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The mods allowed this thread to be remade as long as it remains objective to the goal it is trying to achieve (determine who is the SCARIEST player out there), so please refrain for flaming or bashing others because of their opinions or it'll be closed again ):
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***Next Round @ 21:00 GMT (+00:00)***
DAY THREE VOTING ON!
Hello Teamliquid, I really want to create a list of who the best players are for each race, and be able to rank them. We never really had a solid Power Rank for SC2 and right now I feel is a pretty good time to let the community objectively vote for who the best players are as I feel the hype around certain players has died down a bit (MKP maybe?(; )
The power rank is staying true to what Teamliquid made it to be. Which player is the most terrifying, which player makes their opponent shake before they enter their booth, when your favorite player plays against them tears start running down your cheeks. It's not about results, it's about which player gives off that aura, and no rankings that look at results can gauge that. How one-sided are the games, are they being able to troll players from the get-go because they flow with so much confidence, this is the player who we are after.
I feel as the best way to go about this would be pick 16 Best Korean Terrans, Korean Zerg, Korean Protoss, Foreign Terran, Foreign Zerg, Foreign Protoss, and put them into groups of 4, having 4 polls per race category, and the ones' who get the top two votes advance out of their groups. Until you are left with one final group.
I will to the best of my ability pick the best players, top #5 according to TLPD for their race will be automatically added the other ones based on respectable achievements. The numbers in front of their name will represent their TLPD rank.
So without further adieu, put your objective voting face on, put your inner hardcore fan inside, and please vote subjectively. When voting I ask not to gauge skills from the last week exclusively and consider time 3 months, and about as far as 6 months back the road.
I'm unsure whether there will be any interest in this, but I for certain am very curious, and I think a two days to vote for each round will be satisfactory.
So these are the players I chose for the Top 16:
Korean Terran
1  TaeJa
2 MarineKing
3 MMA
4 MVP
5 SuperNoVa
6 Jjakji
7 aLive
11 Bomber
14 Ryung
16 fOrGG
17 GuMiho
18 Polt
20 NaDa
21 GanZi
22 sC
23 PuMa
Excluded:
8 TheStC
9 Maru
10 Noblesse
12 IMHappy
13 Yoda
15 Byun
19 Keen
24 TOP
25 Hack
Korean Zerg
1  DongRaeGu
2 Leenock
3 NesTea
4 Curious
5 July
6 Lucky
8 Symbol
9 Life
10 Zenio
12 LosirA
13 JookTo
14 BBoongBBoong
15 HoRRoR
16 CoCa
23 RevivaL
24 YuGiOh
Korean Protoss
1  Tear
2 Genius
3 Squirtle
4 Puzzle
5 Oz
6 MC
8 HerO
9 PartinG
10 Creator
11 Seed
12 InCa
15 San
18 TAiLS
24 SangHo
25 JYP
26 Alicia
Excluded:
7 Crank
13 HuK (Koreans Only)
14 soulman
16 finale
17 Extreme
19 GuineaPig
20 Tiger
21 Brown
22 YoungHwa
23 Choya
31 Sage
32 Tassadar
Foreign Terran
LucifroN
Strelok
BRAT_OK
ThorZaIN
Kas
Happy
SeleCT
SjoW
Beastyqt
DeMusliM
MajOr
Tarson
qxc
Naama
Jinro
GoOdy
Foreign Zerg
Stephano
Nerchio
Sen
LiveZerg
Snute
MorroW
Sheth
TLO
DarKFoRcE
Ret
IdrA
LaLuSh
Bly
biGs
DIMAGA
Killer
Foreign Protoss
HuK
NaNiwa
Fraer
Titan
MaNa
HasuObs
SaSe
Grubby
KiWiKaKi
Feast
elfi
BlinG
Bischu
NightEnD
Socke
White-Ra
*Notes: vileIllusion and Empire.VioleT would have been good picks but they were omitted unintentionally, no hard feelings to them (:
Polls
+ Show Spoiler [Pre-polls Info] +Before the polls are created, I want to let everyone in the community decide if I have any obvious players I should have added. I feel like my choices we're pretty decent, but if there are any differences feel free to suggest there here, ideally a list that doesn't contain your top 8, because it's very possible my 15th pick would be your 18th pick and so-on. If everything is good, the polls will be created within two hours. Cheers (:
The players are given a seed from 1-16 depending on where on the list they are, and the groups will be created as follows:
1,8,9,16
2,7,10,15
3,6,11,14
4,5,12,13
I believe it'll yield good results, and be within a reasonable time-frame.
+ Show Spoiler [Day One] +Day OneKorea TerranPoll: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group ATaeJa (602) 58% Bomber (338) 33% Puma (70) 7% Ryung (24) 2% 1034 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group A (Vote): TaeJa
(Vote): Bomber
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): Puma
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group BMarineking (883) 84% aLive (110) 11% ForGG (39) 4% sC (13) 1% 1045 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group B (Vote): Marineking
(Vote): aLive
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): sC
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group CMMA (852) 85% Jjakji (130) 13% GuMiHo (13) 1% Ganzi (11) 1% 1006 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group C (Vote): MMA
(Vote): Jjakji
(Vote): GuMiHo
(Vote): Ganzi
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group DMVP (598) 60% Polt (348) 35% Nada (31) 3% SuperNova (25) 2% 1002 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Terran Group D (Vote): MVP
(Vote): SuperNova
(Vote): Polt
(Vote): Nada
Korea ZergPoll: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group ADongRaeGu (909) 96% Zenio (16) 2% Life (13) 1% YuGiOh (11) 1% 949 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group A (Vote): DongRaeGu
(Vote): Life
(Vote): Zenio
(Vote): YuGiOh
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group BLeenock (756) 86% LosirA (85) 10% Symbol (34) 4% Revival (8) 1% 883 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group B (Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Symbol
(Vote): LosirA
(Vote): Revival
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group CNestea (792) 88% CoCa (92) 10% Lucky (14) 2% JookTo (7) 1% 905 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group C (Vote): Nestea
(Vote): Lucky
(Vote): JookTo
(Vote): CoCa
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group DJuly (458) 48% Curious (445) 46% BBoongBBoong (54) 6% HoRRoR (6) 1% 963 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Zerg Group D (Vote): Curious
(Vote): July
(Vote): BBoongBBoong
(Vote): HoRRoR
Korea ProtossPoll: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group APartinG (681) 79% Creator (151) 18% Alicia (18) 2% Tear (11) 1% 861 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group A (Vote): Tear
(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Creator
(Vote): Alicia
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group BGenius (522) 57% Hero (348) 38% JYP (33) 4% Seed (6) 1% 909 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group B (Vote): Genius
(Vote): Hero
(Vote): Seed
(Vote): JYP
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group CMC (589) 64% Squirtle (321) 35% InCa (7) 1% SangHo (5) 1% 922 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group C (Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): MC
(Vote): InCa
(Vote): SangHo
Poll: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group DOz (532) 64% Puzzle (267) 32% TAiLS (17) 2% San (11) 1% 827 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Korea Protoss Group D (Vote): Puzzle
(Vote): Oz
(Vote): San
(Vote): TAiLS
Foreign TerranPoll: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group ASjoW (419) 54% Lucifron (151) 19% Beastyqt (117) 15% GoOdy (90) 12% 777 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group A (Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): SjoW
(Vote): Beastyqt
(Vote): GoOdy
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group BSeleCT (417) 48% Demuslim (333) 39% Jinro (56) 7% Strelok (54) 6% 860 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group B (Vote): Strelok
(Vote): SeleCT
(Vote): Demuslim
(Vote): Jinro
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group CHappy (344) 45% Brat_OK (193) 25% MajOr (149) 20% Naama (73) 10% 759 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group C (Vote): Brat_OK
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): MajOr
(Vote): Naama
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group DThorzain (572) 70% Kas (207) 25% QXC (31) 4% Tarson (8) 1% 818 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Terran Group D (Vote): Thorzain
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Tarson
(Vote): QXC
Foreign ZergPoll: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group AStephano (771) 91% TLO (52) 6% Darkforce (15) 2% dKiller (5) 1% 843 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group A (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Darkforce
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): dKiller
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group BRet (404) 49% Nerchio (160) 19% Sheth (149) 18% DIMAGA (110) 13% 823 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group B (Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Sheth
