• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:28
CEST 17:28
KST 00:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea How Can I Add Timer & APM Count? [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash ASL21 General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1726 users

Developers Update : Heart of the Swarm - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
1844 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 93 Next
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 11 2012 17:05 GMT
#141
Blizzard: Hey guys, we're going to solve the static mech TvT by adding an even longer ranged (probably static) missile launcher! Siege tank is dead, long live the siege tank.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
April 11 2012 17:06 GMT
#142
the funny part is that in the end we will have almost the same units as in BW.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
kinglemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany199 Posts
April 11 2012 17:06 GMT
#143
On April 12 2012 01:46 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:34 shockaslim wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport.

I also never want to see a colossus again.


I don't think this is the attitude to have. Blizzard doesn't make games as an esport......they make them for a wider range of people than just you.

Why should I care about casuals? They can still make a good game for everyone with an esports focus, they aren't mutually exclusive. This is TL, not the Bnet forums.


coolnes is the most important thing in game design.
as gay as it may sound, it's true.

still afraid of the recall for toss.
this sounds too much like toss doesn't has to risk something when moving out
Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
April 11 2012 17:07 GMT
#144
It feels like they're basing the improvements needed on the way the game played out 6 months ago. I suppose they'll change things around again as WOL develops further.
Chloroplaste
Profile Joined February 2011
France281 Posts
April 11 2012 17:07 GMT
#145
I really love the change ! Well done blizzard =)
tryteyker
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany83 Posts
April 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#146
Wait what? Anti-Air Spider mine? lol.
Not that I play T or Z, it just sounds ridicolous.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#147
On April 12 2012 02:06 kinglemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:46 rift wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:34 shockaslim wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport.

I also never want to see a colossus again.


I don't think this is the attitude to have. Blizzard doesn't make games as an esport......they make them for a wider range of people than just you.

Why should I care about casuals? They can still make a good game for everyone with an esports focus, they aren't mutually exclusive. This is TL, not the Bnet forums.


coolnes is the most important thing in game design.
as gay as it may sound, it's true.

still afraid of the recall for toss.
this sounds too much like toss doesn't has to risk something when moving out


I agree, I really really really hope this mass recall does not make it through. It just sounds absolutely dumb as a toss could just move out and then recall back. I just see it being dumb and if blizzard does this will be bad for the game imo.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
April 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#148
Im glad to see WoW PvP developers work for SC2 HOTS now, all we need now are icons that cost 20e each.
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/Beastyqt YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/beastyqtsc2
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#149
Also there will be beta to test thing out so everyone should calm down.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 11 2012 17:09 GMT
#150
Glad they got rid of the replicant, sounded preposterous. the new incarnation of the tempest sounds great.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 11 2012 17:09 GMT
#151
On April 12 2012 01:29 Fission wrote:
I actually shouted "YES!" outloud to these changes (particularly to the removal of the replicant). Good steps forward - hopefully P gets something useful instead, and T gets something that makes mech more viable xD

idk.. what they had added made mech entirely viable in all matches tbh armored firebats for vs toss and an easier to get antiair (which is now gone from what i read)

really they should scrap the tempest or w/e that ship is called for P and rework carrier to be a more efficient unit .. my personal opinion is to add +1 base armor to the intereceptors and add some move speed to the actual carrier with a better aquisition range and it would actually be a useful capital ship.
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 11 2012 17:09 GMT
#152
On April 12 2012 02:06 kinglemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:46 rift wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:34 shockaslim wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport.

I also never want to see a colossus again.


I don't think this is the attitude to have. Blizzard doesn't make games as an esport......they make them for a wider range of people than just you.

Why should I care about casuals? They can still make a good game for everyone with an esports focus, they aren't mutually exclusive. This is TL, not the Bnet forums.


coolnes is the most important thing in game design.
as gay as it may sound, it's true.

still afraid of the recall for toss.
this sounds too much like toss doesn't has to risk something when moving out


It's still an opportunity cost. Recall is probably going to cost 50 energy minimum, which means toss HAS to delay some of their tech or upgrades to get one or two "free" move-outs depending on how long they wait and how many nexi they have. Sure they get to poke and be annoying, but it will take a long time between pokes, and they're going to have slow as balls tech.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 11 2012 17:09 GMT
#153
Air spider mine sound like the most retarded thing ever oO

Why would Zerg ever go muta with that somewhere you can't see them?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
April 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#154
I just want to point out how awesome it is that they're actually making massive changes like this after announcing the units.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 17:11:54
April 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#155
On April 12 2012 02:05 Kimaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 02:04 Pulimuli wrote:
On April 12 2012 02:03 Tump wrote:
On April 12 2012 02:01 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:25 OyvN wrote:
Its going forward but i dont like the "maybe we keep the thor" line..

same!
hopefully we just get the Goliath. and leave the one big thor for lategame

The Viking is the Goliath...it just has to switch forms to go between ground to ground and air to air attacks.


you forgot it sux vs ground ^^

To be fair, so did the Goliath xD

Right on, but it had it's place in mech compositions. It does in SC2 too.

