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On April 10 2012 07:23 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:51 bblack wrote:On April 10 2012 06:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 06:36 bblack wrote:On April 10 2012 05:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:On April 10 2012 05:24 SupLilSon wrote:On April 10 2012 05:01 Acritter wrote:
Can there really be any debate that there are SIGNIFICANTLY more people for Blizzard to market to in the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, and Korea than in Africa? That's why there's no African server. Simple economics. Really, it blows my mind that this thread is still on the first page. I glanced at the OP when the thread first appeared and figured it was a joke or troll post... LA doesn't have it's own server anymore and it has a much much larger Esports community than Africa. There is absolutely no way to justify an Africa server... Play on TW/KR, I have almost negligent delay playing there from US East Coast.. From someone who lives in South Africa, I would just quit if I were forced to play on a Africa server, I would have to wait years for a game and the level of opponent would be much weaker. I can connect to the EU server fine with no real lag most of the time. Why anyone would want an Africa server is beyond me. Again, the thread isn't about getting a dedicated server for Africa. It's about allowing African players to participate in the Battle.net World Championship. I can understand that you feel like there might be downsides to having your own African server (even if you could still just keep your EU account and play there  ), but wouldn't you want the chance to try out for the World Championship? Oh yes, even if the African slot would basically be a free win for the opponent we are a continent, we have Sc2 players we should have the opportunity to compete. How can Africa get any pro players if we are not given these opportunities. A few pages back someone smartly suggested that someone like yourself should contact Blizzard. Just say you are from SA and ask how you can compete. Care to give that a try? Not actually a bad idea. I will give it a try not that I expect anything to come of it but unless people ask for it Blizzard have no reason to make it happen.
Awesome 
Let us know what happens!
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Yeah my PC (Quite top of the range, got it last year October) Cost equivalent to almost 1k dollars considering today's exchange rate. So I'm not sure what PC you're getting for 200 dollars.
As said a few times before, please for the love of Boxer and all things holy stop thinking this is a thread trying to get an African server. Read some of the posts before you post your own stupidity.
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Ok well after reading this thread this is what i have to say
1: firstly this thread went way overboard from the topic BUMP...
Its not about making a server for Africa its the fact that Blizzard never took into account that there are players in Africa, and leaving us here. The topic was why it was not added. Dose Blizzard not know there are people who play here and that some are good even better than most. It has been posted that there are a few players here in South Africa, and i bet there will be a few despite Africa not being added into the comp they will still play.
2. The point that i saw in this thread that a lot of people live inside a box, i mean really not everyone in the world lives in poverty. Each country has a good and bad side: yes Africa is a troubled continent, but that has nothing to do with SC2. Just because some people dont know whats going on in the world dose not mean its a dump. Why do people just focus on the negative. Always looking into the past, Knowing the past is good to make sure people dont make the same mistakes done before, thats how we learn. The continent as a hole might not have many Gamers out there playing online or being on these forums ( i for one just read threads and when i saw this thread and LOLed and had to give a say here.) One thing i saw here is the Grows lack of knowledge of the world, its sick and sad at the same time, there is more to the world then just your city or your country. Read up on some news and then maybe not sound idiotic when posting on a continent or country you know very little/nothing about.
To end this topic. Africa being a "3rd world continent" is fine and well but there are people in this continent consisting of 50 odd countries, one being South Africa, dont count us out on the gaming world just because we dont play in large comps.
3 South African Gaming community
South Africa has a sizable gaming industry: maybe not as large as USA or European but there is one if you chose to believe it or not thats up to you.
SA has a large LAN and EXPO(http://www.rageexpo.co.za/) every year that hosts one of many comps and the tickets sell out fast last year being sold out in 4 hours.As posted before South African players are split into many games going from FPS (COD, counter Strike, battle field 3 ) RTS (star craft 2, HoN, Dota, Dota 2,LoL) and MMORPGs (WOW, Guild wars and many other online MMOs). There are a lot of SA players out there and i am sure most of them would do well on the comps as WCG IPL ect ect if given the chance. Saying that Due to a fail government and other "Organised Groups" if i could call it that, being epic on a bad way don't cater for gaming teams to be sponsored or helped in any way to play go over seas and play in Comps. But thats another story.
I for one and i know many others watch streams of GSL IPL Blizzcom and many other comps around the world we here watch is like many of you people do. Have a ask in the chat (remembering the time zones when doing this ) how many people are from RSA in the stream chat or even on the GSL IRC chat and see that there are alot of SA players watching. DO it or dont its up to you to see that there are others in the world, the Box is much much bigger on the out side.
summing up this topic. Saying that there are not many Players in SA is a grows understatement and that if wanting to say foolish things like that is madness when no facts are given, I cant say wow there are not many gamers in the US when i have never been there to see how many there really are. There is a lager gaming community out there than most of us really think there is.
4: Technology In South Africa
Now this is a fun topic
I saw in a post someone said we dont know how to build a PC... thats the biggest load of B@LLS$@#T. Most gamers build there own Rigs, most pic the tech they want to be able to play the game they want.
A average gaming Rig costs some what R4000 ($490.80) a good gaming rig would cost from R8000 to R15000 ($981.60 to $1840.49) saying that ask any SA PC gaming fanatic how much they spent on there rig and it will be in the R8k to R15k mark. If more info is wanted i will be glad to give it. These rigs can play the latest games on full graphics thats excluding the Screen being used and the Extras (mouse, keyboard headphones ect ect). This is not what stops South Africa gamers from going onto International servers. The simple fact to that is (and its been said before ) is the telecommunication service provider here in SA is not up to speed which they think they are. Being the only main Line provider to the outside world the monthly cost for the average gamer is crazy. ergo the reason most people in SA play on local servers due to the LAG we get when going onto international servers for FPS. when it comes to RTS Most SC2 players have a good connection to play online on the EU server with minimal lag (more than the other countries ) we are still able to compete online.
