I think SC2 ZvZ is much more interesting than BW ZvZ. I've only been watching BW for a year or so, but I get kinda bored with the one-base Spire play. I appreciate the micro, but the seeming lack of options in the match-up makes it dull IMO.

SC2 ZvZ is more interesting to me because of the various viable openings and tech transitions. Also, I'm a huge fan of ling/bling wars.

MilesTeg

France1271 Posts

April 23 2012 08:13 GMT

#22

Wow the results are really surprising for me! SC2 ZvZ is the most underrated matchup, and it's way better than in Brood War.

I think it's still underdevelopped, and a lot of people have no clue on how to play it but it's the most varied and dynamic matchup.

MonkSEA

Australia1227 Posts

April 23 2012 08:17 GMT

#23

Look at Monster vs Nerchio from the recent Dreamhack to see how exciting ZvZ can be

AmericanUmlaut

Germany2577 Posts

April 23 2012 08:20 GMT

#24

I think you need to keep the two games' polls separate, because the numbers aren't very meaningful with them all together. There is (sadly) a much larger population of people on TL who know SC2 but not BW than people who know both games.

mrtomjones

Canada4020 Posts

April 23 2012 08:21 GMT

#25

How can people dislike PvP in sc2 more than ZvZ? PvP has evolved so much and is no longer 4 gate or build order wins(most of the time). Pros even say that the better player will win most of the games now so it isnt just random. ZvZ on the other hand can end with one lucky baneling hit and has tons of BO wins like DRG vs someone in the GSL last week.

sluggaslamoo

Australia4494 Posts

April 23 2012 08:22 GMT

#26

On April 23 2012 17:11 densha wrote:
I think SC2 ZvZ is much more interesting than BW ZvZ. I've only been watching BW for a year or so, but I get kinda bored with the one-base Spire play. I appreciate the micro, but the seeming lack of options in the match-up makes it dull IMO.

SC2 ZvZ is more interesting to me because of the various viable openings and tech transitions. Also, I'm a huge fan of ling/bling wars.

I agree, but BW hive tech ZvZ has resulted in some of the best games in history. I just wish Kespa would design maps that would promote it.

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

April 23 2012 08:25 GMT

#27

So ZvZ is the most disliked and 2nd most liked? Werd?

I think ZvZ is terrible to watch and play in both games.
I feel like PvP is okay in BW, terrible in SC2 to play
TvT has always been the most dynamic mirror match-up, but can end up being a long-drawn out snooze fest. However, get the right players and its the greatest thing ever.(FanTaSY vs Flash [BW] MVP vs TOP [SC2])

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10345 Posts

April 23 2012 08:25 GMT

#28

Wow this is really interesting

However, i think it would have been better to separate BW and SC2, as there are probably more people familiar with SC2 than BW and will vote for a SC2 MU.

Actionfigurejesus

United States38 Posts

April 23 2012 08:29 GMT

#29

I like playing ZvZ-SC2, its really fast and somewhat terrifying lol. I've rarely played TvT-SC2 but its painfully boring to watch sometimes.

Chilling5pr33

Germany518 Posts

April 23 2012 08:30 GMT

#30

PvP (SC2)
TvT (BW)
TvT (SC2)
ZvZ (SC2)
PvP (BW)
ZvZ (BW)

I know everyone hates PvP(SC2) but since i watched the artosis hour i kinda like them becouse now i get whats up ^^

Kiett

United States7639 Posts

April 23 2012 08:44 GMT

#31

On April 23 2012 16:20 Aunvilgod wrote:
SC2 PvP has evolved A LOT. Today it is rather who-gets-more-colossus.

So basically... it's evolved from something crappy... to something even crappier.

Mass colossi vs. mass colossi is honestly about as dull as it gets. Even more depressing when you realize there's no real viable way to deviate from it, because every other tech path is so vastly inferior. There was recently a game between Grubby and White-Ra where White-Ra built a carrier to mix in with his army, and I loved him for it. But then he lost. Because he had less colossi.

Oh well. Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, tripod robots gotta fire their lasers I guess.

Glurkenspurk

United States1915 Posts

April 23 2012 08:44 GMT

#32

High level zvz in bw is incredibly awesome to watch. But complete shit to play. High level zvz in sc2 is incredibly awesome ot play, but complete shit to watch. Interesting how that works.

Eatme

Switzerland3919 Posts

April 23 2012 08:46 GMT

#33

On April 23 2012 17:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Wow this is really interesting

However, i think it would have been better to separate BW and SC2, as there are probably more people familiar with SC2 than BW and will vote for a SC2 MU.

I hope people that have no knowledge of one of the games refrain from voting.

I guess that to find the "best" mirror matchup you should look for one with a player that have significantly higher win % than his average after a signifinantly long time of pro level play.

vanhio

Niue1017 Posts

April 23 2012 08:48 GMT

#34

Sc2 PvP its not that bad atm

But ZvZ in both games is terrible :r

Grohg

United States243 Posts

April 23 2012 08:50 GMT

#35

PvP in SC2 is incredibly slow to me. I actually preferred the 4 gate vs 4 gate since the game was over quickly. Now we have to watch this build up until it's colossus vs colossus which takes forever and relies on the unit with possibly the worst design in the game. ZvZ isn't that volatile if you know how to play it correctly. The issue with pro players is that they never scout when doing economically greedy builds. If you scout an early pool when you 15 hatch you can cancel and get a pool up and have more drones to defend with. Early pool baneling builds might be the only things that can be complete build order wins. The matchup besides that can be really fun to watch...especially if one player goes mutas initially before switching into roach infestor.

TvT is the best mirror in SC2 due to the variability and generally safer styles. It's much like the other Terran matchups in that you can dictate the flow of the game with a more mobile bio style or zone out areas with mech while you build an army. Positioning is something that makes this matchup fun to watch as well. In PvP and ZvZ it's about the arc you can get with your units...TvT is more about setup and slow pushing to secure more of the map.

I get antsy playing ZvZ but TvT is way more fun and not as stressful due to the slower pace.

Bswhunter

Australia954 Posts

April 23 2012 09:14 GMT

#36

Hating on my precious SC2 ZvZ?
Its amazing. Stuff acturally happens in it.
Can't talk about SC:BW, but I do enjoy BW TvT

BearStorm

United States795 Posts

April 23 2012 09:17 GMT

#37

PvP BW was incredible! So many openers and follow ups were possible. Also the better player almost always won. The SC2 is an abomination in comparison.

Meteora.GB

Canada2479 Posts

April 23 2012 09:24 GMT

#38

This is strange. I think there's too many people who haven't played BW to actually give an accurate answer. You should have separated the two polls so people who played SC2 and not BW will only vote for SC2 ones.

But whatever. BW ZvZ can be crazy fun if it gets to hive tech. I guess TvT BW would be my favourite and the same for SC2.

ProxySilmaril

81 Posts

April 23 2012 09:25 GMT

#39

I hat PvP and love ZvZ

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts

April 23 2012 09:36 GMT

#40

Only reason i like TvT is because it seems the most "fair" and "balanced". ZvZ is the biggest pile of crap i have seen in my life. 1 miss click or going 15H can result in an insta loss, its crazy. PvP is very micro oriented but it still seems fairer than ZvZ. I do like a good PvP though.

(all views on SC2)