• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:53
CEST 02:53
KST 09:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?24Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris46Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ No Rain in ASL20? Starcraft at lower levels TvP
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Teeworlds - online game General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 726 users

[Poll] Mirror Matchups in BW and SC2 - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10746 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 09:39:23
April 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#41
I hate to watch:
PvP in SC2.

I hate tO play:
ZvZ in SC2 and/or SC/BW ^^. That shit is so volitale.. Nitroglicerine seems stable in comparison...

I like to watch:
ZvZ in SC2.. EXCITING!
GoingGoingGone
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Slovakia529 Posts
April 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#42
I have played and watched very little BW, so I don't think I can comment on that...

As for SC2 - TvT is well thought-out IMO. Given that the Terran has so many options to open with (banshees with and w/o cloak, marine/hellion drop, even a reaper or two...), I think it's very interesting to watch, at least until mid-to-late game. I understand the beauty of positional battles and their strategic necessity, but often, it's not all that entetaining. Apart from that, I really like TvT for the variety.

ZvZ - I play zerg a bit, and it's very hectic and aggressive, kinda fun to play, although it's terrible to lose due to a tiny mistake (one baneling blast and you can pretty much gg out). If the game is good and both players have good control, it's fantastic to watch. Depends on the game really.

PvP - As a protoss player, I like a lot about it. The early and midgame are very interesting and kinda well thought out (Many options once again: 3 gate pressure, blink stalkers, immortal/warp prism drop, phoenix, DTs...), even though sometimes it turns to a BO win. But I tend to think that happens (or will happen) less and less.
... the BIG problem is the lategame. Colossi are, at least now, the only way to go, and having a fight decided by the number of collosi or by getting the first volley is kinda terrible. I really hope it evolves, somehow. I see a lot of potential, especially in Immortals and archons. Or we'll just have to wait for HotS, I guess.

I like all of them, in a way, but PvP and ZvZ really do depend on the game itself. There are brilliant PvP's, and terrible ones, as well as ZvZ's. TvT's is the most consistently interesting mirror.
Busy night, but there's always room for another... unless the servers are down.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
April 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#43
I love to observe PvP because it always give crazy games. But it is not as strategically interesting as TvT is.

But I honestly think I would say that PvP is the matchup I both like and hate the most.
@Munck
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#44
BW ZvZ by far the worst, that was so retarded

SC2/BW TvT both the best one of their respective game
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 09:48:56
April 23 2012 09:47 GMT
#45
BW ZvZ is only fun when soulkey/zero/great/roro play each other.

Oh and JvZ
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
April 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#46
SC2's TvT actually pretty good
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 09:49:57
April 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#47
TvT in both is at the top for mirrors guaranteed. BW TvT between good players is amazing to watch. It's like chess at 300+APM. Meanwhile SC2 the options available and the stability of the matchup make it pretty fun as well. I've seen probably a half dozen completely different openings in TvT this GSL season, all viable, which is just crazy. Hard to decide which one is better.

PvP is less BO orientated than before, but definitely below the highest level it's very hard to watch. It is the only matchup though where koreans regularly lose to foreigners, because the matchup is pretty shallow. I feel like BW PvP has a slight advantage though.

ZvZ is........good for the adrenaline junkies I guess. Not my cup of tea though. SC2 ZvZ though definitely makes for a better spectator experience though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 23 2012 10:02 GMT
#48
I'm surprised people hate SC2 ZvZ so much. Bar the build order wins, its pretty good. Ling bling is so much fun to watch, and when between 2 good players roach wars can be amazing, see something like Stephano vs Nestea G2 on Antiga in IPL. Burrow movement leads to loads of multitasking and attacking from different angles. I can see the appeal of BW ZvZ, on the one hand, their is loads of micro, and its super intense, but on the other hand.... its literally retarded. Like, weird and stupid to an un believable degree.
PvP in BW is miles better than in SC2, but still pretty can dumb, but at least SC2 PvP is improving, just extremely slowly. Occasionally we get vaguely decent games, and thats nice.
TvT in both is very cool, I like SC2 TvT, and the really really high level TvTs in BW are some of the best matches in both games. Below that it can be kinda dull, but still very skill based and generally good.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 10:05:43
April 23 2012 10:04 GMT
#49
On April 23 2012 19:02 MCDayC wrote:
I'm surprised people hate BW ZvZ so much. Bar the build order wins, its pretty good. Scourge muta is so much fun to watch, and when between 2 good players high tech wars can be amazing, see something like Jaedong vs YellOw on Match Point in SPL. Plague leads to loads of multitasking and attacking from different angles. I can see the appeal of SC2 ZvZ, on the one hand, their is loads of micro, and its super intense, but on the other hand.... its literally retarded. Like, weird and stupid to an un believable degree.

