EPTMLG Spring Arena Review - Page 5
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ETisME
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:34 Scootaloo wrote: Hey if you're talking about most of the tournament being unknowns it's pretty logical to assume you're just not an avid watcher of Euro tourneys, perhaps because I missed the first half of day 1 but I didn't see a single person I hadn't seen before. And about me not knowing the official DHW name, does it seriously matter? I don't remember the taglines for the MLG or GSL's either, as far as I'm concerned they're pretty irrelevant compared to the games and the show itself. And about the audiences, I watched most of the non PPV MLG events and there always seemed to be less people and likely as a resuly a less loud and vibrant crowd, and the crowd at the last IPL was just a nightmare, hence my assumption that they're bad. And trust me, I did watch the MLG arena, I didn't pay for it but I most certainly watched it. (If you want more details, pm me, not looking for a ban) IPL can't be compared to MLG or any other tournament out right now. They hold the events at niche places, and because of that, they get smaller crowds. Now for the MLG's, go back and watch MLG Columbus, Anaheim, and Providence. To me, the audiences in those were the best any tournament has had (except for Blizzcon). It seems to me that you are heavily EU biased, which poses a huge problem when you argue against US tournament. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:21 Scootaloo wrote: You should try to actually face arguments instead of trying to be condescending. The metaphor might be extreme but if you can't see the connection or validity of the argument I have no idea where you got those fancy worda from, but it ain't a book. And I already told you to quit the whining about grammer, it's not making you look intelligent, just nitpicky and incapable of discussion. It is unclear what you are trying to say or what to argue against. You seem to think that PPV events should not exist and Sundance/MLG wrong and morally bankrupt for attempting to run them. You then make the argument that MLG has some sort of liability to the Esports community similar to that of BP and the environmental community. Although a metaphor, it is an extreme one that is so far away from what we are talking about it that it cannot be taken seriously. You cannot really compare hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to an event that may force a bunch of college students scrape together $10-$20 for a weekend of entertainment. Attempting to use this to link MLG’s actions to some sort of moral responsibility to its fans is weak and almost insulting. No one was hurt by MLG and trying to link them to someone as irresponsible is BP is both unfair and a sign of someone who has little left to argue. | ||
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TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
MLG is NOT evil for doing any of this, they are not forcing you to buy anything, if you don't want to pay for this content don't do it. Like everyone seems to be saying just go watch GSL since "It's better anyway". MLG is trying to do separate events by self funding it with the money from the PPV, if they can't get the money from somewhere other than investors then they really won't be making these. So they need to rely on the people who watch this stuff to fund it, they also need to make a profit from this (OMG SOMEONE DARES TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF E-SPORTS!! GASP) I'm pretty sure whatever money they make from the big events a lot of it goes to the investors who gave the money in the first place, so I'm all behind them doing their own events and bring more content. I really don't see why the outcry from people and this hate towards MLG for doing a completely optional PPV event when GOM sold out long ago by seeding 2 undeserving players (Idra & Sen) and by doing so cheapening how hard it was to get to Code S. Doing that JUST to get more ticket buyers for the Idra fan boys, now if that doesn't piss you off I don't see how this is anywhere near as bad or "worse". I stopped watching and paying for GSL right there and then, have not bought a ticket since last year's blizzard cup, I'm much happier to pay for MLG events which have a lot more content in a very awesome weekend with a lot of the players I like. Now granted I haven't paid for the PPV ones cuz I'm broke but I have a gold membership and I'm very happy to do so MLG is always my most anticipated event every time it comes around. If you're entitled little brat who thinks "OMG THEY ARE MAKING MILLIONS OFF OF OUR E-SPORTS" they are not, get off your high horse and stop being an idiot. MLG is just trying to offer more content of the same things we love and making profit off of it, they cant just rely on investors money forever and you should all know that. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Ok, so by compairing MLG to BP, it has become clear that no argument you make in the future will be rational or based in reality. Also, "copypasta" is not a word and you should avoid insulting other people when you are trying to make a point. "Copypasta is internet slang for any block of text that gets copied and pasted over and over again, typically disseminated by individuals through online discussion ..." May not be a word, but it is internet slang which is used an exponential amount. Lol is not a word, but do you see people saying "lol isnt a word, stop using it" | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
