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dde
Canada796 Posts
On May 04 2012 13:42 blade55555 wrote: Here's the difference. Can build a factory and reactors, and 4 hellions can roast a mineral line in seconds if they get in. Seems legit :D if you did let them get in and let them toasted ur drones it means u did something really bad :D | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:55 dde wrote: if you did let them get in and let them toasted ur drones it means u did something really bad :D I miss early launch when this was pretty common at pro level XD | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:18 Endymion wrote: if the change gets in zvz will really stabilize into 15 hatch imo, because there are already builds on EU and KR (i've also seen some on NA) where you just get queens and spines to defend while devoting all larva to drones, it's already basically the go to opening... now anything other than it is suicide with this range increase, take it for what you will i guess also, here's a choice post i found on the feedback thread on the bnet forums: "This is very stupid. Also, why would you change Antiga? The third's ramp is as big as a whale's !@#$%^" the problem with 15 hatch is the phase before queens pop, so i doubt that ^^ (9 pool dronepull being the absolute hardcounter) | ||
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Rayjin
Germany205 Posts
Early game ZvT is awful and bugs me since the beginning. | ||
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HyunA
Romania362 Posts
get a job. | ||
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Xyst
Turkey66 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:38 Gackt_ wrote: I freaking loved this video, it shows the acutal speed of the ovi and something extra special...! oh my god I can't breath, hahahahahahahahah this is simply amazing :D | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:29 Xyst wrote: oh my god I can't breath, hahahahahahahahah this is simply amazing :D XFD That's great! | ||
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Twerrax
Norway20 Posts
Well there you go.. that puts things in perspective doesnt it? Geez | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:21 Gator wrote: maybe queens could kite zealots on creep if they have 5 range? queens cannot kite, doesnt matter if they 10 range. their attack animation is too long, it's 2 attacks of 4 damage each and if you move mid-animation you only do 4 (half) the damage. If you try to move right after the animation completes you'll just end up reducing the dps. So no you should not kite with queens, or you'll just end up doing less damage. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:55 dde wrote: if you did let them get in and let them toasted ur drones it means u did something really bad :D Don't forget that with extra energy from first double queen, Zerg also have creep tumor up at base and extra 4 larva to make zergling/drones. They usually bank around 150,200 mineral around that time because they don't have enough larva anyway lol. | ||
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Wes-Palladini
Canada3 Posts
On May 03 2012 09:01 Jumbled wrote: In most games, creep spread actually tends to peak around the late midgame. Beyond that, P and T have enough detection and damage wandering around that it becomes hard for Zergs to push the creep out further unless they're really dominating. Agree, adding more starting energy to get an earlier creep tumor is going to do very little for zerg in ZvT. The first 2 hellions will just kill it like usual. Increasing overlord speed is a good idea or please just fix Korhal Compound. As it is right now Terran can get 2 marines out to kill the first overlord before it makes it safely behind the enemies natural. I still think Thors are OP. Too easy for Terran to pump them off of 2 bases, A attack into any zerg composition and just stomp. Please reduce contaminate cost on overseers so at least zerg has a chance to delay thors from coming out. I cant remember the last time I even saw a pro use contaminate. | ||
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Audio
United States60 Posts
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TheSwarmRocks
Australia1 Post
On May 04 2012 10:38 Gackt_ wrote: I freaking loved this video, it shows the acutal speed of the ovi and something extra special...! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1rfRwIuXTg This is GOLD!!! | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
the idea of having more creep early is very intersting and could be implemented in other ways too if 50 energy queens is regarded as too powerful, this queen range increasement on the other hand seems dull and won't even help significantly against "early allins and timing attacks" they were trying to buff zerg against | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:14 Tsubbi wrote: very disappointed they revert a change after 24 hours without even giving a statement, especially since the new way of testing is available to way more people than on ptr the idea of having more creep early is very intersting and could be implemented in other ways too if 50 energy queens is regarded as too powerful, this queen range increasement on the other hand seems dull and won't even help significantly against "early allins and timing attacks" they were trying to buff zerg against The overlord speed buff making scouting a little easier is a buff against that too. And greater range queens is a really big deal, it can sit up ramps and hit enemies all the way down the ramp now, and can more easily be controlled for more effectiveness. | ||
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ALPINA
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Ukraine39 Posts
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Liquid`TLO
Germany767 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:14 Tsubbi wrote: very disappointed they revert a change after 24 hours without even giving a statement, especially since the new way of testing is available to way more people than on ptr the idea of having more creep early is very intersting and could be implemented in other ways too if 50 energy queens is regarded as too powerful, this queen range increasement on the other hand seems dull and won't even help significantly against "early allins and timing attacks" they were trying to buff zerg against well the energy boost was just insane, I could have shown that within 30 minutes of testing. On the other hand increasing range from 3 to 5 is pretty neat and quite a huge change. It'll make it much easier to defend allins. Small changes lead to significant differences. The favour of battles in sc2 shift incredibely quick and killing 1 more marine in an all-in situation can make the difference between defeat or victory. | ||
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Audio
United States60 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:24 Whitewing wrote: The overlord speed buff making scouting a little easier is a buff against that too. And greater range queens is a really big deal, it can sit up ramps and hit enemies all the way down the ramp now, and can more easily be controlled for more effectiveness. It just means hellions will be easy to zone out now, and taking a third against a hellion opening will be easier then the +25 energy change. | ||
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SolidZeal
United States393 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:59 Liquid`TLO wrote: well the energy boost was just insane, I could have shown that within 30 minutes of testing. On the other hand increasing range from 3 to 5 is pretty neat and quite a huge change. It'll make it much easier to defend allins. Small changes lead to significant differences. The favour of battles in sc2 shift incredibely quick and killing 1 more marine in an all-in situation can make the difference between defeat or victory. Well, coming from someone who would know, I have to agree GL in the GSTL btw  | ||
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