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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
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ErAsc2
Sweden256 Posts
When will episode 2 be out?  It's been 2 weeks tomorow and still no 2nd episode. I really hope this wasn't just a 1-time-thing. | ||
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Moonalisa
Sweden15 Posts
To me, Cloud just sound bitter and recentful. If the sc2 community were to be dependant on people as charismatic as him, it would be stone dead. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:06 Moonalisa wrote: I dont agree with anything ClouD said and I hope I never have to see episode 2 of this stuff... To me, Cloud just sound bitter and recentful. If the sc2 community were to be dependant on people as charismatic as him, it would be stone dead. When you disagree with someone, people are much more likely to take you seriously if you actually make a point about the original topic, as opposed to making a point about the persons character. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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kazie
258 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:26 b0rt_ wrote: every caster needs to play random to masters very true sir | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:26 b0rt_ wrote: every caster needs to play random to masters really? cause JP does that and people just shit on him. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:26 b0rt_ wrote: every caster needs to play random to masters Day9 has (had?) 3 GM accounts, and people still criticize him for a lack of relevant, high level knowledge. | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:53 MCXD wrote: Day9 has (had?) 3 GM accounts, and people still criticize him for a lack of relevant, high level knowledge. Don't care either way about casters rank, but note Day9 said he had 3 GM accounts (one for each race), a lot of people do not think that was true. | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On May 13 2012 10:17 Elwar wrote: Don't care either way about casters rank, but note Day9 said he had 3 GM accounts (one for each race), a lot of people do not think that was true. I remember something about Day[9] supposedly having a A rank ICCup account back in BW, but no one knew what account it was because it was a smurf. Sounds familiar. I could be recalling this wrong though. | ||
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ErAsc2
Sweden256 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:41 jmbthirteen wrote: really? cause JP does that and people just shit on him. JP is a great caster. The majority of the sc2 community doesn't know what a good caster is tho. If you're in gold league, how do you know wheather what JP says is true or false? When the reddit threads came up about JP's casting a few MLGs ago, nobody had anything constructive to say, they just thougt his casting was bad in general. It's not like HDStarcraft who were spreading false info (such as marauder concussive shells increasing damage dealt etc.). No specific reason was given. It was nothing but a sad bandwagon that dumb redditors decided to jump on to. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:53 MCXD wrote: Day9 has (had?) 3 GM accounts, and people still criticize him for a lack of relevant, high level knowledge. Its a long time ago he had them I think. But honestly, IMO the Daily he makes isnt directed towards master and up. More like Diamond and down. If he made the show so he could teach masters and GM, he would also practice his own knowledge. (Not saying sean doesnt know anything about the game lol, but once in a blue moon he does say some weird stuff) | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 13 2012 10:36 TheRealArtemis wrote: Its a long time ago he had them I think. But honestly, IMO the Daily he makes isnt directed towards master and up. More like Diamond and down. If he made the show so he could teach masters and GM, he would also practice his own knowledge. (Not saying sean doesnt know anything about the game lol, but once in a blue moon he does say some weird stuff) he made the show for Diamonds and down because thats the larger audience. Masters is the top 2% of players. limiting yourself like that is detrimental. It wasn't so long ago that I was watching a stream, I can't remember who it was, but they had Day9 on the call. Sean was watching said players stream giving him tips and stuff. His game sense and predictions of what the opponent would do were quite impressive. That to me was more telling of his knowledge of the game than any Daily or shoutcast he has ever done (for the most part). I don't mean to say that he is smarter or knows more than the pro's. So please don't take it like that (not directed at you The RealArtemis, just in general). Day9 clearly watches a lot of StarCraft and has a pretty firm grasp or RTS games. He just directs his Daily and casting in a more noob friendly manner because it fits the audience better. You know how with Tastosis, we have Artosis give the hardcore analysis and Tasteless give the more noob friendly stuff? Day9 just does both of those things himself. Even in professional sports casting, you don't see the highest level of analysis. Why? Because it will alienate a lot of your audience. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On May 13 2012 11:05 jmbthirteen wrote: he made the show for Diamonds and down because thats the larger audience. Masters is the top 2% of players. limiting yourself like that is detrimental. It wasn't so long ago that I was watching a stream, I can't remember who it was, but they had Day9 on the call. Sean was watching said players stream giving him tips and stuff. His game sense and predictions of what the opponent would do were quite impressive. That to me was more telling of his knowledge of the game than any Daily or shoutcast he has ever done (for the most part). I don't mean to say that he is smarter or knows more than the pro's. So please don't take it like that (not directed at you The RealArtemis, just in general). Day9 clearly watches a lot of StarCraft and has a pretty firm grasp or RTS games. He just directs his Daily and casting in a more noob friendly manner because it fits the audience better. You know how with Tastosis, we have Artosis give the hardcore analysis and Tasteless give the more noob friendly stuff? Day9 just does both of those things himself. Even in professional sports casting, you don't see the highest level of analysis. Why? Because it will alienate a lot of your audience. Cloud's point doesn't relate to the dailies but casting things like dreamhack. The dailies have always been more of a 'get out of x league' type of show. If you listen and write down everything he says in an MLG/or x event you'd see he doesn't offer that near as much analysis. I understand that he has less time to prepare but at the end of the day I'd rather listen to someone saying something useful as opposed to someone barely touching on timings and possible transitions. Then again Day 9 is fun to listen to anyways so it doesn't matter as much. | ||
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Elitios
France164 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:56 inermis wrote: Actually in my opinion the SC2 community is for the most part built by great casters like day[9], tastosis, apollo,tb, khaldor and others. Without these people SC2 wouldn't be half of what it is now I think. There are lots of people who picked up SC2 just because they watched very entertaining cast, casters made them intrigued about the game, people wanted to give it a try to see for themselves how it really is to play SC2.. I'm one of them. I don't even play the game (since my computer isn't good enough). But I highly enjoy strategic games in general, and day9 really got me attracted to sc2. In fact, his "overanalysis" is probably what got me into it. So then, I want to ask: Do the casters cast for the players or for the viewers? Because if it's the former then it's obvious who is good: the popular ones. And I think that's the way it should be. A lot of spectators like me are watching to enjoy the games and not to boost the confidence of players. If the caster says bullshit well then it's too bad for the gullible spectator who believes it or for the frustrated player who doesn't agree. But at the end of the day, the viewers pay for the casters and for the players. On the other hand I think that criticism is almost always a good thing, and that no one should be blamed for speaking their mind as long as it is polite. | ||
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