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): DIMAGA
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group CSen (468) 51% IdrA (261) 28% Morrow (178) 19% biGs (19) 2% 926 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group C (Vote): Sen
(Vote): Morrow
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): biGs
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group DSnute (396) 69% Lalush (84) 15% Livezerg (53) 9% Bly (40) 7% 573 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Zerg Group D (Vote): Livezerg
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Lalush
(Vote): Bly
Foreign ProtossPoll: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group AHuK (596) 76% White-ra (96) 12% Grubby (65) 8% KiWiKaKi (28) 4% 785 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group A (Vote): HuK
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): KiWiKaKi
(Vote): White-ra
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group BNaNiWa (563) 73% SaSe (100) 13% Feast (66) 9% Socke (39) 5% 768 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group B (Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): Socke
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group CHasuObs (405) 62% elfi (155) 24% NightEnd (62) 10% Fraer (30) 5% 652 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group C (Vote): Fraer
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): NightEnd
Poll: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group DMana (397) 58% Bling (222) 32% Titan (57) 8% Bischu (13) 2% 689 total votes Your vote: Round of 16 Foreign Protoss Group D (Vote): Titan
(Vote): Mana
(Vote): Bling
(Vote): Bischu
+ Show Spoiler [Day Two] +Korea TerranPoll: Round of 8 Korea Terran Group AMarineking (313) 85% Polt (24) 7% Taeja (16) 4% Jjakji (14) 4% 367 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Terran Group A (Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Marineking
(Vote): Polt
(Vote): Jjakji
Poll: Round of 8 Korea Terran Group BMMA (222) 63% MVP (88) 25% Alive (35) 10% Bomber (8) 2% 353 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Terran Group B (Vote): MMA
(Vote): MVP
(Vote): Alive
(Vote): Bomber
Korea ZergPoll: Round of 8 Korea Zerg Group ADongRaeGu (301) 91% Leenock (16) 5% CoCa (11) 3% Curious (4) 1% 332 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Zerg Group A (Vote): DongRaeGu
(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): CoCa
(Vote): Curious
Poll: Round of 8 Korea Zerg Group BNestea (277) 85% July (23) 7% Zenio (14) 4% Losira (12) 4% 326 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Zerg Group B (Vote): Zenio
(Vote): Losira
(Vote): Nestea
(Vote): July
Korea ProtossPoll: Round of 8 Korea Protoss Group APartinG (146) 42% Genius (131) 38% Squirtle (60) 17% Puzzle (10) 3% 347 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Protoss Group A (Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Genius
(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): Puzzle
Poll: Round of 8 Korea Protoss Group BMC (213) 62% Hero (83) 24% Creator (23) 7% Oz (22) 6% 341 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Korea Protoss Group B (Vote): Creator
(Vote): Hero
(Vote): MC
(Vote): Oz
Foreign TerranPoll: Round of 8 Foreign Terran Group AKas (177) 57% SeleCT (99) 32% SjoW (20) 6% Brat_OK (14) 5% 310 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Terran Group A (Vote): SjoW
(Vote): SeleCT
(Vote): Brat_OK
(Vote): Kas
Poll: Round of 8 Foreign Terran Group BThorzain (235) 73% Demuslim (56) 17% Lucifron (19) 6% Happy (12) 4% 322 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Terran Group B (Vote): Happy
(Vote): Thorzain
(Vote): Demuslim
(Vote): Lucifron
Foreign ZergPoll: Round of 8 Foreign Zerg Group AStephano (285) 83% Idra (31) 9% Ret (24) 7% Lalush (4) 1% 344 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Zerg Group A (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): Lalush
Poll: Round of 8 Foreign Zerg Group BSen (161) 50% Nerchio (97) 30% TLO (53) 16% Snute (14) 4% 325 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Zerg Group B (Vote): TLO
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Sen
(Vote): Snute
Foreign ProtossPoll: Round of 8 Foreign Protoss Group AHuK (210) 61% Naniwa (125) 36% elfi (6) 2% Bling (5) 1% 346 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Protoss Group A (Vote): HuK
(Vote): Naniwa
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): Bling
Poll: Round of 8 Foreign Protoss Group BSase (188) 58% White-ra (71) 22% Mana (53) 16% Hasuobs (14) 4% 326 total votes Your vote: Round of 8 Foreign Protoss Group B (Vote): Sase
(Vote): White-ra
(Vote): Hasuobs
(Vote): Mana
Poll: Scariest Korean TerranMKP (251) 60% MMA (80) 19% MVP (75) 18% Polt (9) 2% 415 total votes Your vote: Scariest Korean Terran (Vote): MMA
(Vote): MKP
(Vote): MVP
(Vote): Polt
Poll: Scariest Korean ZergDongRaeGu (259) 66% Nestea (96) 25% July (18) 5% Leenock (17) 4% 390 total votes Your vote: Scariest Korean Zerg (Vote): DongRaeGu
(Vote): Leenock
(Vote): Nestea
(Vote): July
Poll: Scariest Korean ProtossMC (187) 47% PartinG (150) 38% Genius (37) 9% Hero (23) 6% 397 total votes Your vote: Scariest Korean Protoss (Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Genius
(Vote): MC
(Vote): Hero
Poll: Scariest Foreign TerranThorzain (223) 58% Kas (76) 20% Demuslim (50) 13% SeleCT (33) 9% 382 total votes Your vote: Scariest Foreign Terran (Vote): Kas
(Vote): SeleCT
(Vote): Thorzain
(Vote): Demuslim
Poll: Scariest Foreign ZergStephano (348) 85% Idra (34) 8% Sen (17) 4% Nerchio (12) 3% 411 total votes Your vote: Scariest Foreign Zerg (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Sen
(Vote): Nerchio
Poll: Scariest Foreign ProtossNaniwa (240) 57% Huk (148) 35% White-Ra (23) 5% SaSe (10) 2% 421 total votes Your vote: Scariest Foreign Protoss (Vote): Huk
(Vote): Naniwa
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): White-Ra
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MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible
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some of the groups are screwed up, eg foreign toss B compared to C.
I also think the context is important in this, MMA in a finals where he has prepared builds than MMA in a compact tournament format.
Regardless, cool poll!
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Has to be HoRRoR by default xd
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The groups are quite unfortunate I think.
I am interested to see how this turns out. Hoping the thread will stay open!!!
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Cool poll !
(Some groups are screwed though (e.g. Foreign Zerg Group B is so stacked compared to others).)
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
wow there are some surprising results there... as for koreans i pretty much voted for the player who had the most votes, but i think:
sjow - goody - lucifron => the third one needs far more than the first two imo
thorzain - kas => i think its alot closer than ~80-20 for Tzain
ret - nerchio => i would switch the votes , also dimaga is underrated there+ ret overrated
sen - idra - morrow - bigs => interesting group, idra overrated, bigs underrated imo
snute - livezerg - bly - lalush => interesting and close too, bly very underrated.
also, where is sLivko ? OP didn't even list him (and not everyone listed is even included in the polls) and i personally think he is better than half of the players listed.
edit: i know all the polls have a very small sample and everything could turn around, but i was just commentating on the actual results 
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Are you going to be doing this on a regular basis because if not this ranking is going to be irrelevant in a month.
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On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible
His 50-% TvP makes up for that.
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On April 10 2012 07:47 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible His 50-% TvP makes up for that.
Yeah if MMA's tvp/tvt were as good as his tvz he would be the scariest player by far lol xD
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No illusion as foreigner terran after he beat 3 code s players?
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why the hell did people vote idra nearly high as sen... it's ridiculous because idra is doing terrible as of now...
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On April 10 2012 07:45 red4ce wrote:
Are you going to be doing this on a regular basis because if not this ranking is going to be irrelevant in a month.
I honestly think it's longevity is going to be a lot longer, considering MVP hasn't done anything even close to impressive lately and is still being picked over Polt who has been getting to the finals left and right.
