving average should usually be disabled. It makes the graph look smoother but at the same time hides accurate values & makes it harder to spot possible incorrect values. Also it has never corresponded Blizzard's moving average (the exact formula that Blizzard used is unknown). Also since HotS the promotions have happened pretty much immediately after player crosses league thresholds. Thus it is possible that moving average is not used anymore regarding promotions.
Opponent's values can either be on or off depending on what you prefer. Opponent values can also give info regarding your MMR as opponents are usually picked from quite close range. Then again those values can rarely also be incorrect just like your own (the out-of-sync issue causes data errors more often nowadays).
Dots make it easier to notice individual matches from the graph and see their color coding. It is also easy to hover your mouse cursor over them to get match specific info.
Auto-correct should most of the time be disabled. It 'fixes' likely bad values on fly (does not change the saved data, but makes fixes to the graph), but at the same time makes it harder to notice potential incorrect values. If you get spikes in your graph you can test out how the auto-correct would fix it (it usually does nice work, but in some cases it can suggest incorrect fixes) and afterwards manually mark some games bad if needed.
Upload statistic data should preferably be kept on. If it is on, the tool uploads match data to the MMR tool server after each match. That data is not publicly available. It is used for calculating offsets, monitoring the general data quality and checking specific users' data if needed. Only few persons have access to it.
Memory reader should preferably be enabled as it makes it possible to collect pre-match data for the opponent from his SC2 web profiles. Memory reading is against Blizzard's ToS, but likelihood getting banned for it in this case is minimal (no-one of the thousands of users who have used it during last couple of years have been banned due it). Also the data it reads is 'harmless' (player name, player id, opponent name, opponent id) so it is unlikely that Blizzard would specifically target it (they can anytime download it and check the data it fetches is harmless. It is certain that they are aware of the tool's existence). But each user can make his own decision regarding this setting (it is disabled by default).
Mark assumptions / bad games should preferably be enabled. If it is enable, you can see which games are considered 'good'. It is also easier to spot potential incorrect values if you have multiple 'good games'.
Fine-tuner should preferably kept enabled. Each good calculation has certain error margins. The fine-tuner adjusts values for individual games inside these error margins to create more accurate graph.
There are several different markers available for the graph. I would enable promotion lines for the nearest leagues. Some of the other markers like 'missing games' often give incorrect info at the moment due to the out-of-sync issue that Blizzard's web profiles are suffering from since February.
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hi, when i ladder on na instead of eu and select the correct active profile, the tool detects game starts and so on, but doesnt get any info. not even bad games, just no games 0/0?
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On August 26 2014 21:07 Vladoks wrote:
hi, when i ladder on na instead of eu and select the correct active profile, the tool detects game starts and so on, but doesnt get any info. not even bad games, just no games 0/0?
You likely have not configured Sc2gears auto-save correctly. End game detection is triggered when replays are auto-saved. Go to the Sc2gears 'Settings' and choose 'Miscellaneous settings'. The auto-save settings are two tabs: 'Replay auto-save' and 'Folders'. Note that if you use several accounts on several servers you need to set several SC2 auto replay folders. Test that the auto-save is working e.g. via starting & leaving custom games (Having 'Replay saved' sound enabled is helpful). Also remember to check that replay auto-save is enabled (setting in 'Settings' menu).
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ah yeah that sounds right  thanks for the help!
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Hi,
The MMR adjust it self and made me went from ~750 to ~950. Is this correct?