Am i doing it right?
Both ZvZs are retarded both to play and watch below top level.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 23 2012 10:13 GMT
#50
I like all matchups and all of them can show great games, i've seen 1 hour long TvT's with almost no action that sucked and others that were full of action, drops, siege lines, air terran that were great!

ZvZ, PvP and TvT can all be great but sometimes they are not.. same with the other matchups imo
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 23 2012 10:22 GMT
#51
You forgot a matchup:

BW Hive ZvZ.


BW Hive ZvZ>all
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
pileopoop
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada317 Posts
April 23 2012 10:29 GMT
#52
BW PvP with retarded dragoons flailing around is so fun to watch
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 10:46:40
April 23 2012 10:46 GMT
#53
On April 23 2012 19:22 amazingxkcd wrote:
You forgot a matchup:

BW Hive ZvZ.


BW Hive ZvZ>all

It's easy to forget something that happens every 1000 games in the matchup
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 23 2012 10:47 GMT
#54
to play or to watch?
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Rokevo
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1033 Posts
April 23 2012 10:47 GMT
#55
I hate watching TvT(both BW&sc2). Its the only matchup that will make me just put a stream on the background and do something else

As for favorite it's ZvZ. It's ok to watch, but it's actually my favorite matchup to play in both games(yeah I'm weird I suppose u_u)
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
April 23 2012 10:50 GMT
#56
Never say PvP is crap in sc2. It's the best mirror in sc2 imo, unlike the other mirrors, you can actually open with 5 different strategies and much more different variations of it. You see stargate, council and robo tech, and almost every unit is used in this mirror. Actually the danger of the all in in the early game, makes this pvp even more interesting as you don't simply sit on 2 bases and turtle like protoss does in many other match ups.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
April 23 2012 12:08 GMT
#57
I hate to play ZvZ, but It's really fun to spectate. PvP can be really boring to spectate though.
Toastie
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands104 Posts
April 23 2012 12:13 GMT
#58
On April 23 2012 19:50 Adonminus wrote:
Never say PvP is crap in sc2. It's the best mirror in sc2 imo, unlike the other mirrors, you can actually open with 5 different strategies and much more different variations of it. You see stargate, council and robo tech, and almost every unit is used in this mirror. Actually the danger of the all in in the early game, makes this pvp even more interesting as you don't simply sit on 2 bases and turtle like protoss does in many other match ups.

Sure, a lot of different strategies, but all rock paper scissors.

( Robo > Twilight > Stargate ) > 4gate > any expo build etc
Never give up, never surrender!
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
April 23 2012 12:16 GMT
#59
BW ZvZ is by far the worst. I can't help but think people voting SC2 ZvZ over it didn't play or watch much BW :p

Favorite is SC2 TvT. Pretty much every unit is viable and used, there's multiple tech paths/strategies, and defender's advantage/positional play.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 12:22:47
April 23 2012 12:21 GMT
#60
SC2 TvT >= BW TvT - TvT SC2 generally has less boring tank lines and more action due to bio viability.
SC2 PvP < BW PvP - PvP in BW is exciting with reavers, storms, and lots of action. PvP in SC2 is only decent if blink wars happen.
SC2 ZvZ >= BW ZvZ - Both are terrible, SC2 is only sometimes better because I think ling/bling into roach/infestor is more exciting then ling into muta/scourge.
Moderator
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#47
SteadfastSC149
CranKy Ducklings116
rockletztv 34
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 149
Nina 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 875
sSak 274
NaDa 25
Purpose 11
yabsab 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever995
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1241
taco 283
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox308
Other Games
summit1g5975
Grubby1852
shahzam752
tarik_tv624
C9.Mang0453
Maynarde204
ViBE202
Trikslyr75
Mew2King61
JuggernautJason12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick763
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 17
• HerbMon 5
• sM.Zik 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1356
• imaqtpie1089
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
10h 7m
Replay Cast
23h 7m
The PondCast
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 9h
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Maestros of the Game
1d 16h
OSC
2 days
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
3 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.