The one shocking result for me is Demuslim so high D:
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
and btw. i don't quite understand the "Scariest Player" (or other commonly used adjectives) part, it's equal to "The Best Player" isn't it?
I mean how can you be super good and not scary, or scary and not good?
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Why is Violet missing? :[ Definitely Top 16 Zerg and if you want to call him a foreigner, together with Stephano the best foreign Zerg
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TheSTC, Maru and Byun need serious reconsideration IMO. As well as Choya for Protoss.
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On April 10 2012 07:48 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:47 Aunvilgod wrote:On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible His 50-% TvP makes up for that. Yeah if MMA's tvp/tvt were as good as his tvz he would be the scariest player by far lol xD
Yeah. Slayers should pick up some more Protosses.
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On April 10 2012 07:27 ...what wrote:
some of the groups are screwed up, eg foreign toss B compared to C.
I also think the context is important in this, MMA in a finals where he has prepared builds than MMA in a compact tournament format.
Regardless, cool poll!
This. Give MMA time to prepare and have a gameplan (i.e. GSL Code S/A) his TvP weakness becomes a positive (beating Oz, and MC in last 2 GSL's) and his TvT turns from just ok to scary (basically has smashed everyone in TvT since October except for Alive this past season).
There is no coincidence his last 4 GSL's have gone Champion, Ro8 (lost to a bunch of Oz cheeses and Calm Before the Storm), Champion, Ro8 (beats Oz and loses to Alive's really strong TvT).
His style is prone to dying to timing attacks since he plays really greedy and he kind of freestyles and reacts in the compact tournaments. Against Zerg, Terran doesn't actually just straight lose if he gets behind to an early bust so even if he gets behind his godly style almost always makes him win. Against Terran and Protoss their timing attacks can just end games which is why he can die to an aggressive player like Puma or MarineKing or Squirtle etc.
With a set build against a certain player he will either get far ahead (usually) or at least get to the mid/end game without dying where his decision making is very good.
MVP used to be the King of both. His overarching style was so solid and powerful that he could just play standard and destroy pretty much everyone and he always pulled out some ridiculously strong builds in GSL (his cheeses are like ridiculous and he basically always wins).
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MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2.
+ Show Spoiler +But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D
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Does just the group winner advance? I dont get the format..
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Comparing
 Foreign Group B
with
Foreign Group D
pretty much shows how bad thought out this is. i like the idea, but it couldve been done so much better.
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Group B for foreign zergs is so unfair haha, that's like four of the current top 5 zergs T_T
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looks like a fun idea^^
The votes are very subjective. Is there any system for the Group Assigning?
my subjective opinion:
not sure if Bischu deserves his spot, not that he is bad, but i would rate others more highly (maybe axlav, monchi etc. )
i would choose TheStC over fOrGG,GanZi, sC, Ryung,... at any day
I would choose any player out of Foreign Zerg Group B and C over all the players from
Foreign Zerg Group D
And an other group of death: Foreign Protoss Group B
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On April 10 2012 08:08 OrbitalPlane wrote:
looks like a fun idea^^
The votes are very subjective. Is there any system for the Group Assigning?
my subjective opinion:
not sure if Bischu deserves his spot, not that he is bad, but i would rate others more highly (maybe axlav, monchi etc. )
i would choose TheStC over fOrGG,GanZi, sC, Ryung,... at any day
I would choose any player out of Foreign Zerg Group B and C over all the players from
Foreign Zerg Group D
And an other group of death: Foreign Protoss Group B
I chose 16 players that I felt that qualified and ordered them by their ELO ranking (if I ranked them from strongest to weakest according to me I don't think it'd be fair)...
Groups were assigned:
1,8,9,16
2,7,10,15
3,6,11,14
4,5,12,13
And to the other question, the Top 2 Advance.
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But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.
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On April 10 2012 08:13 FatBat wrote:
But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.
I have to agree, but i am pretty sure you can't do polls on TL with more than one option.
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are you trying to make a list at the end or just find the best overall? because a list doesn't work because by selecting the same amount of players between foreigner and korean you are under the assumption that foreigner skill and korean skill levels are equal, which is obviously not true. if you are keeping the comparisons separate then it would work well.
if you want the "scariest player" overall just pick top 5 korean terran/zerg/protoss and have a vote from those
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Master jane used to be scarry, not now.... Kas!
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On April 10 2012 08:17 IMNasty wrote:
are you trying to make a list at the end or just find the best overall? because a list doesn't work because by selecting the same amount of players between foreigner and korean you are under the assumption that foreigner skill and korean skill levels are equal, which is obviously not true. if you are keeping the comparisons separate then it would work well.
if you want the "scariest player" overall just pick top 5 korean terran/zerg/protoss and have a vote from those
I guess I'd want to kill more than one bird with one stone, so we can see who the best of each race is, foreign or korean.
On April 10 2012 08:13 FatBat wrote:
But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.
Overall I don't think it's a huge concern, I think the scariest two will find themselves on top, I agree it isn't perfect, but since there can only be one option this method is better than doing a single elimination because really good players can find themselves out very early.
The other alternative is have two of each poll and total the votes between the two polls, but that is too complicated.
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United States97276 Posts
Mvp has to be the scariest player ever during his reign of terror during the second half of 2011. MMA looked like he was starting to get there but his TvP is always holding him back. For the first part of 2012 DRG was just absolutely ridiculous. It appeared he had no weak matchups and was crushing people. I think players with potential to become the scariest are Taeja, MKP, and Jjkaji. Taeja is unbeatable in the Korean weekly. Jjakji and MKP are drastically improving their weak matchups. We all say Mvp was "weak" against Protoss, but he still maintained a win rate over 60% in the matchup. I don't think you can call anyone the scariest player when they still have a weak matchup. MMA has the scariest single matchup with his TvZ. It's just fucking incredible. If he fixes his TvP then yes, he will be a candidate imo for scariest player. I just picture "scariest" player as someone who should be heavily favored regardless of matchup. You shouldn't have to say... well so and so is pretty good and x player is kind of weak against that so there is pretty big upset potential. With mvp it was like oh fuck he's playing mvp. 98% liquibets in favor of mvp
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Pretty sure the scariest is iNcontrol by far. I wouldn't be too scared if MKP confronted me in a dark alley.
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It's not possible anymore to vote my favs terran foreigners, so i only write down my opinion:
I think a scary player is a realy hard to estimate one. So i would say Naama and GoOdy are two hard to estimate players. Naama because of his unconventional, but well thougt out one-base all-ins and GoOdy because of his realy not so common mech style and his patience.
Both are having their weaksnesses, but they are also able to play down a standard (not exemplary, but solid) macro game.
I don't know the other terras (or even races) well enough to make a judge about them. so this is only my personal opinion!
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On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2. + Show Spoiler +But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D
lets not forget Flash's own less than perfect TvP
Foreigner zerg group D -_____- snute too strong
I honestly don't disagree with any of the current ratings... its just harder to say with foregienrs
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On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2. + Show Spoiler +But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D
SC2 TvP is why Flash hasn't switched over obviously!
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On April 10 2012 08:39 Fawkes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2. + Show Spoiler +But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D SC2 TvP is why Flash hasn't switched over obviously!
Flash would innovate the matchup and go Air-Terran.
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Sjow > Lucifron
NightEnd > Fraer
Bling > Titan
Are you kidding me ?
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Scariest overall
KOREAN
Terran: MKP
Protoss: Genius
Zerg: DongRaeGu
FOREIGN:
Terran: ThorZaiN
Protoss: HuK
Zerg: Stephano
Most of these aren't really debatable, perhaps T & P for Koreans, especially protoss as there isn't really a dominant player right now, with many good consistent protoss but not GSL champion level.
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Ugh...these polls are just giant popularity contests :\ doesn't really mean much :\
But it is fun to see who wins <3
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How is BRAT_OK not winning?
