EPT[Poll] Mirror Matchups in BW and SC2 - Page 8
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Marddox
United Kingdom108 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Favourite mirror is TvT in BW, it's an amazing game with push-and-pull, clever positioning, doom drops, tech switches (wraith surprise!), careful tank range ruler-measuring (that's what the Korean commentators say), armory sniping, and sometimes even BC's. It's true a lot of TvT's go the distance, lasting 30 minutes or longer, but I find it worth it most of the time. | ||
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zuperketla
Norway212 Posts
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
Also, every race will hate its own matchup's mirror matchup, or at least most will, so not sure if survey is relevant. | ||
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Maggost
Venezuela296 Posts
But when i play 1v1 with a friend we say "Lets build roaches/inferstors only" and it's very fun! | ||
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Indolent
Poland137 Posts
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Rinny
United States616 Posts
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:50 Indolent wrote: How come SC2 ZvZ is disliked more than BW one? Sure it's tough MU but it evolved so much since BW. Blizzard did great job with adding variety to it. Its because alot of people voting have never seen BW ZvZ so they are voting on what they know. I've never seen a BW ZvZ but I've heard enough about it to know that it was pretty bad. And that Jaedong could make 5 mutalisks kill ten or something crazy like that. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
PvP is the true shit hole here. Once it gets past the build order roulette stage, it either goes into making blink stalkers mode or colossi wars. I like watching 1 base blink vs 1 base blink but colossi wars is simply awful. You can't even scout your opponent's composition and you literally camp around the whole time. BW PvP had death balling too, but reavers and storm made that pretty cool. Colossi literally are the most boring unit in the game. Lets say I like watching Huk PvP instead of Hasuobs PvP. TvT is always great, be it marineking vs Heart style or Mvp vs TOP style. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On April 23 2012 22:26 paralleluniverse wrote: Hmm, my response is the complete opposite of the poll results. Why all the love for TvT? I hate that matchup, it's just tanks and vikings. And why all the hate for ZvZ? This is by far the best mirror. It's super intense, especially at the start with banelings. There's a lot more to a game of StarCraft than just micro. ZvZ and PvP tend to be less interesting to people with appreciation for play that involves large-scale game management. ZvZ is disliked in BW for this reason. It's pretty much stuck on super low econ micro wars, which is a stunted version of what SC can be. ZvZ in SC2 is better but still not that good. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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storkfan
493 Posts
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storkfan
493 Posts
On April 26 2012 02:41 Snuggles wrote: BW TvT is horrendous, I was really glad to see SC2 TvT have such an improvement. BW PvP is pretty painful too but still leagues better SC2 PvP. Are you kidding me? Maye you dont like to watch, ok. But strategy? BW tvt has amazing strategic depth, it is the one most true indicator of a player's chess capabilities of any RTS game. | ||
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On April 26 2012 02:46 hysterial wrote: SC2 TvT>SC1 PvP>SC1 ZvZ>SC1 TvT>>>SC2 PvP>>>>>SC2>ZvZ This is how I know you are wrong. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
This isn't to say SC2 ling/bling doesn't require micro .. but I'm not a fan of baneling splash being so unforgiving when you can lose almost your entire army to 1 or 2 blings. Lets not even discuss roach v roach. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 26 2012 02:55 a176 wrote: BW ZvZ can be painful to watch, but many people don't realize the inhuman amounts of micro required to successful in the matchup; muta stacking, scourge dodging, muta split, and deciding when and when not to build lings for runby. This isn't to say SC2 ling/bling doesn't require micro .. but I'm not a fan of baneling splash being so unforgiving when you can lose almost your entire army to 1 or 2 blings. Lets not even discuss roach v roach. The problem is ZvZ is so hard to understand and beginners don't know what to look for and think it is all just micro. ZvZ can be very interesting strategically once you understand some of it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193354 If the 2nd Overlords meet in the center of the map, then both can be assured that the other didn’t go a build where you get a 2nd Overlord late, such as a 9Pool, and can be freed of the burden of an early ling attack. Therefore, you can produce more Drones and play more economically. After the first Overlords meet, if the opponent’s 2nd Overlord is late, then that means your opponent went 9Pool. If the timing of your 2nd Overlord and his 2nd Overlord is about the same, then you can determine he didn’t go 9Pool. However, some manipulate this fact and deliberately send their 2nd overlord later than usual and make the opponent think that he went 9Pool. So, you can see how in ZvZ the psychological warfare and the fight to see your opponent’s build order can be shown by just this example of the 2nd Overlords. | ||
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
Anyway, I actually enjoy all the mirrors except tvt, but that's only because I don't understand it. Otherwise, I find pvp to be a clash of the titans, so to speak and zvz to be the most ridiculous snafu that I can't seem to hate... | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:15 Terranist wrote: anything was better than bw zvz. Am I surprised your name is Terranist? Anything was better than bw TvT. 40 plus minutes of tanks sieging back and forth. Oh, here come the wraiths, I have goliaths! | ||
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