EPTPersonalities and amazing tip top play sells. If you aren't winning tournaments and if you aren't putting effort in to be in the public eye then you as a player are failing. Pro players take on the role of PR spokesperson, manager, publicist, etc since esports isn't big enough yet to have those jobs. In real sports, the athletes have a team of people handling everything for them.
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
Personalities and amazing tip top play sells. If you aren't winning tournaments and if you aren't putting effort in to be in the public eye then you as a player are failing. Pro players take on the role of PR spokesperson, manager, publicist, etc since esports isn't big enough yet to have those jobs. In real sports, the athletes have a team of people handling everything for them. | ||
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ooozer
Germany231 Posts
And there are also caster like Mori(german), HD, Painuser, JP, Rob etc. who I accuse of being opportunistic. Yeah sure, they provide content and keep the game big (and helping making it bigger), but I assume their main concern seems to be how much money they can make by with the game | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:49 Greenei wrote: Well then go be a caster I guess. "Day9 gives players credit for random shit" that's just true, also viewers give day9 too much credit for casting and saying random shit. I don't really like Khaldors english casting but he's okay in german. Don't see why he's giving credit to Total Bisquit, his voice is so fucking annoying. Also he is one of the least knowlagable casters at all, so this is pretty weird. I personally haven't watched the vlog as I'm on a phone right now but I think I can answer this for you anyway. 1| He barely makes any money of his SC2 work and uses it pretty much as a marketing tool to get people to his main channel. The sponsoring of DignitasBling is an example of this. 2| His SCI tournaments are very popular with the players which very likely is because he pays out on the same day. Remember ClouD's post ranting about tournaments that didn't pay out at all or very late? On another note: have you recently watched TB's casting? I have to say that I personally didn't watch it early on but the last few months he's become very good in partnership with Apollo. His knowledge is still inferior to, for example, Artosis but it's been a long time since I've heard him make terrible mistakes. As to his tendency to throw questions at Apollo: while that might 'prove' that your game knowledge isn't up to par it at the same time it prevents you from making a statement that is completly bullshit. Orb had a nice post about this with regards to HD, who apparantly doesn't ask the question but makes the claim instead. Also the asking of questions can bring it across more clearly to your audience, a lot of whom don't play the game (at a high level). I would imagine that there are plenty of times that TB asks Apollo a question while he himself already knows the answer. | ||
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metho
Germany28 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:01 ooozer wrote: There are caster who really encourage themselves for the community, for example: Day9, Artosis, Apollo, TB and Wheat (although I don't like his cast), Khaldor. And there are also caster like Mori(german), HD, Painuser, JP, Rob etc. who I accuse of being opportunistic. Yeah sure, they provide content and keep the game big (and helping making it bigger), but I assume their main concern seems to be how much money they can make by with the game Rob... works for Blizzard. So yeah obviously the progress of the game's growth is relevant to the money he makes but in a pretty different way. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:03 metho wrote: The day[9] part is probably going to get a lot of hate but I kinda of agree with him. I stopped watching the day[9] daily because he overanalyzes all the time which is really annoying imo. Isn't that what Day9Daily originally was? Ever watched the broodwar ones where he analyses the shit out of games, even the first day9daily was perhaps one of the most analytical one of them all, I personally like super analysis on simple and little things, reminds me of my English classes. | ||
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
From what I get, he feels like most casters don't try to steadily improve their casting and their game knowledge, instead they're happy with keeping their position and the status quo, while players are forced to and want to improve and put tons of work into it without getting much recognition. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
The fact of the matter is, these few casters do more for the game than a bunch of second rate players. I mean, no offense, not specifically talking ClouD, this could apply to many pros atm, but, why should fans care about players who have almost no potential of ever winning a big tournament? I understand supporting players first, but honestly, there's a huge over-saturation of players atm. Most of the current pros will never be able to compete with Korean pros and are just riding the SC2 bubble just like these casters. ClouD should stop worrying so much about other people and focus on himself. If he wins a tournament he will get support. If not, don't be surprised if the community doesn't care for you. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
1. Some people are born in a more entitled family/have better connections. 2. Some people are born with more talent. 3. Some people have had better luck. I think its compleatly ridiculous that people who chose their career to be pro sc2 player, are butthurt that other people who started on 100% equal grounds are having an easier career as sc2 casters. If you have regrets, then start casting. It should be no harder for you, than it was for tastless/moletrap/husky. Nobody is holding your back. Sc2 pro gamers have this privilege that most people do not have. | ||
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MWY
Germany284 Posts
This guy talks to players, gets insight, learns korean, improves his english, etc. and literaly casts his ass of sometimes.. | ||
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atwar
57 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:13 MWY wrote: This is ridicoulous. I think if you told for example khaldor that you think hes not working hard he would punch you in the face. Rightfully so. This guy talks to players, gets insight, learns korean, improves his english, etc. and literaly casts his ass of sometimes.. He praises Khaldor for doing his job really well, listening to the vlog before commenting might be a good idea... | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
I love Cloud though he's such a genuine guy. | ||
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:13 MWY wrote: This is ridicoulous. I think if you told for example khaldor that you think hes not working hard he would punch you in the face. Rightfully so. This guy talks to players, gets insight, learns korean, improves his english, etc. and literaly casts his ass of sometimes.. well, then maybe that's the reason why ClouD actually said that Khaldor does all these things and considers him the "Artosis of SC2"... you should watch the video before you comment on it | ||
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MWY
Germany284 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:16 sAsImre wrote: He praises Khaldor for doing his job really well, listening to the vlog before commenting might be a good idea... Okay sorry, only read the OP.. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
Bitterdam is the only casting duo that is top notch at the moment. Tasteless has gone way downhill, but Artosis is still great. Grubby is probably the single best caster in the business though. He is so well spoken and has a larger vocabulary than any other caster, which is astounding since it isn't his first language. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Its hard to categorize casters in terms of "really good", "pretty good", etc so Im just gonna use numbers for this purpose. If all casters would be put on a scale from 1-10 where 10 is best, what he is basically doing is praising all the 9-10 casters and shitting on the 6-8 ones. What he is forgetting is that theres a huge amount of 1-5 casters out there if you turn into random weekly cups, community casters, etc. Thats like we'd be shitting on everyone except DRG, MKP and maybe a handful of other players while calling the rest of the players terrible. I agree mostly with his opinions about casters though. Apollo and Artosis are the best analytical ones and CatsPajamas and TB (and Husky too if you ask me) the best play-by-play ones. But calling most of the others really bad isnt really fair either. I also dont think he gives enough credit to casters who can bring excitement (day9 is awesome at bringing excitement even though its a lot of "fluff" and giving credit to random things like he points out) to games. That said, some jobs are just more about natural talent and other jobs about hard work. Thats just how things are. And being a player is probably more dependant on work than being a caster. Training yourself to be an exciting caster is almost impossible. If you could just train yourself to be exciting, charismatic, well spoken, etc then everyone would. Very few players could be like Grubby when casting. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
Thats okay...but sometimes i would like to hear him talk about positive aspects of the community | ||
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Fumble
156 Posts
I do agree though that casters should if your a full time caster, you should try to keep up to date with the metagame. You dont necessarily have to be good at the game yourself but at least be knowledgeable about it. I find the lack of insight in husky's casts after 2 years is kinda unacceptable. He makes up for it by being entertaining and maintaining a stream of content but yeesh that guy is a bad gamer all around if you watch him play other games. So I dont like it when he casts tournaments. | ||
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