![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/359ts7.jpg)
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Cmon Major! people will soon see how scary you are 
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On April 10 2012 09:06 HuKPOWA wrote:
Ugh...these polls are just giant popularity contests :\ doesn't really mean much :\
But it is fun to see who wins <3
yep, there needs to be an other way, you would lie to yourself if you think polls would give you a good answer. Even Husky could rally his fans to vote for him to be the best protoss player.
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the only thing im curious about is how vileillusion isn't considered a top foreign terran?!
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How is vile illusion not even on the list? He beat 3 Code S players of each race at IPL 4?
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these groups are so fucked. c'mon, look at the differences between foreign zergs groups D and B.
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well , whe should differenciate between the best and the scariest... i think MC is the scariest..yet not the best rigth now..
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On April 10 2012 09:14 Bagration wrote:
How is vile illusion not even on the list? He beat 3 Code S players of each race at IPL 4?
no, he beat 1 of each race
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but still, illusion should be on the list
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Poll made me realize how damn underrated Fraer, Titan and Tails are.....
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This won't work, its clearly a popularity contest
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The scariest player has gotta be MMA. His multitasking and multi-pronged attacks can make anyone crumble. His results are inconsistent, but I see more potential in him than anyone.
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On April 10 2012 09:20 Kaitokid wrote:
Poll made me realize how damn underrated Fraer, Titan and Tails are.....
Made me realize how far away foreigners are from Koreans tbh.
Haha j/k, + Show Spoiler +
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On April 10 2012 09:12 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 09:06 HuKPOWA wrote:
Ugh...these polls are just giant popularity contests :\ doesn't really mean much :\
But it is fun to see who wins <3 yep, there needs to be an other way, you would lie to yourself if you think polls would give you a good answer. Even Husky could rally his fans to vote for him to be the best protoss player.
TotalBiscuit's tophat for best korean terran!
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Am i not good enough for any of these things lol
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On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible
and what if you dont play zerg?
its still mvp or nestea. would never bet against either of them in any match up against anyone.
On April 10 2012 10:07 vileIllusion wrote:
Am i not good enough for any of these things lol
gotta do more talk shows first then you are better player, get more invite straight to pools np.
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Kinda sucks to have Kas and Thorzain in the same group.
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On April 10 2012 10:09 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible and what if you dont play zerg? its still mvp or nestea. would never bet against either of them in any match up against anyone. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:07 vileIllusion wrote:
Am i not good enough for any of these things lol gotta do more talk shows first then you are better player, get more invite straight to pools np.
I would pretty much bet against MVP no matter who his opponent is right now (well, maybe not if it's Incontrol or something :D), he even got beaten by IdrA. MVP's wrists seem to be really bad right now, he can't even attend tournaments anymore, I doubt he can practice much...
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On April 10 2012 08:35 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2. + Show Spoiler +But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D lets not forget Flash's own less than perfect TvP Foreigner zerg group D -_____- snute too strong I honestly don't disagree with any of the current ratings... its just harder to say with foregienrs
lol how can you call a (69.52%) win ratio out of 194 of professional brood war less than perfect? That's pretty damn good considering all of his games were against A team and S Class Protoss's (Bisu/Stork).
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These kind of threads are always funny to see, from foreigner polls there is like 2 correct and rest are way far off.
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Beasty maybe you can share your opinion? You've played hundreds of games against those players, I'd love to hear you rant how bad player x actually is and how underrated player y is xD
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On April 10 2012 10:20 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
These kind of threads are always funny to see, from foreigner polls there is like 2 correct and rest are way far off.
whats ur opinion on Fraer, Titan and Major being so low?
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everyone who watched a few replays of Titan or Fraer or takes a look at ladderrankings from time to time knows they are incredibly good
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For me, the most impressive of each race have to be Mvp, NesTea and MC.
Mvp being the scariest player I've ever seen after GSL August.
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On April 10 2012 10:28 Kaitokid wrote:
Beasty maybe you can share your opinion? You've played hundreds of games against those players, I'd love to hear you rant how bad player x actually is and how underrated player y is xD
I'd get bombed with hate from fanboys if I named specific.
Lets just say all the hyped and "up and coming" players are..not that good and"meh he's ok, been here long time" players are much better than people think.
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Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet.
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Sorry, but this is basically just a name recognition thread/popularity contest for the most part.
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On April 10 2012 10:41 F-Decoy wrote:
Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet.
how many times have we heard the line "when x starts playing more they will dominate"
zzzz. when he does something he will be considered good, he doesnt get to be called good because hes mediocre on 2 hours a day.
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On April 10 2012 10:46 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:41 F-Decoy wrote:
Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet. how many times have we heard the line "when x starts playing more they will dominate" zzzz. when he does something he will be considered good, he doesnt get to be called good because hes mediocre on 2 hours a day.
he just won the gathering and yes hes good
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On April 10 2012 10:46 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:41 F-Decoy wrote:
Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet. how many times have we heard the line "when x starts playing more they will dominate" zzzz. when he does something he will be considered good, he doesnt get to be called good because hes mediocre on 2 hours a day.
This is pretty much why this kind of polls are bad.
Here you go buddy, mediocre player right here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Gathering_2012
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The groups are a bit retarded. Kas and thorzain in the same group, dima nerchio and ret in same group etc
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"scariest" as in having the highest winrate in all their MU's or....?
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On April 10 2012 10:38 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:28 Kaitokid wrote:
Beasty maybe you can share your opinion? You've played hundreds of games against those players, I'd love to hear you rant how bad player x actually is and how underrated player y is xD I'd get bombed with hate from fanboys if I named specific. Lets just say all the hyped and "up and coming" players are..not that good and"meh he's ok, been here long time" players are much better than people think.
Haha, I disagree. But I think you mean that Snute should be in a tougher poll (I agree, much as I love Snute, the Nerchio/Ret/Sheth poll is ridiculous). Personally, I also have a real problem with the HasuObs poll (put SaSe in here and he wins hands down. At any rate, fraer might be the best as it stands) and the voting in the SjoW poll (LucifroN 100%). But that's just me, carry on.
Also, Beasty actually deserves more votes.
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The groups are pretty messed up I think, some of the closer top ones should have another round of voting like if two are over 25% or something and combine groups...
Either way Flash is still scariest SC2 player. (I do realize he doesn't even play yet, but imagine if MMA played him first round in a tournament, who would be more scared?)
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The scariest players are the ones that regularly mix in cheeses. MC for protoss, July (whom is on a strong run atm) for zerg, and I guess Alive for terran. With Terran it seems like ALL the top players cheese quite often but I feel that Alive does it maybe a little more so than others.
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haha I find it funny how close each foreign group (Stephano excluded) is compared to the Koreans where each group with the exception of one is one sided.
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Sen and idra in the same group  . I'm also surprised Sheth has so few votes
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On April 10 2012 10:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:46 turdburgler wrote:On April 10 2012 10:41 F-Decoy wrote:
Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet. how many times have we heard the line "when x starts playing more they will dominate" zzzz. when he does something he will be considered good, he doesnt get to be called good because hes mediocre on 2 hours a day. This is pretty much why this kind of polls are bad. Here you go buddy, mediocre player right here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Gathering_2012
I think a lot of people remember how he got roflstomped against koreans in dh valencia.
The gathering didn't have that many top tier players in it. I didn't personally watch it, so I have no clue how he played (he might've been godlike), but on paper it doesn't look that super impressive.
On April 10 2012 10:54 Galvanox wrote:
The groups are pretty messed up I think, some of the closer top ones should have another round of voting like if two are over 25% or something and combine groups...
Either way Flash is still scariest SC2 player. (I do realize he doesn't even play yet, but imagine if MMA played him first round in a tournament, who would be more scared?)
There's another thread for that. Flash is not a SC2 player, and thus disqualified from this thread.
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How do you guys want me to do groups for the ones who advance?
A1A2B1B2
C1C2D1D2
or
A1A2D1D2
B1B2C1C2
or
A1B1C2D2
A2B2C1D1
or
A1D1B2C2
A2D2B1C1
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On April 10 2012 11:54 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On April 10 2012 10:46 turdburgler wrote:On April 10 2012 10:41 F-Decoy wrote:
Lucifron might be one of the most underrated player in this topic. The kind of guy not playing that much beside some cg and rolling over people when he shows up. I'd just like to see him playing serious like most of others progamers.