But in the end, Dreamhack had a huge live audience and way bigger player pool and was just more fun to watch for that. The major MLG events are still great, but these arenas just aren't as good as a major live event, especially as very little is on the line for the Arenas. And to the person above me, 'lol' is a word in the Oxford dictionary. Copypasta is not. | ||
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cmcaneff5502
United States116 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:45 Ercster wrote: IPL can't be compared to MLG or any other tournament out right now. They hold the events at niche places, and because of that, they get smaller crowds. Now for the MLG's, go back and watch MLG Columbus, Anaheim, and Providence. To me, the audiences in those were the best any tournament has had (except for Blizzcon). It seems to me that you are heavily EU biased, which poses a huge problem when you argue against US tournament. Sure they can. IPL is a major player in the professional SC2 and LoL scene, and you simply cannot ignore it. IPL 3 and IPL 4 were massive events, both in terms of viewership and prizepool. Even IPL 2, which was an online tournament, had a prize pool of 50K, which is incredible for an online tournament. Yes IPL does hold its events at casinos, but the crowd at IPL 4 was by no means small. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
was the Arena a true competition/tournament ? Not sure about that.. I thought the piece was well written.. as a blog or opinion piece for sure. Jeff can write.. no doubt about that.. as far as the amount of content he puts out and it is nice that someone is trying to get it out there. I praise him for what he does provide the community..but as I have told him personally.. these sorts of articles come off as being 'fanboyish'.. and too one sided. The good thing is.. he takes criticism pretty well and is always interested in how to improve. I think the MLG Arena shows are a great idea.. but I could give them 10 improvements and ideas on how to make them better. I did not tune into this one because the field of players was meh for me. I am the type of viewer/user that MLG should be shooting for and there just was not that much drama or excitement (no matter how much others tried to fabricate it).. The finals of Dreamhack and the excitement and story line were spot on. Don't get me wrong.. like I said.. the MLG Arena's are a very cool thing.. they just need a lot of tweaking and honestly.. they could produce a much better product with a lot less $$ put into it. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:13 csn_JohnClark wrote: I did not tune into this one because the field of players was meh for me. Well I'm the complete opposite. The MLG player lineup was 10x more interesting for me and the DH player lineup was one of the most pitiful player lineup I can recall for a major tournament. DH didn't interest me one bit and I only watched parts of it on and off. I had the polt/thorzain finals on mute, but was not interested in it enough other than to flip back now and then to check the supply, while I concentrated on the MLG games. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:20 Canucklehead wrote: Well I'm the complete opposite. The MLG player lineup was 10x more interesting for me and the DH player lineup was one of the most pitiful player lineup I can recall for a major tournament. DH didn't interest me one bit and I only watched parts of it on and off. I had the polt/thorzain finals on mute, but was not interested in it enough other than to flip back now and then to check the supply, while I concentrated on the MLG games. The players were top skill.. no doubt and most know that I am a huge fan of viOLet.. but many of you also know that I have zero time to 'play' SC2. I watch a lot of it.. but not for all of the same reasons most of you do. As an organizer of events and a fan of viOLet, I did have an interest in it. BUT.. as a 'sports' fan and someone that is always looking for ways to build esports.. I consider myself the perfect user/viewer demographic that needs to be reached by MLG and other organizations. I am NOT a hardcore SC2 fan.. I still have trouble figuring out whats going on.. but I do understand the community and I am heavily involved in it. Events that catch my attention, that have a a good story line (preferably not fabricated) and that offer excitement, drama and hopefully a bit of trash talking.. interest me. SC2 could certainly use a lot more of the Dreamhack ending. | ||
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Legace
Sweden342 Posts
It's a steaming pile of condescending, defensive, poorly written bull... you understand where I'm going. All while at the same time naively portraying Sundance and MLG as the second coming of Jesus. Don't get me wrong, MLG Spring Arena was good but the piece looks like infantile propaganda instead of a review. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
