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BW:
PvP: Its so amazing to play & watch ie reavers/templars, but when it gets to an even mid game. Some games are BO wins
TvT: ITs a really good match up when the players are really good.
ZvZ: Even though it feels a bit weird, i think zvz displays a lot of skill in muta/ling/scourge micro,i am always impressed by the amount of micro it takes.
SC2:
TvT: by far the best mirror match up of SC2, so many possibilities, openings, few BO wins.
PvP: I think this is the worst match up, but its getting better little by little
ZvZ: Its a good match up, i think its fun most of the times, but it is also coinflip
so, for me
BW TvT = SC2 TvT > BW PvP > BW ZvZ=Sc2 ZvZ > Sc2 PvP
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The polls are never correct. Lol.
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On April 24 2012 02:07 TahoeRacer wrote:
The polls are never correct. Lol.
You know, it's doubtful that you laughed out loud...
I think there are more SC2 guys on this website than BW guys, and that's what this poll represents. There is no correct or incorrect choice here.
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I normally take a break whenever there's a ZvZ in BW. Though that's partly due to being a T1 fan as well as the matchup itself being silly.
SC2's mirrors have evolved fine, relative to other matchups that is. I feel like there's a fair bit of unjust labeling people make out of habit when it comes to PvP and ZvZ because of how they were played several months ago.
By far my most hated/boring matchup in both games right now is SC2's PvZ (unless Hero is playing it).
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SC2 PvP kinda reminds me of a more volatile, more boring version of BW PvP. Imagine BW PvP but without Psi Storm and with Reavers being replaced by a much less exciting unit with no harassment role. Oh, and Warp Gate makes one-base all-ins much more viable. However, Blink is an improvement over BW PvP, especially since it raises the skill ceiling for Stalker control now that pathing has improved since the days of retarded Dragoons.
When SC2 TvT gets positional, it becomes amazing. However, nowadays I see a lot of marine-tank action on quite a few of the maps, which is a somewhat volatile playstyle that doesn't have much of the meticulous positional play that I would like to see from BW TvT or some games of SC2 TvT. However, this is very much map-dependent, as marine-tank is more viable on maps like Antiga while a map like Crossfire or Daybreak promotes much more positional play, or perhaps even mech.
I don't like BW ZvZ in most cases. I like it when I'm emotionally involved with the players or teams, when it involves some very unique play or situation, or when it goes into Hive tech. Ling-bane wars are really entertaining and intense to watch, though sometimes I don't like this volatility when it kills off my favorite player. Mid-game tends to be a war of macro, positioning, and tech timings with mass Roaches mixed in with other stuff, which I find to be more cerebral and interesting than always watching very similar muta-scourge wars every game. But that is just personal preference.
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On April 23 2012 22:41 shucklesors wrote:WOW, I absolutely disagree, it has proven to be pretty darn exciting what with the recent KT zerg spree and all. BW TvT is just extremely boring because it's just so slow and difficult to gain a decisive advantage, the only matchup where I prefer SC2's mirror.
yeah but in tvt they make more than 15 workers and it doesnt devolve into wc3.
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PvP is by far the boringest match up followed by PvZ. Protoss just seems like a plain and boring race in general. PvT is fine because it has Terran in it, and who doesn't love terran? :p
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ZvZ in Broodwar is the best mirror match to watch live but sucks the most if you watch a VOD of it. Simply because the environment is so tense that anything can happen and when your cheering for your team, you will be the on the edge of your seat. It really keeps my heart pumping extra fast in those few minutes.
PvP in SC2 is arguably worst mirror match to watch, live or VOD. It just simply does not tickle my fancy tbh.
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Your polls are awfully made.
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TvT in sc2 can be extremely exciting as boring... some banshee hardcounter build ruins the game completely. almost as hard as ZvZ,
I agree with one before me, gamers tend to not scouting in mirrors and get a 'bo loss'.
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Im surprised more poeple have voted for ZvZ instead of PvP for the worst MU
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Poll results aren't surprising at all. ZvZ is a joke.
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SC2 PvP is sooooo Fooking bad and pathetic once it reaches mid/late game. Basically turns into a mass colossus stand off and the battle from an observer POV will be like WTF just happened...
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I kinda wish there were different polls for playing vs. watching too, I'll try to average my opinions together I guess.
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Oh, my favorites have to be TvT in both SC2 and BW. SC2 offers interesting contains and the always fun Bio-vs-Mech match-ups which add variety. BW has a great refinement to it, however that puts it above any other mirror match-up, it plays out very intensely while simultaneously not forcing a game to end in case a single siege line is penetrated. BW additionally, due to longer game times, allowed for a lot of very exciting tech choices to come out of the match-up, so despite both players being the same race the endgame has a fresh feel to it each match.
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PvP as a player is absolutely terrible. Being as shallow as it is means there isn't much room to outplay an inferior player, and that combined with WG and coinflip openers means that you constantly dread playing it in a tournament environment. It's the main reason that I switched to Terran. If both players survive the early game, it becomes incredibly slow paced as the potential for harass is very limited due to WG and blink from both sides, and neither player wanting to attack because of a -1 colossus disadvantage.
ZvZ is awesome to watch (early game), though I suspect terrible to play. Ling bane wars as a spectator are action packed and keep you on the edge of your seat because the advantage can switch at the drop of a hat, but once the game devolves into mass roach/infestor it gets boring quickly.
TvT was always a mixed bag for me, until I started playing the race. It's the most skill based of all 3 matchups, and while some games can drag on the amount of positioning and strategy involved in the matchup makes it incredibly exciting to both play and watch.
Speaking SC2 here btw ^^
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My favourite mirror to play and to watch is ZvZ bw.
The game is so intense, and really gets the adrenaline going. Also, as a zerg bw player, it was my best matchup on iccup by a significant margin, so that probably biased my opinion.
I also enjoy playing PvP in both bw and SC2, and enjoy watching TvT in both games (although some variety in the GSL was needed for a while ><)
My least favourite mirror to play is TvT bw, mostly because I played Terran so little then, and had no idea what I was doing.
My least favourite mirror to watch would be PvP in SC2. ZvZ in SC2 is also pretty bad imo.
Summary:
Like:
•watching ZvZ bw
•playing ZvZ bw
Dislike:
•watching PvP SC2
•playing TvT bw
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On April 23 2012 17:09 Censured wrote:
Most disliked mirror: BW ZvZ
Most liked mirror: SC2 ZvZ
... is it only me?
Nope, me as well, even though I feel a little weird about it. It feels... wrong.
That being sad, I think Sc2 has superior mirrors outside of PvP but is far far ahead in the non-mirrors.
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TvT (BW) > PvP (BW) > TvT (SC2) > PvP (SC2) = ZvZ (SC2) = ZvZ (BW)
The last 3 are all really bad to watch. I wish Hive ZvZ had taken off in BW instead of only seeing it 1 in 100 games.
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