Also, agree about the Titan,/Fraer thing, they are really good but, at the moment, they aren't used to offline events and aren't scary yet. how many times have we heard the line "when x starts playing more they will dominate" zzzz. when he does something he will be considered good, he doesnt get to be called good because hes mediocre on 2 hours a day. This is pretty much why this kind of polls are bad. Here you go buddy, mediocre player right here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Gathering_2012 I think a lot of people remember how he got roflstomped against koreans in dh valencia.The gathering didn't have that many top tier players in it. I didn't personally watch it, so I have no clue how he played (he might've been godlike), but on paper it doesn't look that super impressive. Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 10:54 Galvanox wrote:
The groups are pretty messed up I think, some of the closer top ones should have another round of voting like if two are over 25% or something and combine groups...
Either way Flash is still scariest SC2 player. (I do realize he doesn't even play yet, but imagine if MMA played him first round in a tournament, who would be more scared?) There's another thread for that. Flash is not a SC2 player, and thus disqualified from this thread.
He did get crushed: By DRG in the first round. He basically had no chance to show his true ability because right off the bat he was up against a player much, much better than him. I don't think DH Valencia is the best indicator of Lucifron's skill.
Every player looks bad when they go against one of the world's best. Just this weekend, MMA made Stephano look absolutely silly, even though Stephano had just crushed ST Bomber (a very strong TvZ player) 2-0. Of course, we all know Stephano is better than how he looked against MMA.
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On April 10 2012 09:19 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 09:14 Bagration wrote:
How is vile illusion not even on the list? He beat 3 Code S players of each race at IPL 4? no, he beat 1 of each race
My apologies, my post was ambiguous in that regard. You are correct.
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This is silly. BRAT_OK wins by default. Everyone else has been killed.
![[image loading]](http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1199/brat.png)
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socke not getting nearly the credit he deserves being in a group with people like naniwa
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On April 10 2012 13:00 Jibba wrote:This is silly. BRAT_OK wins by default. Everyone else has been killed.
LIKE.
200th post LOL
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He's the older brother of the i like turtles kid.
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On April 10 2012 13:00 Jibba wrote:This is silly. BRAT_OK wins by default. Everyone else has been killed.
LOLLLLLLLLL
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On April 10 2012 13:00 Jibba wrote:This is silly. BRAT_OK wins by default. Everyone else has been killed.
Holy shit Dimaga in the last part hahahaha!
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On April 10 2012 13:32 Grohg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:00 Jibba wrote:This is silly. BRAT_OK wins by default. Everyone else has been killed. Holy shit Dimaga in the last part hahahaha!
My organs just came out of my body from then laugher lololol.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA Dimaga + Brat_OK eyes is best ever rofl 
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lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
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Dimaga looks like the joker with Brat-ok's eyes.
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this seems like a popularity contest <_<
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On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
I'm sure Taeja will get a lot of votes because he is in Liquid but if you watched their games lately it is not strange to pick him over Bomber solely based on their play.
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On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
Maybe his current TLPD.
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well the problem with this thread is that people don't pick the "strongest/best" player but rather a player they like.
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On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
You clearly haven't seen Bomber play lately....
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can i ask why you exclude TheStC as one of the best terrans overall ?
and maru also , they both way better then most in your top16 any reasons for the exclude ?
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On April 10 2012 15:14 CoR wrote:
can i ask why you exclude TheStC as one of the best terrans overall ?
and maru also , they both way better then most in your top16 any reasons for the exclude ?
Maru has become good very newly. He has zero actual achievements, and compared to the list of Terran that are flooded with achievements, dominance, someone like Maru with currently only a 28-21 record in Korea did not impress me.
The StC could be put into consideration, but the fact he has never really traveled abroad and never really competed in the GSL made me rather pick the others. He had a good history playing those Giaso cups or whatever where he had a 23 game win streak I believe, and the more I think about what he achieved, I suppose he could be on the list. Even then, from the selected players, I don't feel he really stands much above any of them, I can see putting him above one or two people, but he doesn't blow my mind.
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Very interesting...
I think people don't give Coca quite enough credit. Kid is a sick baller and he will definitely win something big in the next year.
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Rofl at Hero doing so good against Genius. I used to just think he was the most overrated Korean but now I think he might just be the most overrated player anywhere. Genius just got a second place in Code S and didn't fall to the GSL finalist curse by making ro16. Hero has never done anything anywhere near that hell he couldn't even get Code S until this season despite trying for the past 5 months.
On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
Bomber can't even stay in GSL. Taeja just got to ro16.
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On April 10 2012 07:53 Art_of_Kill wrote:
no question, Dimaga
see this guy is probably right, because it asks for the 'scariest' player, and he freaks me out.
the 'best' player though, for zergs, is stephano
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Ya, when it comes to TvZ there is none close to MMA in my opinion but his TvT is good but nothing special and his TvP is lower than average.
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I think personally that marineking should be #1 for terrans and I dont even know who Tear is. :/
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This is farce it will only result in a popularity contest. Why isn't the power rank that the TL staff publish in the eve of every major tournaments enough.
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It's kinda pointless putting something like this to a poll, as everybody's fanboy mode gets activated, causing them to choose their favorite players as opposed to who truly are the scariest in the game. And that invariably leads to bashing/bans when they start defending their favorite player and bashing others.
Instead, why not sit down with a few pro-players and ask them who do they find the scariest opponent race-wise and make an article on that instead?
Just my 2 cents...
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I cant believe HasuObs is beating out elfi. While Hasu is a good player, he ahs no big standout traits, where elfi has his godly PvP where he beats MC a ton
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Seriously? Fanboys, please! I am also big ThorZain fan but he is at the moment he is far from being more scary than Kas. Same with HasuObs and Elfi.
Of course this is just my opinion. But I have facts behind me... like you know, tournaments in 2012? xD
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On April 10 2012 07:42 CruiseR wrote:
sjow - goody - lucifron => the third one needs far more than the first two imo
did you watch de gathering???? lucifron was far ahead the best player there, much better than sjow, and of course much much better than goody
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I think this is a pretty good idea and would be a good way to determine who is the scariest player by race according to the community.
I also don't mind the fact that some groups are not properly balanced, as the first choice will be the scariest of the group no matter what.
By the way, it's a very good thing that these are not based on results. Bomber still stays a force to be reckoned with, even if no consistents results =). Well done OP, and I can't wait to see what this is gonna evolved into !
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Lucifron so scary ... he should go fulltime!!! ^^
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Let's call it a day and give the title to MKP, DRG, and MC.
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On April 10 2012 16:28 hyperknight wrote:
It's kinda pointless putting something like this to a poll, as everybody's fanboy mode gets activated, causing them to choose their favorite players as opposed to who truly are the scariest in the game. And that invariably leads to bashing/bans when they start defending their favorite player and bashing others.
Instead, why not sit down with a few pro-players and ask them who do they find the scariest opponent race-wise and make an article on that instead?
Just my 2 cents...
This is correct. The Swedes will be jumping out of their chairs yelling at the Canadians that Naniwa is 100x more scary than HuK and vice versa.... This is just going to turn into a giant shitstorm...
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Taking this weekends results into account, I'd go with:
+ Show Spoiler [My RO16 Picks] +Taeja
MKP
MMA
Polt
DRG
Leenock
NesTea
July
PartinG
Genius
Squirtle
Oz
Lucifron
SeleCT
Happy
ThorZaIN
Stephano
Ret
Sen
Snute
HuK
NaNiWa
elfi
MaNa
My winners choices would be:
+ Show Spoiler [Final 6] +Korea - Terran - MKP - Seems fairly obvious
Korea - Zerg - DRG - Honestly he has not been performing since MLG, but I'd still call him #1
Korea - Protoss - PartinG - MC, Squirtle, Genius & PartinG have all been impressive, but PartinG has been working magic
Foreigner - Terran - Lucifron - Can't believe I'd ever say this, but holy hell did he crush the other foreign T's this weekend
Foreigner - Zerg - Stephano - Don't anyone even dare argue against this lol
Foreigner - Protoss - HuK - Tossup between him and NaNi, but he keeps doing well vs Koreans, so I'll go with HuK
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On April 10 2012 21:19 Ventor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 16:28 hyperknight wrote:
It's kinda pointless putting something like this to a poll, as everybody's fanboy mode gets activated, causing them to choose their favorite players as opposed to who truly are the scariest in the game. And that invariably leads to bashing/bans when they start defending their favorite player and bashing others.