Like i said before, the analysis desk and the addition of Grubby were great, but something else was missing. MLG brought some of the best players but we still had a lot of bad games. I still dont think JP should be casting. Tell him to do interviews or host the event. Will i stop to watch MLG because of him? no, of course not, but i just don get it. People might disagree, but Tasteless constant overhype during the finals kinda ruined it. Protoss players underperfoming or getting outplayed sure influenced in my discontent. Overall, the event lacked of something i cant describe. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:03 Bagration wrote: Sure they can. IPL is a major player in the professional SC2 and LoL scene, and you simply cannot ignore it. IPL 3 and IPL 4 were massive events, both in terms of viewership and prizepool. Even IPL 2, which was an online tournament, had a prize pool of 50K, which is incredible for an online tournament. Yes IPL does hold its events at casinos, but the crowd at IPL 4 was by no means small. Context is your friend, so use it. And I didn't say they were small but smaller. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
I don't want to say that the author lacks a decent writing voice, or vocabulary, or argument coherence or anything really, because that's not the problem. The problem is that the author lacks experience and therefore lacks all of those things. Once you get further into your education, your vocabulary will expand and your work will get better in general. Just try to keep learning, ask for help, and keep practicing. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:28 Velr wrote: What i wonder... If MLG really needs money as bad as sundance cries, would they shedule their PPV events on dates where other BIG tournaments are held? No... They wouldn't.. Yet: MLG Winter --> Assembly (fuck, europe is watching that). MLG Spring --> Dreamhack Eizo (fuck, europe is watching that). Seriously, either MLG is totally ignorant of other events, utterly stupid when it comes to business decisions OR does not need money that bad because i doubt any event in dire need of money would willfully "lose" such a big part of their consumers just because they can't check tourney dates of other BIG events... What MLG does is comparable to sheduling the Olympic Games at the same time as the Football World Cup... By doing this MLG is hurting itself, the other events and HURTING ESPORTS!!!! (  )I'm pretty sure theyre doing this on purpose in order to show potential investors that their new strategy is working and that organizing sc2 events are financially sustainable (i.e. making the events PPV and holding them at the same time as other major events to see if they can compete with them). Sundance isn't stupid, he knew that this MLG Spring Arena wouldn't get nearly as many viewers as Dreamhack would get, especially since it was just a small tournament with no live audience. All he had to do was get 5k odd people to each pay 10 bucks and he'd be a happy man. I personally completely disagree with this approach. Sure it's a good business model to be working with, but as a fan i'm completely appalled at what MLG is turning into. Some points that I want to highlight as well: 1) It was basically a mini GSL except not in Korea 2) there was no live audience, killed any potential atmosphere that the event might have had 3) Dreamhack was on at the same time and MLG's timing is probably suited only to North Americans. Europeans and Asians all much prefer Dreamhack's timing. For me the event would've gone from like 3 am to 10 in the morning. For the Europeans it would have been from around 10-11 at night till 5am in the morning.. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
Secondly, Dreamhack is more exciting to me because of the fan base and the loud crowd. Any event does better when you watch it if there are cheering fans everywhere, as opposed to going to something with a small crowd. Next, comparing MLG to BP is a horrendously bad comparison in more ways than I care to think about. Making money is the primary goal of any business, this is the basic fact of economics. BP was not making money with that oil spill, or their bad job taking care of it. MLG may have lost viewers but it was easily made up by the fact that plenty of people still watched, and they made 10 dollars from every person that did. That being said, DH was still better than MLG, their playing field was more interesting, larger, and there were many more people watching. If MLG wants to do a PPV type thing, they need to do it for the Championships, not their little Arena shows. They can make more money for their big tourneys with PPV for that than they can for this. DH's production cost was likely lower than MLG as someone pointed out, with the superiorly available Internet. Also, having their own building helps. They don't need to PPV, so they choose not to. MLG might need to more than DH does. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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