For me I hate TvT in SC2 because it's so much about drawn out siege tank line snore-fests, though ocassionally has some innovative play. PvP and ZvZ may be more coinflip but at least they re micro intensive and tend to be short and sweet, plus you can see some cool upsets.

In BW I really hate ZvZ, it's just plain yuck, while pretty much every other matchup has at least had some great games going on. I haven't watched a lot of pro BW though, mostly just play with my brothers.

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

April 24 2012 07:19 GMT

#123

Anyone who has seen BW ZvZ would agree that it belongs at the top of this list. After that I would say only aweful mirrors in either games are sc2 PvP then 3rd would go to SC2 ZvZ. Best is more of an aquired taste but for some reason I have really fallen for SC2 TvT.

rinzz

Bulgaria26 Posts

April 24 2012 07:21 GMT

#124

TvT ?! rly.....how u can like Tanks Tetris......

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

April 24 2012 07:28 GMT

#125

On April 24 2012 16:21 rinzz wrote:
TvT ?! rly.....how u can like Tanks Tetris......

In all of sc2 I would say that TvT is the one matchup where from start to finish you HAVE to play perfect(or as close as you can to it) or you risk giving up a lead to your opponent. It is the matchup where if you can get one good position than you can overcome some big deficits.

rinzz

Bulgaria26 Posts

April 24 2012 07:35 GMT

#126

like all of mirrors.....and still is TvT(tanks vs tanks)

Glioburd

France1911 Posts

April 24 2012 07:47 GMT

#127

Most disliked mirror : SC2 PvP
Fav mirror : BW PvP.

Only TvT is correct at SC2. PvP and ZvZ aren't fun and are totally random.

phiinix

United States1169 Posts

April 24 2012 07:54 GMT

#128

I think these days the tank viking wars are much much less common. Most of the complaints about tvt these days are based off of how tvt was played like half a year ago. I think it's exciting because positioning is so crucial, and it makes it interesting to see how players use/side step watch tower vision.

Malaz

Germany1257 Posts

April 24 2012 08:12 GMT

#129

I play Random and I hate all three mirrors with a passion, most of the time I just 6 pool/canon rush or often times I simply just leave the game right away.
From a viewing standpoint I even enjoy watching a mirror from time to time, first game Nerchio vs Monster at DH was great for example. TvT is kinda ok to watch mostly, only Mech vs Mech can be pretty boring. PvP is my least favorite MU to watch I guess, but if you have pros like Grubby or HasuObs casting a PvP it becomes quite interessting all of a sudden, because they point out all the mindgames that are going on.
I didn't play 1on1 enough in BW to compare them, but just from watching ZvZ seemed to be the worst there.

Shock710

Australia6097 Posts

April 25 2012 07:03 GMT

#130

On April 23 2012 17:44 Odal wrote:
High level zvz in bw is incredibly awesome to watch. But complete shit to play. High level zvz in sc2 is incredibly awesome ot play, but complete shit to watch. Interesting how that works.

I don’t know about that, for me zvz in bw is super fun the every second in a zvz u are scanning at the mini map keeping ur lings in control (hold position on a ramp or setting up a run by) then it’s this TINY special awesome window where ur spire goes up and u dont die to some mass ling attack, u enter a whole new world! the muta micro is hard and fun, not because u just fly around and micro them, but doing that while managing ur base (not dying to runbys)

I’m not high level but I enjoy it a lot it just feels like every second counts

TheDougler

Canada8304 Posts

April 25 2012 07:11 GMT

#131

Everyone who dislikes SC2 ZvZ should watch this game:

Yes, game 2 and 3 aren't so hot, but game 1 shows the potential of SC2 ZvZ.

Also if zerg gets a siege unit in HoTS I think it'll become a FANTASTIC matchup.

vicml21

Canada165 Posts

April 25 2012 15:26 GMT

#132

I dislike PvP sc2. I dislike how there's little to no macro game because of the power of a 4 gate, and no intense micro like you see muta scourge lings or ling banelings in ZvZ's, making it uninteresting to watch.

I LOVE the new TvT in sc2 though, I love how dynamic it has become, potentially with potential for the use of so many different units and everything from short micro intensive games to longer macro style games.

DooMDash

United States1015 Posts

April 25 2012 15:27 GMT

#133

TvT is SCII is awesome. I would play random but I hate PvP or ZvZ.

honed

Canada482 Posts

April 25 2012 15:30 GMT

#134

how could you not vote for bw zvz o-o

Baum

Germany1010 Posts

April 25 2012 15:40 GMT

#135

I don't think Sc2's mirror matchups are really that bad. PvP has caused some headaches but the state it is in right now is actually pretty dynamic. TvT has always been a fine matchup and preventing it from being a 2 hour tank line stand off is basically dependent on map makers not letting that happen. ZvZ can be both boring and highly exciting to watch. Playing it is another story it can be really frustrating and stressful and unforgiving but it's not broken by any means maybe Heart of the Swarm can add something to the table here.

Louis8k8

Canada285 Posts

April 25 2012 15:42 GMT

#136

Banelings and fungal makes ZvZ SC2 way too damn painful and unforgiving.
PvP SC2 is like ZvZ but a lot slower and everything's chunkier. For some reason I like it the more. But it's only for the micro. All the mirrors are terrible MU for macro games imo.

I suck at TvT. My tanks are always sieged/unsieged at the wrong time.

I don't like mirrors in BW. Only TvZ and TvP.

Deleted User 26513

2376 Posts

April 25 2012 15:49 GMT

#137

Maybe I'm one of the really small number of people that like ZvZ in SC2. Yes, the baneling wars are really unforgiving and it is frustrating to play, but it is really exciting to watch. Also when you get past that phase the game becomes really interesting. This is my favorite mirror in SC2. My least favorite is the SC2's PvP... Colossus wars are not my favorite thing I guess.
For BW... PvP is my favorite. The "two players throwing imbalanced shit against each other" aspect excites me

ZvZ looks interesting, but I've never played it. TvT is my least favorite. Unless it is Flash vs Fantasy or something like that, it's kinda hard for me to stay awake watching that match-up.

shineq

United Kingdom1453 Posts

April 25 2012 16:04 GMT

#138

I've been playing Protoss up until recently, but having a PvP after PvP made me hate playing the game so much that I just had to switch to Terran. TvT, while not my favourite matchup is my favourite mirror (especially to watch) and it is fairly enjoyable for me. I don't really have any experience playing 1v1 in BW so I can't really comment on that.

EmilA

Denmark4618 Posts

April 25 2012 16:05 GMT

#139

PvP and ZvZ equaly dumb shit. If it makes it past a volatile early game it's just two armies of simple units brute forcing against each other and the winner of the big fight takes the game.