Instead, why not sit down with a few pro-players and ask them who do they find the scariest opponent race-wise and make an article on that instead?
Just my 2 cents... This is correct. The Swedes will be jumping out of their chairs yelling at the Canadians that Naniwa is 100x more scary than HuK and vice versa.... This is just going to turn into a giant shitstorm...
If it helps I just contradicted your logic.
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elfi over nightend?
lalush over livezerg?
sheth over nerchio/dimaga?
bling over titan?
darkforce with 1%?
major 3% away from bratok?
losira clearly over symbol?
and where the fuck is ToD?
compare group B / C foreign toss as well as B / D foreign zerg?
rly, id like this thing to restart, but properly.
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Bratok above the korean grandmaster Major?????
Facepalm.
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On April 10 2012 15:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 15:14 CoR wrote:
can i ask why you exclude TheStC as one of the best terrans overall ?
and maru also , they both way better then most in your top16 any reasons for the exclude ? Maru has become good very newly. He has zero actual achievements, and compared to the list of Terran that are flooded with achievements, dominance, someone like Maru with currently only a 28-21 record in Korea did not impress me. The StC could be put into consideration, but the fact he has never really traveled abroad and never really competed in the GSL made me rather pick the others. He had a good history playing those Giaso cups or whatever where he had a 23 game win streak I believe, and the more I think about what he achieved, I suppose he could be on the list. Even then, from the selected players, I don't feel he really stands much above any of them, I can see putting him above one or two people, but he doesn't blow my mind.
StC travelled abroad, I can't name specific examples besides IPL3 (not sure if he was at IPL4) but I've seen him several times on foreign events... not sure what you are talking about.
also ye ToD is missing, hes better than half of the people on the foreign Protoss list
also no offense to dKiller, but I think you can put any random European grandmaster zerg in the ranking and he's just as good as Killer. but most important, Slivko is missing and hes like 10x better than Killer and some other Zergs on the list..... and VortiX Luci's brother is missing aswell!
also I think while he has no chance of winning DieStar should be at least considered
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On April 10 2012 21:20 HaXXspetten wrote:Taking this weekends results into account, I'd go with: + Show Spoiler [My RO16 Picks] +Taeja
MKP
MMA
Polt
DRG
Leenock
NesTea
July
PartinG
Genius
Squirtle
Oz
Lucifron
SeleCT
Happy
ThorZaIN
Stephano
Ret
Sen
Snute
HuK
NaNiWa
elfi
MaNa My winners choices would be: + Show Spoiler [Final 6] +Korea - Terran - MKP - Seems fairly obvious
Korea - Zerg - DRG - Honestly he has not been performing since MLG, but I'd still call him #1
Korea - Protoss - PartinG - MC, Squirtle, Genius & PartinG have all been impressive, but PartinG has been working magic
Foreigner - Terran - Lucifron - Can't believe I'd ever say this, but holy hell did he crush the other foreign T's this weekend
Foreigner - Zerg - Stephano - Don't anyone even dare argue against this lol
Foreigner - Protoss - HuK - Tossup between him and NaNi, but he keeps doing well vs Koreans, so I'll go with HuK Edit: Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 21:19 Ventor wrote:On April 10 2012 16:28 hyperknight wrote:
It's kinda pointless putting something like this to a poll, as everybody's fanboy mode gets activated, causing them to choose their favorite players as opposed to who truly are the scariest in the game. And that invariably leads to bashing/bans when they start defending their favorite player and bashing others.
Instead, why not sit down with a few pro-players and ask them who do they find the scariest opponent race-wise and make an article on that instead?
Just my 2 cents... This is correct. The Swedes will be jumping out of their chairs yelling at the Canadians that Naniwa is 100x more scary than HuK and vice versa.... This is just going to turn into a giant shitstorm... If it helps I just contradicted your logic.
What's with the jab at my opinion? It just shows that I angered you by saying what I did. I think it's nearly 100% true. Next time Naniwa wins something, watch the LR thread blow up with people from sweden cheering and the same goes with HuK with canadians/americans.
And it wasn't logic which led me to that conclusion, it was observation.
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Polt is the scariest player due his "never give up" mentality.
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On April 10 2012 21:59 Ventor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 21:20 HaXXspetten wrote:Taking this weekends results into account, I'd go with: + Show Spoiler [My RO16 Picks] +Taeja
MKP
MMA
Polt
DRG
Leenock
NesTea
July
PartinG
Genius
Squirtle
Oz
Lucifron
SeleCT
Happy
ThorZaIN
Stephano
Ret
Sen
Snute
HuK
NaNiWa
elfi
MaNa My winners choices would be: + Show Spoiler [Final 6] +Korea - Terran - MKP - Seems fairly obvious
Korea - Zerg - DRG - Honestly he has not been performing since MLG, but I'd still call him #1
Korea - Protoss - PartinG - MC, Squirtle, Genius & PartinG have all been impressive, but PartinG has been working magic
Foreigner - Terran - Lucifron - Can't believe I'd ever say this, but holy hell did he crush the other foreign T's this weekend
Foreigner - Zerg - Stephano - Don't anyone even dare argue against this lol
Foreigner - Protoss - HuK - Tossup between him and NaNi, but he keeps doing well vs Koreans, so I'll go with HuK Edit: On April 10 2012 21:19 Ventor wrote:On April 10 2012 16:28 hyperknight wrote:
It's kinda pointless putting something like this to a poll, as everybody's fanboy mode gets activated, causing them to choose their favorite players as opposed to who truly are the scariest in the game. And that invariably leads to bashing/bans when they start defending their favorite player and bashing others.
Instead, why not sit down with a few pro-players and ask them who do they find the scariest opponent race-wise and make an article on that instead?
Just my 2 cents... This is correct. The Swedes will be jumping out of their chairs yelling at the Canadians that Naniwa is 100x more scary than HuK and vice versa.... This is just going to turn into a giant shitstorm... If it helps I just contradicted your logic. What's with the jab at my opinion? It just shows that I angered you by saying what I did. I think it's nearly 100% true. Next time Naniwa wins something, watch the LR thread blow up with people from sweden cheering and the same goes with HuK with canadians/americans. And it wasn't logic which led me to that conclusion, it was observation.
Huh, what? I'm not upset at all >.>
I also agree with you, of course it'll turn into a huge shitstorm of biased opinions, I just pointed out that there are exceptions...
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I didn't find Incontrol in foreign Protoss, where is he?
That guy is fucking scary man, I would never want to arm wrestle him, that's for sure...
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ToD should definately be on that list. He may not have won anything big, but there is no doubt he is stronger than a lot of those foreign Protosses.
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On April 10 2012 15:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
The StC could be put into consideration, but the fact he has never really traveled abroad and never really competed in the GSL made me rather pick the others. ...
I have to disagree. Look at his accomplishments:
Never traveled abroad? He placed 3rd in IGN ProLeague Season 3 and at MLG Orlando.
never competed in GSL?
The current one maybe? Placing above those players in group A...
1. TheStC 2-0 4-1
2. TaeJa 2-1 5-2
3. Jjakji 1-2 2-5
4. DongRaeGu 0-2 1-4
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who can stay calm knowing your opponent is snute?
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I think a healthy MVP is probably the scariest player so far... I think players like MKP and aLIve have mentioned that they do not have confidence beating MVP...
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Voting seems fairly accurate so far I have to say. Though I have to say, even though Supernova probably shouldn't win that group he deserves more than like 2 % He is mega gosu.
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July should be #1 ezpz. You never know if he's gonna play super greedy or explode 50 banelings in your face. It is scurry.
