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One thing I noticed about this MLG Spring Arena event was that there were practically zero hiccups.
A lot of people had a lot of trouble accessing the streams (got a big page saying "Please go to majorleaguegaming.com/live to watch"). I had zero problems with the Winter Arena, but this time I had quite a few. The solution suggested was to go to twitch.tv, log out, and log back in again, then go back to the mlg viewer. This worked fine... on my PC. On my Laptop I just couldn't watch at all (unless I went to the individual twitch.tv stream pages and forgo the quite frankly glorious viewer that MLG have).
Pretty disappointed with that.
Also the event was boring. The games were cool, the storyline of DRG overcoming MKP was cool... but it just came off as boring overall.
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On April 23 2012 18:17 Richard_Lewis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:14 maartendq wrote:On April 23 2012 17:48 Richard_Lewis wrote:On April 23 2012 17:46 setmeal wrote:
Seems like a very biased review that puts MLG is a falsely positive light. I agree that the event was very well-run, but I would have liked a more objective review that talks more about Areas of Improvements and strengths and weaknesses instead of so much personal opinion by saying that the fans are unfair to MLG and that Sundance is a great guy (he is, I agree) Serious question - what improvements do you think could be made and what weaknesses do you think were evident? The price. It should be free, especially after having watched Dreamhack this weekend. I'm definitely in the "no to pay per view" camp. I know the writer of this article isn't. However, hypothetically, if the option was no MLG or PPV MLG, would you feel there was enough out there without it?
There are plenty of big tournaments to go around, actually. GSL still tops all of them if you're interested in high-level play. There's IEM, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL, hopefully TSL 4 and Homestory cup. I personally wouldn't miss MLG much if it were to stop organizing SC2 tournaments.
I watched dreamhack on my 27" at home and you could really feel the atmosphere. The crowd enjoyed themselves, the players enjoyed themselves (especially Polt.. he doesn't look nearly as serious or uncomfortable as other Koreans tend to do at foreign tournaments),.. It was just an awesome event. Just look at the songs they used:
Pendulum - The Island
Avicii - Levels
Avicii - Bromance
Royksopp - Eple
Alesso & Sebastian Ingrosso - Calling (lose my mind)
Nause - Made Of¨
Swedish House Mafia - Greyhound
Justice - D.A.N.C.E
Some Madeon tune.
Faithless - Insomnia
darude - sandstorm
The Prodigy - Breathe
Those have "party" written allover them.
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On April 23 2012 18:50 Velr wrote:
I would like to know one thing:
Why would i buy an MLG pass over a GSL pass for these Arenas?
The player field is nearly identical, except that they are all Jetlagged?
The casters are not better?
My problem with this event is:
I want to see only the best of the best? GSL!
I want to see top Koreans duke it out with an international field? Dreamhack! (Free)
I just don't see the "niche" MLG is targeting here, especially when it's PPV... There is just nothing i can't get somewhere else.
+1 extra Question:
Is there ANY reason why these MLG-Arenas are not held directly in Korea? You fly Players in, you fly Casters in, you have no audience... Woudln't it be easyer to just rent the GSL studio and do it from there?
I second that man, what was the real hook of MLG when it was literally a $10 3-day mini-GSL, I already have a 1year pass to the GSL. The extra casters and commentary seemed nice, if not too much, and DRG overcoming MKP was surely a sick final storyline, but I guarantee most people were tuned into Dreamhack.
