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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 05:57:06
April 12 2012 05:52 GMT
#921
Glad the replicant and shredder got scrapped. Shredder was pretty redundant for terran since they have so many units and buildings that control space(turrets,tanks,sensor tower,etc). It was a bad unit overall.

And thank god they remove the replicant.Balance would be an absolute nightmare when you have a unit that copy almost
every unit. Imagine fungal +storms+forcefield. Glad they remove it and give protoss something new and original.

Blizz, please increase mass recall energy usage by a ton. This ability will definitely be OP.
Mass recall should be researchable and not just obtainable right from the start.

Play your best
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 12 2012 05:53 GMT
#922
On April 12 2012 14:42 tztztz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 14:30 Synwave wrote:
No offense but browder knows about as much about balance as I do, he is a complete activision guy..what sells the most units in the first week and we will patch the rest.
The "rebalancing" shows this philosophy.
I just can't see this as being good for the scene but Im sure it will be good for the tm in the short term.


if this were true, they would have kept the carrier, right?

The carrier wasnt in Red Alert, he cant balance it so he just removes it. If this were true... well it is.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 12 2012 05:54 GMT
#923
Too many strange units.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 12 2012 05:59 GMT
#924
Fixing the Carrier sounds so much more logical then getting a new random air siege unit.
It's a fantastic design and i would really be sad to see it go away, but then again i am just a spectator what do i know.

The shredder going is like a blessing terran did not need it, and it's abuse would have been legendary

Zerg sounds good but the nydus and overseer are actualy descent just make them cheaper in gas, there simply is no need a nydus needs to be that expancive for it's sound and time it takes to build, making it 90% of the time a fail.

I asume pro players are helping with balance etc ? This would make things so much more easy.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
April 12 2012 06:00 GMT
#925
When I read this part:

The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.


I died a little inside. I know that nothing is set in stone yet, but do Protoss really need any help in end (i.e. late) game PvT?
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 12 2012 06:02 GMT
#926
On April 12 2012 14:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Glad the replicant and shredder got scrapped. Shredder was pretty redundant for terran since they have so many units and buildings that control space(turrets,tanks,sensor tower,etc). It was a bad unit overall.

And thank god they remove the replicant.Balance would be an absolute nightmare when you have a unit that copy almost
every unit. Imagine fungal +storms+forcefield. Glad they remove it and give protoss something new and original.

Blizz, please increase mass recall energy usage by a ton. This ability will definitely be OP.
Mass recall should be researchable and not just obtainable right from the start.


haha good one, imagine toss replicate infestor, then fungal mutas and storm the shit outta it rofl. No more whining about mutas imba lol.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
April 12 2012 06:05 GMT
#927
If they do the mass recall right it will finally solve the problem of Protoss lossing a base trade in just about ever situation
Moar banelings less qq
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
April 12 2012 06:13 GMT
#928
Carrier? ;___;
Writer:o
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
April 12 2012 06:15 GMT
#929
On April 12 2012 14:18 Amlitzer wrote:
The Oracle is starting to sound just like what the Void Ray currently is except needing a fleet beacon, so why not just buff the VR then instead Blizzard?

edit: I meant the Tempest.

I agree. I love Void Rays. I think they're uniquely designed and definitely benefits from increased skills. I wish Blizzard can make them a little more useful than now. I would love to be able to use Void Rays tactically, without all-in'ing or gimmickeries.
Laggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States385 Posts
April 12 2012 06:18 GMT
#930
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport. Blizzard, please stop making units that are explicitly role-specific.
Swallow your pride and use the assistance of Kespa/progamers as was planned. IP rights dispute is over.


This is just blatantly wrong, they nerfed voidrays because some korean pro gamer sent Blizzard a very detailed e-mail on how the voidray was imbalanced with certain timings and he included replays and things, and then nerfed the VR solely because of him.
D on iccup stands for diamond in SC2
Imalengrat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia365 Posts
April 12 2012 06:20 GMT
#931
Seems like the reveals at Blizzcon seemed to be negative. It must be hard I guess.
Mass Motherships Counters Almost everything
Scufo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States136 Posts
April 12 2012 06:22 GMT
#932
On April 12 2012 14:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 14:37 cosmo.6792 wrote:
There is only one certainty I garnered from this latest update: HotS will not be released in 2012. Absolutely no way.