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Groups are a bit weird, Ret, Nerchio, Sheth and Dimaga in the same group while at the same time Snute, LaLush, Livezerg and Bly are in one, could've mixed those two 50/50 since the first group consists of some of the very best foreign zerg players while the second group holds up and comers or barely average players.
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On April 10 2012 22:42 vthree wrote:
I think a healthy MVP is probably the scariest player so far... I think players like MKP and aLIve have mentioned that they do not have confidence beating MVP...
Yeah, like 6 months ago they may have said that. They have both improved since then.
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I'd just go ahead and say Nestea MvP and MC. They're the most accomplished, and are still arguably the best of their races (MC most definitely).
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On April 10 2012 22:42 vthree wrote:
I think a healthy MVP is probably the scariest player so far... I think players like MKP and aLIve have mentioned that they do not have confidence beating MVP...
MVP has definitely had the highest peak, but he's been going soo downhill lately due to his injuries, I don't know if he's even in the top 10 korean terrans anymore.
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Day two voting has begun. All polls went pretty much as expected, a little bit disappointed about Morrow losing out to Idra, but happy that people put the beast Nerchio through. Competition is getting stiff.
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Very interesting concept behind the poll. It is just quite disheartening to see that most users are voting for the players who already have the majority of the votes in their respective groups.
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Poll with Naniwa and Huk should be interseting to watch...
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Byun/Ghostking is one of the scariest Terrans atm... how is he not included?!
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Marineking is the scariest. Unstoppable TvP. Unstoppable TvZ.
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On April 11 2012 03:38 blacklist_member wrote:
Poll with Naniwa and Huk should be interseting to watch...
Sorry, double post.
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On April 11 2012 03:38 blacklist_member wrote:
Poll with Naniwa and Huk should be interseting to watch...
They are the top 2 foreign protoss IMO. Sucks for the other two players.
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Whitera!! That guy has beaten so many good players and even now without much practice can do so. I bet many are scared of his special tactics!!
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Squirtle/PartinG/Genius in the same group? Damn... gonna go with PartinG though
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Voting will once again be open to about 5:30KST (:
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On April 10 2012 07:48 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:47 Aunvilgod wrote:On April 10 2012 07:21 Yaki wrote:
MMA scariest player in the world imo. TvZ invincible His 50-% TvP makes up for that. Yeah if MMA's tvp/tvt were as good as his tvz he would be the scariest player by far lol xD
Really? Wouldn't have guessed that 80% in each matchup is scary
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How is idra above ret? ret just won redbull, last thing idra won was like.. IPL 1? Not hating but it's just a little strange taht people still think idra is scary, especially when he has almost 100% losing a match record dropping one game. There is absolutely nothing scary about Idra amongst pros.
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On April 10 2012 14:48 Slapshot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag I'm sure Taeja will get a lot of votes because he is in Liquid but if you watched their games lately it is not strange to pick him over Bomber solely based on their play.
On April 10 2012 14:59 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag Maybe his current TLPD.
Taeja is better than Bomber.
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On April 11 2012 08:45 Wasteweiser wrote:
How is idra above ret? ret just won redbull, last thing idra won was like.. IPL 1? Not hating but it's just a little strange taht people still think idra is scary, especially when he has almost 100% losing a match record dropping one game. There is absolutely nothing scary about Idra amongst pros.
Last thing idra won was IEM china I think. I do have to agree though. Idra is a good player and was a beast early on but I feel like as time goes on, he becomes less of the scary player he used to be.
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On April 11 2012 03:46 TheShadower wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 03:38 blacklist_member wrote:
Poll with Naniwa and Huk should be interseting to watch... They are the top 2 foreign protoss IMO. Sucks for the other two players.
Looks like foreigner side is going to go down to Huk Vs Stephano assuming they arent in the same poll for some reason before that I'd guess Korean side to end up as either MMA or MKP winning. Probably due to recent hype it will be MKP but who knows. I'd say both are scarier than DRG but he is the only other potential winner..
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Why so few votes for Bomber? When he is playing well then I can't think of any scarier players. Mules dropping everywhere, constant aggression, dancing units and insane macro. Oh well, people just look at results anyway.
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Hmm, "scariest" player I think is different to "best".
For instance, I think MC and Nestea are scary on account of things outside of just play. Nestea has an aura which makes him appear to be in control of the game. MC has a reputation and thus aura of having a kill switch where he just decides with almost no notice that you're about to die and panic ensues. Perhaps like the Protoss July of SC2.
Players like MKP and MMA are scary in their own right for being consistently dominant in some matchups. DRG and MVP appear to not be at their peak lately, but for quite some time (a longer time for MVP) you basically felt bad for their opponent.
I feel like on recent performances, and completely depending upon GSL this and next week it's a battle between MC, Nestea, MKP and MMA. MKP if people determine recent results are the true meaning of "scary", though I don't think MKP ever has that aura of invincibility due to his unpredictability. Though that is scary in it's own right hehe.
I honestly think MC is the scariest. Not the best in current form, so as a power rank he might only be top 5. Still that guy can wreck. People will probably go Parting for Korean P over MC though, but MC definitely has the aura.
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That first protoss group seems more stacked than the second one.
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MMA and MKP seems to be the strongest terrans, SK_MC and HuK (to an extent) seems to be solid players, DRG and NesTea seems to be the best zergs right now. I could be wrong but we're stating opinions right now so yeah :D
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Terran top 3: MMA, MVP, MKP
Zerg top 3: DRG, Nestea, Leenock
Protoss top 3: MC, Huk, Hero
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On April 10 2012 13:38 Arceus wrote:
lol @ ppl voting Taeja over Bomber just for the sake of his team tag
Taeja is more skilled than Bomber by a good margin. Taeja reminds me a little bit of a terran DRG. Very raw skill style player that sprinkles in some fancy rushes here and there. He will start to show amazing results soon enough I'm sure. (lol more korean terran ownage)
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On April 11 2012 08:49 Mr Showtime wrote:+ Show Spoiler +... or did i not understand the question?
i like your sarcastic re-imagining of the question ... and have to say that yes, brat_ok is clearly the scariest player. socke in 2nd?
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Hey yo, it's past 22:30 CEST, where's the RO4?
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Did you just forget about this thread?
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On April 11 2012 11:28 RoboBob wrote:
Terran top 3: MMA, MVP, MKP
Zerg top 3: DRG, Nestea, Leenock
Protoss top 3: MC, Huk, Hero
I agree with you on the Terran and Zerg top 3, but I would replace Huk and Hero with other Protoss players: PartinG and Genius, probably.
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It's a pity that Naniwa and HuK aren't in different groups, as they're pretty clearly the top two Protoss foreigners.
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Sorry about the few day delay, I've been really busy lately, but Day Three groups are out. These will decide who is the best of each individual race (:
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On April 14 2012 04:07 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 11:28 RoboBob wrote:
Terran top 3: MMA, MVP, MKP
Zerg top 3: DRG, Nestea, Leenock
Protoss top 3: MC, Huk, Hero I agree with you on the Terran and Zerg top 3, but I would replace Huk and Hero with other Protoss players: PartinG and Genius, probably.
Agreed, though maybe PartinG and Oz.
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I like the fact that all the top 3 terrans (MMA, MVP and MKP) are 3 letter names :D!
Voted for MKP!
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And not sure how you guys would like to see the end done.
I could combine the the foreigners with koreans, to find the best two of each race, but it likely wont be very close... The alternative is to create two groups of 6 and have:
A) #1 Korean terran, #1 korean protoss, #1 foreign zerg, #2 korean zerg, #2, foreign terran, #2 foreign protoss
B) #2 Korean terran, #2 korean protoss, #2 foreign zerg, #1 korean zerg, #1 foreign terran, #1 foreign protoss
And the top 2/3 advance into one final group, that's what I was planning, again if there are any alternatives, feel free to suggest.
Edit: I wonder how much Naniwas win is going to influence the Protoss foreigner poll now too.