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On April 23 2012 18:48 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:02 Logros wrote:On April 23 2012 17:48 Richard_Lewis wrote:On April 23 2012 17:46 setmeal wrote:
Seems like a very biased review that puts MLG is a falsely positive light. I agree that the event was very well-run, but I would have liked a more objective review that talks more about Areas of Improvements and strengths and weaknesses instead of so much personal opinion by saying that the fans are unfair to MLG and that Sundance is a great guy (he is, I agree) Serious question - what improvements do you think could be made and what weaknesses do you think were evident? Well I bought a ticket for the first Arena, but seeing the 720p free stream and production value of Dreamhack this weekend I made me glad I didn't pay for this one and I probably won't for future ones either. The line-up for this arena also wasn't really different from what we can see every week in the GSL. I just want to take a moment to laugh a bit about your last sentence. Was not really different from what we can see every week in the GSL? So, you mean, it wasn't really different from watching the absolute best players in the world play, with a foreigner or two thrown in for some hype? Yes, nobody wants that... :D :D MLG needs to have at least some bad players so that it is not the same as GSL. After all, we wouldn't want the quality of the games to be too high now would we!
I'm saying the line-up isn't much different, but whats at stake is completely different. I am already paying like 20-30 bucks a month to watch these players play for something that actually matters (50k first prize or something?). From things like arena of legends we've already seen how much worse the quality of play is when there isn't much on the line. So I'm not gonna pay again 10-20 bucks to see these guys play games that don't really mean much, if I want to see Koreans fight Koreans the GSL is better in every way.
The cool thing about Dreamhack was that we got to see players like Ret and Thorzain go toe-to-toe and beat some great Korean players which was really awesome and is not something we get to see every week.
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Quote number 1: MLG Spring Arena: 96/100
Quote number 2: Cons: -no Day[9] -lack of references regarding Sundance being related to Giovanni from Pokemon
So it was a near perfect event? It would have been perfect with Day9 and better sundance references. I think that grading is absolutely off the any reasonable charts. I don't think there hasn't been any event out there so far in the starcraft 2 scene that has been close to a near perfect score. A more reasonable number might have been somewhere around 65-70 since it was better than the average tournament.
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Yeah I'm hopping on the 'bias article' band wagon, something i've done before. I mean theres no reason to write an article and have so many lines specifically dedicated to defending MLG and saying people aren't right to say Dreamhack was better. Just say how the tournament was, what they did right, what they did wrong and how they have improved/can improve. No need to fluff it up so much, its as if you are working for MLG itself, better to remain unbiased in your writing.
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I didn't pay and won't pay unless it's something out of the ordinary. As said in previous posts, this was nothing that we can't see for free on a weekly basis from the GSL. Dreamhack was good enought to watch for free.
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There's a reason he cut it to 10$
you cannot justify 20$ for a 8 player tournament not even with the best players
you can't justify it for winter arena either
Dreamhack outshone MLG hard this weekend and I think it's evident.
everything MLG did Dreamhack did better and dreamhack was free
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Considering Dreamhack being held the same WE and the 100% GSL line up of that MLG events what was exactly the point of this MLG Arena? I mean yes it's another nice tournament with good prize money for the players but from a viewer's point of view, I felt like this event had really no particular interest.
The only thing I may regret was not being able to listen to Grubby's analysis considering he is probably the best casting pro gamer, and his analysis are sharper than 90% of the casters we currently see in most events.
But regardless of that point, there was nothing in this MLG I can't see when I watch code S.
The DRG / MKP final was probably great but we've been seing some EPIC TvZ in so many tournaments lately (past 4 months) considering the DRG / MKP rivalry and the Stephano / Polt one that I don't think this one was that much of a big deal (or some of those 2 Zerg players against any code S Terran).
Don't get me wrong, I'm no hater, I bought a pass for the first MLG Arena this year and totally loved it, but this one just seemed pointless to me.
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I didn't pay for MLG and watched Dreamhack this weekend. Even if MLG had been free I would have watched DH instead. I have the GSL if i want to watch a bunch of koreans play each other. Dreamhack probably got better numbers as well.
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On April 23 2012 23:29 Denzil wrote:
There's a reason he cut it to 10$
you cannot justify 20$ for a 8 player tournament not even with the best players
you can't justify it for winter arena either
Dreamhack outshone MLG hard this weekend and I think it's evident.
everything MLG did Dreamhack did better and dreamhack was free
THIS ^. MLG got totaly crushed.