I have enable Mark assumptions / bad games
Screenshot
http://i.imgur.com/jCwTs7D.png
Analysis Log
+ Show Spoiler +Finetuning: Avg dif :11.150685 Game: 14 jump: -146 Correction: -14 JUMP -146,-152,-146 ERROR: Game: 14 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-146 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data Game: 16 jump: 9 Correction: 9 Game: 17 jump: 3 Correction: 3 Game: 26 jump: 16 Correction: 14 Game: 27 jump: 2 Correction: 2 Game: 46 jump: 3 Correction: 3 Game: 48 jump: 16 Correction: 16 Game: 64 jump: -360 Correction: -26 JUMP -364,-360,-360 ERROR: Game: 64 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-360 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data Game: 69 jump: 25 Correction: 14 Game: 71 jump: 2 Correction: 2 Game: 80 jump: 1 Correction: 1 Game: 98 jump: 12 Correction: 12 Game: 100 jump: -49 Correction: -14 Game: 117 jump: 46 Correction: 14 Avg dif after finetune :8.767123
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On September 01 2014 11:03 Zalnlol wrote:Hi, The MMR adjust it self and made me went from ~750 to ~950. Is this correct? I have enable Mark assumptions / bad games Screenshot http://i.imgur.com/jCwTs7D.pngAnalysis Log + Show Spoiler +Finetuning: Avg dif :11.150685 Game: 14 jump: -146 Correction: -14 JUMP -146,-152,-146 ERROR: Game: 14 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-146 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data Game: 16 jump: 9 Correction: 9 Game: 17 jump: 3 Correction: 3 Game: 26 jump: 16 Correction: 14 Game: 27 jump: 2 Correction: 2 Game: 46 jump: 3 Correction: 3 Game: 48 jump: 16 Correction: 16 Game: 64 jump: -360 Correction: -26 JUMP -364,-360,-360 ERROR: Game: 64 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-360 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data Game: 69 jump: 25 Correction: 14 Game: 71 jump: 2 Correction: 2 Game: 80 jump: 1 Correction: 1 Game: 98 jump: 12 Correction: 12 Game: 100 jump: -49 Correction: -14 Game: 117 jump: 46 Correction: 14 Avg dif after finetune :8.767123
With looking at the graph you provided you can see that most of the 'good games' are in line with each others except 3 (win in early graph, win in middle graph, win at the end of the graph). Those 3 are very likely invalid values. When looking at your graph based on uploaded data, you got another likely invalid 'good game' after you posted.
Of course if Blizzard would make offset changes there would be spikes. But it seems they have not made any changes lately (league history data from nios.kr has no sudden changes during this season). Thus it is pretty safe to mark all of those 4 games (opponents Pragmatist, Speel, MowYowDew, Solar) bad via 'Config' > 'Data' > 'Refresh' > select matches from dropdown list and mark as bad game. If you wish you can always take a backup copy of the data file if something goes wrong (e.g. if there has been unnoticed offset changes that are later noticed). The 'games_i.data' that stores the current match data is located at [PATH_TO]\Sc2gears\User content\Plugin file cache\mmr.plugin.MMRPlugin\
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Thanks, the graph looks much more consistent now.
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Korona, thank you for speedy answer to my previous question
Now I have something else to ask, I recall reading somewhere that ranked an unranked games, use diferent mmr value, independent one from the other (is this so?)
If it is (and i think it is) ive might have a problem, because lately i was about to get promoted to diamond acording to mmrstats, then i played, and lost 3 unranked games, with were recorded in mmrstats, then my mmr had lowered away from the diamond offset, but I played 2 more ranked games, won both, and got promoted to diamond, but still my mmr was lower than before.
So assuming my unranked games dont affect my ranked mmr, what seems pretty rasonable due to my promotion, my current mmr does not match what it should be, is there a way to delete those unrenked games y played? Is this a program problem, or im supoosed to play unranked games with mmrstats off? Or do unranked games affect my ranked mmr?
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Marking the 3 unranked games as bad games, too, should do the trick i guess.
Congratz for the promotion btw.
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On September 14 2014 04:47 Zepk wrote:Korona, thank you for speedy answer to my previous question Now I have something else to ask, I recall reading somewhere that ranked an unranked games, use diferent mmr value, independent one from the other (is this so?) If it is (and i think it is) ive might have a problem, because lately i was about to get promoted to diamond acording to mmrstats, then i played, and lost 3 unranked games, with were recorded in mmrstats, then my mmr had lowered away from the diamond offset, but I played 2 more ranked games, won both, and got promoted to diamond, but still my mmr was lower than before. So assuming my unranked games dont affect my ranked mmr, what seems pretty rasonable due to my promotion, my current mmr does not match what it should be, is there a way to delete those unrenked games y played? Is this a program problem, or im supoosed to play unranked games with mmrstats off? Or do unranked games affect my ranked mmr? + Show Spoiler +
If there are recorded unranked matches, then you should delete those via 'Config' > 'Data' > 'Refresh' > select matches from the dropdown > 'Delete game' (for ranked games with incorrect values never delete, but use 'mark as bad game' instead).
