EPTThe majority of casters I watch do a great job and most of the rest have side jobs/responsibilities that prevent them from dedicating more than 40 hours a week (which is what it seems like the OP/Cloud expects of casters).
ClouD's World #1 - Caster/Player situation - Page 4
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
The majority of casters I watch do a great job and most of the rest have side jobs/responsibilities that prevent them from dedicating more than 40 hours a week (which is what it seems like the OP/Cloud expects of casters). | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote: It's not a situation I like, or how I would want it to work, but it's also not something you can blame the casters for... The fact that a lot of casters are just downright more popular than most players means that they are pretty much automatically more valuable and thus get paid more. I don't think it SHOULD be like this. I think in an ideal world everyone would make more money, and there would be a higher % of players that are more stand-out in terms of fanbase than the casters, but I dont see anything you could do to force this to happen in a sustainable way. It is possible that as the game matures and players build up more solid fanbases, things will gradually even out. There is definitely an issue of volatility here - casters are a constant, they will always be there, whereas sometimes you will see even someone as good as MC or Bomber drop down to code B. Jinro providing a reasonable viewpoint. Most of this comes across as Cloud whining. In all seriousness, if he thinks casters have it so easy, he should try casting sometime. Players have turned into casters before. It wouldn't be a first. If things don't work out for him, maybe he'll be able to admit his viewpoint was wrong. If things do work out for him, then hey, who's he to complain? | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
I dont like that famous people in the community just suddenly become casters, it is something that you have to work a long time on to get good at. You cant just decide to be a caster and cast for thousands of people in a huge tournament with the best players in the world. It just becomes acward and bad in my opinion. ClouD definitely has some good points, there are way to many "casters" that suck at their job and in some ways ruin a good tournament. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:55 Acritter wrote: Jinro providing a reasonable viewpoint. Most of this comes across as Cloud whining. In all seriousness, if he thinks casters have it so easy, he should try casting sometime. Players have turned into casters before. It wouldn't be a first. If things don't work out for him, maybe he'll be able to admit his viewpoint was wrong. If things do work out for him, then hey, who's he to complain? That's a pretty unfair way of looking at it tho, you might as well tell him to become an investment banker or something. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
If they are not heavily critized, they will not change or try to improve and tournament organisation will go on and hire them. And the actual situation is, that most people don't have the ability to realize, that the casters are bad and believe in what they are told. And the guys who could do it, aren't allowed to. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
For money, really, how much can a caster who isn't the god-tier of popularity even command? Day9, tasteless, and artosis can ask for quite a bit, maybe a handful behind them including wolf and wheat. Until you get your fame, this isn't a stable income stream for aspiring foreign casters aka don't quit your day job waiting for MLG to call you. Not a lot of impetus to analyze an ever-changing scene, even less considering their main job is getting you excited about what's happening on the screen and why the game matters for the players involved (in this authors opinion). It's natural and expected behavior; nice prodding from ClouD for more and better, though, regardless of tone. | ||
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figq
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Baio
112 Posts
If you don't like casting just mute the stream. I enjoy most tournaments completely muted. What Cloud is trying to accomplish here is getting himself some attention he doesn't get by playing. What I have realized for a long time is that skill is never rewarded accordingly unless it is completely outstanding. You don't get any attention for being very good (titan/slivko), a little attention for being extremely good (nerchio) and all the attention for being the best (Stephano) but with non-skill based actions you get tons of attention for basically nothing like attention for being a girl, transgender, hell even a twelve-year-old diamond gets more attention than top grandmaster players. If Cloud has just realized that having skill doesn't make you famous but doing "random shit" does Congratz Cpt. Obvious! The SCII scene is just like any other business in the world: subjective, unfair and hungry for hypes, flames and gossip. Deal with it. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
In any case, it's a bit funny, but of the current people that are casters, if cloud would switch to casting, I think he'd likely be like the 5-6th best caster in the world just straight away. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:09 Lore-Fighting wrote: Cloud has no idea what's going on. The casters are way more vital to the sport than players are right now. Maybe someday later players will get more money, but they need to become more consistent first. Unfortunately, that is the case... even though there are tons of players playing their hear out all day there are casters who earn much more with less work... but that is how the world has always worked | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote: It's not a situation I like, or how I would want it to work, but it's also not something you can blame the casters for... The fact that a lot of casters are just downright more popular than most players means that they are pretty much automatically more valuable and thus get paid more. I don't think it SHOULD be like this. I think in an ideal world everyone would make more money, and there would be a higher % of players that are more stand-out in terms of fanbase than the casters, but I dont see anything you could do to force this to happen in a sustainable way. It is possible that as the game matures and players build up more solid fanbases, things will gradually even out. There is definitely an issue of volatility here - casters are a constant, they will always be there, whereas sometimes you will see even someone as good as MC or Bomber drop down to code B. I don't think anyone has a problem with casters earning good money - if they are any good. Problem is, as said by ClouD, that most of them are indeed not, but still get paid a shitload of money because they made themselves a name. | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:09 Lore-Fighting wrote: Cloud has no idea what's going on. The casters are way more vital to the sport than players are right now. Maybe someday later players will get more money, but they need to become more consistent first. The fact that they're so more vital makes it just sadder that a lot of them are just lacking in some aspects. I don't like the idea of "well caster xyz is kinda popular at the moment, because of this he is more important and improving is totally up to him, It's enough for us". | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
The problem is that a lot of teams do not try to grab any attention to build up their fanbases. I believe just EG and TL created more content promoting their teams compared the the rest of the entire foreign scene, and they can keep even their weaker players popular whereas other teams simply ride on their big player names which can fall off when they get into a slump. That said, I think casters have a tough job too, most of them have to do their own promotion, organise the matches that're about to be played, keep track of the players they have to cast and so on. That's no easy task. | ||
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Beaza
Germany203 Posts
On a more serious note, even though I can totally relate with alot of stuff Cloud said many others may feel different and im sure there are also people that like the casters you just bashed. Next time show some more respect man, (concerning the comments on orb and painuser). I dont like orbs casting too but im not making a video where im imitating him as if he was mentally retarded. Thats not at all a reasonable thing for a grown up human being to do, no matter how annoyed you are by the overall caster-player situation. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:16 MaGariShun wrote: I don't think anyone has a problem with casters earning good money - if they are any good. Problem is, as said by ClouD, that most of them are indeed not, but still get paid a shitload of money because they made themselves a name. And like someone said on like page 2, they actually just don't try to improve., or in the least, they just aren't improving. I think that's probably the most vital part of all this, and probably where his frustrating originates. They just don't seem to care, they are getting work, they are able to promote themselves and the tournaments seem satisfied with that. | ||
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nemonic
132 Posts
I think the actual problem is that oftentimes the wrong people are awarded with caster spots. People like Rob Simpson, who obviously only get picked as casters because they work blizzard, have the insight of a gold league player and yet cast at big MLG events - and I'm not saying he does a bad job in whatever he does for Blizzard, he just shouldnt cast. Generally, in positions where communication skills are important, people who are not really competent in the particular area often still come out on top. Apart from that, Cloud shouldnt have made the mistake to name specific casters who he disrespects. I don't think that this was a smart move and he generally seems to have a very narrow-minded view on the topic. | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
This is exactly what I always thought. But, I'm glad that at least the Korean scene is going in the right direction where players' skill matters A community that loves anything that's hyped with "personality" won't be able to sustain in the long term. | ||
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