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Wouldn't know if this stuff was true. Didn't watch any of it.
Would have loved to, but not going to pay to stream a starcraft tournament. Especially since I work on weekends, so I'd only be able to see 25% or so of the matches, if that.
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"MLG Spring Arena 2012. It's the event that nobody knew about until 2 days before it happened when we saw the huge banner on TeamLiquid."
So if MLG hadn't paid TL for the banner and countdown then no one would have known it was going on?
"as a receptive Sundance DiGiovanni listens to the crowds that roared so much at him for trying something new" are you SERIOUSLY trying to pass this off as an unbiased article when you're pretty much saying that everyone was an idiot for not liking what Sundance did and then we should all praise him for doing the decision of lowering a price for an inferior product to Winter Arena? LOL.
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Biased article is biased.
I like to think of the Starcraft community as a generally intelligent one. A community which appreciates critical and rational write-ups on events detailing the story lines of the players and the events with a large chunk of hype thrown in.
From start to finish while I was reading this article all I kept thinking was how much was this guy paid to write this stuff?
I didn't get to watch MLG. I watched DreamHack instead. So I was hoping to read an article providing me with relevant information on how the tournament was. All I got for my efforts was a confused demeanour and an ominous suspicion of the author.
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Thank you TL for completely ripping this article a new one, either MLG is paying for it or the reporter is brownnosing so badly because he's hoping for a job at MLG.
I watched both events on my dual monitor but unless they where taking a break Dreamhack would always be on my main screen with the sound of the roaring audience to accompany it.
I usually don't enjoy TvT too much but Thorzain Polt was awesome, good storyline, personalities, Thorzains response after winning, I freaking loved it, while when I watched DRG MKP I just thought "Oh this shit again.", not that the games where that bad but seeing these exact same players I've seen so many times before is just tiresome, just like GSL but with players out of their comfort zone, even QXC said MKP was giving a bad performance.
Sundance should just admit his "PPV or kill esports" speech was just a massive lie and revert back to the old format, apart from some die hards that are dumb enough to believe him noone will continue buying his guilt tickets, the tournament was a dissapointment and as far as I'm concerned he's lost all credibility and sympathy.
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On April 23 2012 17:48 Richard_Lewis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 17:46 setmeal wrote:
Seems like a very biased review that puts MLG is a falsely positive light. I agree that the event was very well-run, but I would have liked a more objective review that talks more about Areas of Improvements and strengths and weaknesses instead of so much personal opinion by saying that the fans are unfair to MLG and that Sundance is a great guy (he is, I agree) Serious question - what improvements do you think could be made and what weaknesses do you think were evident?
The multi-view stream was unusable for most of the weekend - repeatedly asked you to keep logging in, despite actually being logged in. (Suggestions to log out, log back in, and refresh were ineffectual. Not to mention clearing cache, restarting browser, etc...)
Quality was not as good as advertised, even with plenty of bandwidth to access 1080p from a location within New York City I could not watch it at that quality.
Of course the games were great, especially the 7-game final, but it kind of paled in comparison to DreamHack in my opinion. Watching DreamHack got me interested and "psyched up" but MLG felt pretty bland to me. Add this to the fact that MLG cost $10 and DreamHack was free, and the event was somewhat of a disappointment.
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96/100? Lol, that would make DreamHack 110/100 then.
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The biggest problem with this MLG was that it was in the same weekend as Dreamhack and Dreamhack had better everything even if we don't pull the issue of pay or free. So if they insisted to charge for viewing they should have found another weekend to do it.
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What an incredibly biased article... I don't even know where to start to refute the points...
All this coming from a website priding themselves in "premier esports coverage".
MLG Spring Arena given a 96/100 score??? Wow... don't know how to respond to that...
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Crap article, but MLG was pretty good this time around. Definitely the better event this weekend.
I'd say if it weren't for Thorzain's win and the electrifying crowd, Dreamhack had nothing on MLG.....aside from most obviously being free -_-
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