You must haven't seen much high level Viking ground form play. It can be quite useful in TvT in the early-midgame. Also, in late late late late late game TvT. :D (remember the game with Alive vs MVP or someone on Daybreak in GSL??)
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 11 2012 17:11 GMT
#156
On April 12 2012 02:03 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 02:00 Sp00ly wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:58 Warpath wrote:
Vipers eating minerals. Under attack? blinding cloud.
I can see 4-5 of these eating minerals in your opponents base pretty frustrating if your terran, with the lack of melee units.


Totally agree. I can see that mechanic getting seriously annoying. I guess turrets shut it down though?


I thought blinding cloud had to be on top of the BIO for it to blind it I am pretty sure? I could be wrong they didn't really say but that's what I was assuming is it had to be on top of the bio for it to work.

Eh, I don't like the idea for Blinding Cloud to only affect bio, as this makes it useless against pretty much all Protoss ranged units like Stalkers, Sentries, Colossi, and Archons which are all not biological. However, perhaps blinding Siege Tanks might make things a bit too difficult for Terran, but maybe that can be tweaked through balancing.

I like this mineral to energy siphon idea. It brings back memories of Consume without necessarily being Consume. However, I'm kinda worried about how this would affect the super late game when most of the map is mined out, or on maps where expansions tend to be farther away from where engagements and pushes happen (like on Tal'Darim).
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
DayWalk3r
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada192 Posts
April 11 2012 17:11 GMT
#157
On April 12 2012 02:04 Testuser wrote:
I'm sad the replicant is gone

ditto
Protoss not imba ... KiwiKaki MC Polt Bomber Hwaiting!
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 11 2012 17:11 GMT
#158
The missle launcher will just mean the siege lines of tvt are much further apart.
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 11 2012 17:11 GMT
#159
On April 12 2012 01:39 scarrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:36 FrozenFrotie wrote:
The fact that there isn't a mention of the carrier makes my protoss heart die a little inside...


Show nested quote +

The tempest was a powerful splash anti-air capital ship at BlizzCon. With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss, but we would still like to give the protoss some additional firepower in the air. The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.


Sounds pretty much like the carrier to me but with guaranteed damage (no interceptors to be killed).


They should just give the Colossus a jetpack :D
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13405 Posts
April 11 2012 17:12 GMT
#160
On April 12 2012 02:08 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 02:06 kinglemon wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:46 rift wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:34 shockaslim wrote:
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport.

I also never want to see a colossus again.


I don't think this is the attitude to have. Blizzard doesn't make games as an esport......they make them for a wider range of people than just you.

Why should I care about casuals? They can still make a good game for everyone with an esports focus, they aren't mutually exclusive. This is TL, not the Bnet forums.


coolnes is the most important thing in game design.
as gay as it may sound, it's true.

still afraid of the recall for toss.
this sounds too much like toss doesn't has to risk something when moving out


I agree, I really really really hope this mass recall does not make it through. It just sounds absolutely dumb as a toss could just move out and then recall back. I just see it being dumb and if blizzard does this will be bad for the game imo.


I think I can fix both the archon toilet and this nexus recall problem easily

Arbiters(sssssssssssssssss)
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 93 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .355
LamboSC2 300
trigger 81
Rex 60
Creator 59
BRAT_OK 54
Vindicta 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42274
Horang2 3158
Shuttle 1411
Mini 872
Soma 430
Soulkey 412
ggaemo 264
Rush 178
scan(afreeca) 149
Last 108
[ Show more ]
Shinee 80
sSak 41
Sexy 38
Movie 28
sorry 24
Rock 17
Shine 14
IntoTheRainbow 13
GoRush 12
Bale 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dewaltoss 2
Dota 2
Gorgc5336
syndereN461
420jenkins209
monkeys_forever102
Counter-Strike
fl0m2808
oskar59
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu334
Khaldor315
Other Games
B2W.Neo2451
Beastyqt762
FrodaN587
ProTech115
QueenE70
Mew2King57
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL18584
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 689
Other Games
BasetradeTV175
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Freeedom5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 22
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2639
Other Games
• Shiphtur60
• tFFMrPink 15
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
2h 32m
BSL
3h 32m
RSL Revival
15h 32m
Cure vs Rogue
Maru vs TBD
MaxPax vs TBD
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 32m
BSL
1d 3h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 18h
Wardi Open
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.