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On April 14 2012 04:19 SecondSandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:07 Bagration wrote:On April 11 2012 11:28 RoboBob wrote:
Terran top 3: MMA, MVP, MKP
Zerg top 3: DRG, Nestea, Leenock
Protoss top 3: MC, Huk, Hero I agree with you on the Terran and Zerg top 3, but I would replace Huk and Hero with other Protoss players: PartinG and Genius, probably. Agreed, though maybe PartinG and Oz.
Same here.
Most people can definitely agree on the top 2-3 Terrans and Zergs, but with the exception of MC, the top Protosses are a little bit less easy to get down.
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Wow. MKP is totally not scarier than MMA or MVP -_____- Fanboyism.
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On April 14 2012 04:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Wow. MKP is totally not scarier than MMA or MVP -_____- Fanboyism.
Last 2 months disagree with this statement
For the record I was not a believer in MKP until MLG cbus. He is the best Terran player in the world right now though.
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Idra with more votes than sen and nerchio together...
dafuq is wrong with you people :>
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On April 14 2012 04:34 Meser87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Wow. MKP is totally not scarier than MMA or MVP -_____- Fanboyism. Last 2 months disagree with this statement For the record I was not a believer in MKP until MLG cbus. He is the best Terran player in the world right now though.
I agree. I wouldn't call myself a fan of MKP but looking at the last couple of months you cannot deny that he is an absolute top player. Considering that MMA has had a couple of bad tournament runs recently while MKP has basically smashed everything, I think it's reasonable to put him as the best Terran in the world.
If Mvp didn't have his wrist-injuries I think he would still be the scariest player in the world. His play(when he was on top) was imo the closest to flawless SC2 we have seen yet. In some of his games it was basically impossible (for me at least) to point out any flaws.
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On April 14 2012 04:38 Licit wrote:
Idra with more votes than sen and nerchio together...
dafuq is wrong with you people :>
yeah i dont get how idra's better then Sen or Dimaga or even nerchio for that matter ....
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On April 14 2012 04:42 DayWalk3r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:38 Licit wrote:
Idra with more votes than sen and nerchio together...
dafuq is wrong with you people :> yeah i dont get how idra's better then Sen or Dimaga or even nerchio for that matter ....
Do you mean recently or historically? Because historically, none of them are even remotely close to what IdrA has accomplished.
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On April 14 2012 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:42 DayWalk3r wrote:On April 14 2012 04:38 Licit wrote:
Idra with more votes than sen and nerchio together...
dafuq is wrong with you people :> yeah i dont get how idra's better then Sen or Dimaga or even nerchio for that matter .... Do you mean recently or historically? Because historically, none of them are even remotely close to what IdrA has accomplished.
Isn't this thread supposed to find out who is the scariest player at the moment? Because if so, then i'd put both of them above IdrA.
Edit: Hey, I'm a dragoon!
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On April 14 2012 04:34 Meser87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Wow. MKP is totally not scarier than MMA or MVP -_____- Fanboyism. Last 2 months disagree with this statement For the record I was not a believer in MKP until MLG cbus. He is the best Terran player in the world right now though.
Best Terran? I'm not convinced that there is a best Terran. MVP held that title for periods in 2011, but even he couldn't hold on to that distinction for long.
I would agree that right now MKP might be the "hottest" player in the sense that he has done very well recently, but he still needs to prove himself in the GSL (he hasn't made any Ro8 or better performances in Code S since the Super Tournament, though he did get 2nd in Code A since then).
I wish people would give aLive a bit more credit though, even though he bombed out of this season of GSL early. He did make Ro4 and Ro8 runs in the GSL, and won IPL 4.
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On April 14 2012 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:42 DayWalk3r wrote:On April 14 2012 04:38 Licit wrote:
Idra with more votes than sen and nerchio together...
dafuq is wrong with you people :> yeah i dont get how idra's better then Sen or Dimaga or even nerchio for that matter .... Do you mean recently or historically? Because historically, none of them are even remotely close to what IdrA has accomplished.
Nerchio is 5-0 or smth. like that against Idra. I think, he had a time, where he was by far the scariest foreigner and won basically every single online-cup. Sure, he isn´t as accomplished as Idra in big tournaments, but he constantly 2-0 or 3-0 all the big names in europe and while that alone doesn´t make him more succesfull, I think it made him very scary at this point. I don´t see him (Idra) that far ahead against Dimaga or Sen historically either.
Generally I think, that there is a difference between the scariest and the best player. For example in the korean terran vote I would see MKP as the best player right now, but I think MVP is still scarier, because he can beat anyone at anytime and make them look like scrubs. It is just that aura of being the final boss, which MVP or MC have. Other examples would be Flash/Jaedong/Bisu or other high-level broodwar-player. They surely will not be the best players on the day, they switch over, but if you see their name on your loading scream, you will be extremly afraid, despite knowing that, because you know, what they are able to do.
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On April 14 2012 04:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Wow. MKP is totally not scarier than MMA or MVP -_____- Fanboyism.
im not a MKP fan but ya he is currently
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I don't know...when MVP was playing at his best and not taking time off for his wrists, he looked damn good and scary.
But on the other hand...MKP has been tearing it up these last couple of months...
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On April 14 2012 05:14 STDfan wrote:
I don't know...when MVP was playing at his best and not taking time off for his wrists, he looked damn good and scary.
But on the other hand...MKP has been tearing it up these last couple of months...
its about right now as far as i understand, it doesnt matter how MVP was "at his best" for this
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When I entered this thread I thought it was about possible phyical threat and wanted to see if anyone would challenge dimagas position but now I am disappointed...
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On April 14 2012 05:18 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 05:14 STDfan wrote:
I don't know...when MVP was playing at his best and not taking time off for his wrists, he looked damn good and scary.
But on the other hand...MKP has been tearing it up these last couple of months... its about right now as far as i understand, it doesnt matter how MVP was "at his best" for this
I think, that his periode of absolute dominace has still a big influence on his image right now. Just imagine, you are a pro and you are in the final of some tournament and the other semi-final is MKP vs. MVP. I would be more afraid of playing MVP. But I guess, that that is just my personal opinion.
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Why is Violet not on the list? I'd imagine he's just as scary, if not more, than guys like Stephano and DRG. "Scary" being the key term, since Violet is notoriously unpredictable and aggressive. Stephano and DRG, on the other hand, tend to do the same builds from game to game, executing them to near perfection. Still scary, of course, but just in knowing how good they are. To me, scary is the unknown, a la Violet.
Edit: oops, just saw the tiny footnote
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On April 10 2012 07:48 Synergy wrote:
why the hell did people vote idra nearly high as sen... it's ridiculous because idra is doing terrible as of now...
If you only look at results, that's true.
But watch his replays from IPL. He looked awesome in early/mid game, just... wasn't QUITE enough to win the games.
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I can't believe Idra is getting so many votes. His preformace has been really bad for months now.
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Really? Thorzain over Demu? I mean Thorzain is better at starcraft but is that baby face more SCARY than the devil terran?
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you guys are forgetting idra has fanboys so he'll take a section of the vote no matter how he's performing
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its a shame that lastshadow isnt included, if this guy would play some foreign tournaments people would actually know him as the best foreign terran there is.
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MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome, gastroenteritis, and potential cervical disc problems. He's the scariest player ever, still managing to win his games.
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MKP straight ABUSES Terran and its awesome.
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If it would be just their game face, I would NOT EVER mess with Brat_Ok. Excellent player, scariest motherfucker in Starcraft. EITHER Starcraft.
Terran Korea: MKP
Zerg Korea: DRG
Protoss Korea: Parting
Terran Foreign: Thorzain/Kas (HE NEEDS TO PLAY OFFLINE DAMMIT)
Zerg Foreign: Stephano (duh)
Protoss Foreign: Huk
And Thorzain and DeMu are equally baby faced. Its kind of funny that DeMu's nick is counter to his personality. Almost ironic.
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Lols, this is purely a popularity contest at this point, IdrA over Sen... dear GOD.
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Forgot about this thread yet again or what? >.>
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this is actually pretty much like i expected...
Only that Leenock is really better then July, and maybe even better then nestea.
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