Due to the out-of-sync issue of the web profiles I indeed had to disable the unranked detection for lost matches as it nowadays gives lots of false positives (after lost match it appears in a match history with point change of '0' and if the ladder division page does not change it seems like no ranked matches were played (match counters do not increase, nor points & bonus points are deducted) --> false positive). It is a shame that Blizzard does not separate ranked and unranked matches in match history nor in replay files in any way. Thus it has to be determined based on the profile changes. And if the changes are out-of-sync there will be problems.
Unranked has its own MMR that can be calculated just like the ranked MMR if the opponents data is suitable. Thus a recorded unranked match from witch the MMR can be calculated will cause problems if that MMR differs from the ranked MMR (like it most of the time does). Of course also recorded unranked matches from which the MMR cannot be calculated will cause problems too, but only for the 'estimate change' of 16 MMR points each.
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Russian Federation2 Posts
Hello, sir.
I am using the plugin for a long time (about 2 years), but I never understood what the Promotionline actually stands for. I mean, does this line show minimum MMR to promote to platinum or to promote from platinum?
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Another question is what should I do if I have too much bad \ missing games. The plugin has gone crazy, the left side of the graph represents my MMR when i was in gold league, and the right is plat:
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1 false platinum -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Justin
2 false diamond -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 Ragequitzerg
3 false diamond -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Snopy
4 false diamond 61 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 28 toto
5 false diamond 92 opp diamond 56 errormargin 28 merchant
6 false diamond -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Rose
7 false diamond -9999 opp diamond 97 errormargin 0 Johnnie
8 false diamond -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 WhitePhoenix
9 false diamond -9999 opp diamond 85 errormargin 0 IlIlIlIlIlIl
10 false diamond -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Nabla
11 true gold 197 opp gold 233 errormargin 29 eVERLAST
12 false gold -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Hacip
13 true gold 209 opp gold 75 errormargin 30 ExRiot
14 false platinum -9999 opp gold -9999 errormargin 0 ZOMBiE
15 false platinum 91 opp platinum 73 errormargin 28 sven
16 false platinum -9999 opp diamond -9999 errormargin 0 Affinity
17 false platinum 59 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 29 Noodles
18 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 Mykonos
19 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 60 errormargin 0 THRUSTMASTER
20 false platinum 73 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 28 Seraphim
21 false platinum 97 opp platinum 47 errormargin 28 Dafuq
22 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 Dafuq
23 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 NurseTard
24 false platinum 60 opp platinum 95 errormargin 28 Lgds%C7%82Shido
25 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 60 errormargin 0 Spectre
26 false platinum 45 opp platinum 77 errormargin 28 Harrdowner
27 false platinum 48 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 29 Necros
28 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 71 errormargin 0 Quimera
29 false platinum 82 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 28 Karamba
30 false platinum 65 opp platinum 75 errormargin 30 BalThaZaR
31 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 cURE
32 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 Amunzen
33 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 86 errormargin 0 SoldierS
34 false platinum 77 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 28 sunny
35 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 ZATUPAN
36 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 72 errormargin 0 Quimera
37 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 Ricocotam
38 false platinum -9999 opp error -9999 errormargin 0 Erthain
39 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 BiTTzuX
40 true platinum 154 opp gold -9999 errormargin 28 Joker
41 false platinum -9999 opp gold -9999 errormargin 0 Kishin
42 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 90 errormargin 0 chudatta
43 false platinum 51 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 29 Quarz
44 false platinum 68 opp platinum 101 errormargin 30 Chillidawg
45 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 62 errormargin 0 PainIsVapo
46 false platinum -9999 opp platinum 47 errormargin 0 SaroX
47 false platinum -9999 opp silver 81 errormargin 0 TORPEURE
48 false platinum -9999 opp platinum -9999 errormargin 0 masyy
Gamecount: 48
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Finetuning:
Avg dif :3.0625
Game: 13
jump: -12
Correction: -12
Avg dif after finetune :2.5625
Which definetely cannot be true as I am currently winning more than loosing and progressing to Diamond.
Maybe I should do a full reset or something? If yes, then how can I do a full reset? Should I delete all the plugin files?
Thanks in advance.
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