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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 11 2012 16:50 GMT
#101
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport. They should have the assistance of Kespa/progamers as was originally planned.

there design philosophy has been "make something cool then make it balanced" instead of "start it balanced then try and make it cool"
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
April 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#102
I really hope they are looking at the whole area of board control even after the removal of the shredder, SC2 needs units like that.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 16:53:30
April 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#103
I hope they just use beta to test unit idea. I am sick of people complaning about something that they know very little about.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 11 2012 16:53 GMT
#104
Soo, lets turn the tempest EXACTLY into the carrier...Just with a shorter build time( I'm only assuming ) and probably cheaper. Huh, nice work.
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#105
I really wanna see how many zergs really going to use the vipers ability to blind stuff...If only there was already a unit that sticks units in their place and kills them


Good updates imo.I am a terran and i really would like to see a decent mech approach.Take your time blizzard.We already have a beautiful game in our hands and we can wait for the expansion.
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#106
Everything about HoTS sounds absolutely terrible to me. Hope I'm wrong.
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#107
On April 12 2012 01:50 DayWalk3r wrote:
argh, time for zerg to be OP i guess ...
its a tough time to be a terran nowadays :-P


The games not even in beta yet...

Changes look good and show that they're definitely testing out stuff rather than taking the knee-jerk reactions that are half of the posts in this thread so far. I'll wait to try them for myself before deciding but I'm always excited about new stuff!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 17:09:15
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#108
We have decided to keep the overseer
Yes! I love the overseer! So happy ^^
Not sure if we need these alternative Nydus Worms, because it sounds like stuff you can achieve by OV spread and drop. Generally I like the idea of variety of worm mechanics though.
I hope they keep the Carrier, after all, hope they read what proportion of the fans want it. The Terran anti-siege missile reminds me for some reason of Dune 2's Death Hand of Harkonnen; I mean, it will probably have some serious disadvantages to its usage, otherwise it would easily become the most op unit in the game.

On April 12 2012 01:58 Warpath wrote:
Vipers eating minerals. Under attack? blinding cloud.
I can see 4-5 of these eating minerals in your opponents base pretty frustrating if your terran, with the lack of melee units.
"Blinding" cloud just reduces range by 1. It's not Dark Swarm, you don't need melee units for this.
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BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#109
On April 12 2012 01:52 Wildmoon wrote:
I hope they just use beta to test unit idea. I am sick of people complaning about something that they know very little about.


They've already talked about a beta. It'll show them how ridiculous any idea of a caster gaining energy from the most abundant resource in the game is.
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1100 Posts
April 11 2012 16:54 GMT
#110
On April 12 2012 01:41 Kimaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:38 baldgye wrote:
so happy the shreader is gone, but I really don't agree with the phonex range negating the need for the tempest.. in the blizzcon build while totally OP the tempest gave P players to go stargate without having to build robo units aswell and allowed you to be an 'air protoss' with gateway units in tow... this is something phonex range dsnt at all allow and simply makes them a little better to deal with muta's...

...some good changes and some interesting ones... I wish they would just bring out a beta for us to play around with but by the sounds of the changes they have made and are still making, i can't see a beta being anywhere close to being ready...

I don't know that I want "air protoss" to be an option. It doesn't exactly fit with their particular idiom of being an honorable warrior culture with superior technology.


you can't be a honorable warrior in an aircraft??
And I just think it would give Protoss more options than they currently have, and isn't that Blizz's whole 'things' behind the expansions?
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 16:55:30
April 11 2012 16:55 GMT
#111
I actually think the mineral to energy thing is pretty cool and I'm excited to see what they do with the nydus worm.
Russet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States48 Posts
April 11 2012 16:55 GMT
#112
Doesn't sound like they are close to release, makes me sad
scarrow
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom30 Posts
April 11 2012 16:56 GMT
#113
On April 12 2012 01:53 Grampz wrote:
Soo, lets turn the tempest EXACTLY into the carrier...Just with a shorter build time( I'm only assuming ) and probably cheaper. Huh, nice work.



It's not exactly the same.

It will have guaranteed damage. Our own broodlord.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 11 2012 16:56 GMT
#114
On April 12 2012 01:53 Grampz wrote:
Soo, lets turn the tempest EXACTLY into the carrier...Just with a shorter build time( I'm only assuming ) and probably cheaper. Huh, nice work.

except the carrier was useless when it comes to forcing fights

when a carrier attacks you want to sit back and jsut blow up the intercepters instead of running in and attacking the main army
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 11 2012 16:56 GMT
#115
I'm glad the Thor might be kept.

Very concerned about the Tempest though. Sounds like a very very dangerous addition to the Protoss ball.
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
April 11 2012 16:58 GMT
#116
Vipers eating minerals. Under attack? blinding cloud.
I can see 4-5 of these eating minerals in your opponents base pretty frustrating if your terran, with the lack of melee units.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
April 11 2012 16:58 GMT
#117
On April 12 2012 01:50 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport. They should have the assistance of Kespa/progamers as was originally planned.

there design philosophy has been "make something cool then make it balanced" instead of "start it balanced then try and make it cool"

Good unit design and good balance are very different things; balance can always come after. They focus so hard on making role specific units and not ones with possibilities for diversity. Ffs, they say "this is supposed to do this because of this reason".
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 11 2012 16:58 GMT
#118
We are also trying some additional abilities on the nydus network to allow you to spawn different types of nydus worms. The most interesting worms have been a worm that can spew creep across several screens to create a zerg assault highway, as well as a worm that attacks only enemy buildings, meant to be used as a ground-based zerg base raider.


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Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
April 11 2012 16:59 GMT
#119
I'm quite disappointed because terran is not getting any factory anti-air.(Who is gonna fly their brood lords into floating spider mines?) I also feel that terrran needs another factory unit like the Goliath.
Ucs
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
April 11 2012 17:00 GMT
#120
"The warhound still feels a little too much like a small thor, which is just not new enough to give terran players new strategies.

If we keep the Thor, we are currently experimenting with an anti-air spider mine that would give the terrans a way to get some factory-built anti-air into small places that a Thor has trouble reaching (like near your minerals). Whether this is meaningful, considering terrans have marines, is still in question???????? We are also experimenting with an extremely long-ranged terran missile launcher that can be used to break siege tank lines to make terran-vs.-terran factory-based games more dynamic."

If terran dosen't get a decent warhound and if Blizzard dosen't make mech more viable vs P/Z im finally gonna be able to drop sc2 without regret. Anti-air spider mine? Really? Long ranged terran missle launcher? Awfull thor still in game?


From what I read here it dosen't really look like a expansion...it looks more like a terran nerf.
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