They already said that in their SEC filings. Blizz is going to release only 1 title this year, and that title is Diablo 3.

Yup. On the bright side, we've got plenty of time to get into Masters before HotS drops :D
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 06:24:41
April 12 2012 06:22 GMT
#933
I wonder how much minerals Viper will extract from a patch per "mana reload". New z strat, get map control early and mine out your opponents future bases?
(edit: hmm it says "locks up a patch, that can't be permanent it would make no sense at all?)

Seems like TvP will remain the same shit it is now. Battlehellion alone will not change anything. Yes, maybe they will "stand their ground" against chargelots better than MMM does, but then again your tanks will kill them with friendlyfire. Give tanks some late game upgrade that reduces ff like in the single player.

Also kind of curious there was no mention about burrow moving banelings. Maybe it requires more testing to see if it works.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 12 2012 06:23 GMT
#934
On April 12 2012 15:05 IamPryda wrote:
If they do the mass recall right it will finally solve the problem of Protoss lossing a base trade in just about ever situation


If mass recall makes it into the game,Protoss will never ever lose in a base trade situation.
Play your best
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
April 12 2012 06:27 GMT
#935
On April 12 2012 15:23 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 15:05 IamPryda wrote:
If they do the mass recall right it will finally solve the problem of Protoss lossing a base trade in just about ever situation


If mass recall makes it into the game,Protoss will never ever lose in a base trade situation.


Because every time they engage in a base trade situation, their army will be superior to their opponents, and they will be able to critically damage their opponent before taking similar damage themselves to such an extent that the game will be unwinnable for their enemies.

Keep talking please, it will be good, but statements like that are delusional
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
April 12 2012 06:27 GMT
#936
The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.


What the fuck? This is just depressing if they actually think protoss is lacking in the lategame -_-
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
April 12 2012 06:28 GMT
#937
I knew the shredder was too good to be true.

Even at Blizzcon testing people were saying the best use for it to drop it behind the mineral line.

And the replicator would have been a nightmare to balance.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 12 2012 06:29 GMT
#938
On April 12 2012 15:13 Kiett wrote:
Carrier? ;___;


Carrier =(

Well at least it's good to see that they're not replacing it with an a-move unit anymore. Might actually detract from deathball mentality.

As much as I like their talk about the new units, I still feel like some current units in the game could use work. Collosi, Void rays, hydras, carriers (though being removed), overseers (though being worked on) and corruptors (they still have that ability?).

Basically, I'd like to see more abilities and micro-ability included in the game. Stuff like ultra charge and battlecruisers boost are nice handy little aspects of the game that will allow these units to be more viable in some form. I want to see a battle where so many abilities get used that we find it unbelievable as opposed to now where army positioning (splits, ordering, flanks, etc) is about the only thing that pros do leagues better than ladder players in battle at least.

More skills. Make players work for an APM + control goal that almost appears unachievable. Then we can celebrate when it happens. As it is we've been celebrating decent FF or storm placements, but every player should be able to do these, they just make mistakes.
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Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
April 12 2012 06:31 GMT
#939
On April 12 2012 15:18 Laggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:25 rift wrote:
I don't want "cool" stuff, I want a well-designed esport. Blizzard, please stop making units that are explicitly role-specific.
Swallow your pride and use the assistance of Kespa/progamers as was planned. IP rights dispute is over.


This is just blatantly wrong, they nerfed voidrays because some korean pro gamer sent Blizzard a very detailed e-mail on how the voidray was imbalanced with certain timings and he included replays and things, and then nerfed the VR solely because of him.


Source? Almost all the interviews they've ever done talk about changes being the result of multiple data points of which pro feedback is but a part, it's described in general over here:

Blizzcon 2010 Starcraft 2 Developer Panel
Tendoi
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 06:37:51
April 12 2012 06:37 GMT
#940
So they're removing the Carrier to add a Carrier with another name that doesn't have Interceptors. That's f*cking smart, isn't it?
I sleep more than koreans practice.
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