Ending this topic on a shocking note (well i think it is ) South Africa is not some country where the gaming community has to walk 10Km away to get water or goes to work riding a elephant. we are like any other gamer in the world, goes to work and after in there free time or after work plays a few games either online or off.
Thats just some info some people miss when it comes to South Africa. We here love gaming like you and every other gaming fan around the world, and there are some good players here too... Like Logan said before, we want to see SA grow and its not going to happen over night but we are coming! South African Players are out there we have dominated in Active Sports and we will Dominated on the eSport front soon. Time will come when.
(note to self dam this post was long hopefully people read it and understand what was said here >< )
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OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point.
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On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students. Show nested quote +
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point.
Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview.
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On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview.
it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful.
maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word.
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why do we have to call people out for being ignorant and complain about it and not try to give them real information?
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On April 12 2012 06:16 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview. Show nested quote +it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful. maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word.
I believe you might be wrongly convinced of your rightfulness. Your hard statistic simply says that there are a lot of people in 'higher education'. But like in some other countries that need 'top universities', a lot of the higher educations aren't all that great or worth all that much. I believe in the OP I talk about a career, not just getting a diploma. If a lot of the universities' diplomas won't help much in the crowded business world of Korea then your statistic doesn't mean so much anymore.
The point is, you might be right, but I see no reason for you to be just yet. On the other side there is someone who actually lives in Korea and actually knows how it works over there who backs up what I posted. This also isn't hard proof whatsoever, but you cannot simply quote a statistic and be convinced my statement can't be correct
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On April 12 2012 06:37 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:16 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview. it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful. maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word. I believe you might be wrongly convinced of your rightfulness. Your hard statistic simply says that there are a lot of people in 'higher education'. But like in some other countries that need 'top universities', a lot of the higher educations aren't all that great or worth all that much. I believe in the OP I talk about a career, not just getting a diploma. If a lot of the universities' diplomas won't help much in the crowded business world of Korea then your statistic doesn't mean so much anymore. The point is, you might be right, but I see no reason for you to be just yet. On the other side there is someone who actually lives in Korea and actually knows how it works over there who backs up what I posted. This also isn't hard proof whatsoever, but you cannot simply quote a statistic and be convinced my statement can't be correct
very eloquently put, but then again I have to disagree. I just checked unemployment rate from CIA website and this is what I got
canada 7.4%
s. korea 3.4%
netherlands 5.2%
united states 9.1%
put the higher education rate and unemployment rate together, I think it's a pretty conclusive case. maybe your friend is telling you his true feeling. But one people's perception is not always true.
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On April 12 2012 07:10 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:37 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 06:16 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview. it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful. maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word. I believe you might be wrongly convinced of your rightfulness. Your hard statistic simply says that there are a lot of people in 'higher education'. But like in some other countries that need 'top universities', a lot of the higher educations aren't all that great or worth all that much. I believe in the OP I talk about a career, not just getting a diploma. If a lot of the universities' diplomas won't help much in the crowded business world of Korea then your statistic doesn't mean so much anymore. The point is, you might be right, but I see no reason for you to be just yet. On the other side there is someone who actually lives in Korea and actually knows how it works over there who backs up what I posted. This also isn't hard proof whatsoever, but you cannot simply quote a statistic and be convinced my statement can't be correct very eloquently put, but then again I have to disagree. I just checked unemployment rate from CIA website and this is what I got canada 7.4% s. korea 3.4% netherlands 5.2% united states 9.1% put the higher education rate and unemployment rate together, I think it's a pretty conclusive case. maybe your friend is telling you his true feeling. But one people's perception is not always true.
Forgive me, but I find it hard to see this as conclusive evidence :p
Perhaps I'm too academically schooled and skeptical because of it, but a reported unemployment rate still isn't very impressive. First of all they are mere statistics, one can find backing evidence for any case if one dives into the wonderful world of statistics (which I teach at our university :p). Second of all, being employed only means having a job. If it's boring, dead-end and for minimum wages, then it's still not a very good result after having put a lot of time and effort into getting schooled. The career world over there may still be very though indeed.
PS, unfortunately it wasn't a friend of mine, but a Korean pro.
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On April 12 2012 07:29 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:10 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 06:37 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 06:16 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview. it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful. maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word. I believe you might be wrongly convinced of your rightfulness. Your hard statistic simply says that there are a lot of people in 'higher education'. But like in some other countries that need 'top universities', a lot of the higher educations aren't all that great or worth all that much. I believe in the OP I talk about a career, not just getting a diploma. If a lot of the universities' diplomas won't help much in the crowded business world of Korea then your statistic doesn't mean so much anymore. The point is, you might be right, but I see no reason for you to be just yet. On the other side there is someone who actually lives in Korea and actually knows how it works over there who backs up what I posted. This also isn't hard proof whatsoever, but you cannot simply quote a statistic and be convinced my statement can't be correct very eloquently put, but then again I have to disagree. I just checked unemployment rate from CIA website and this is what I got canada 7.4% s. korea 3.4% netherlands 5.2% united states 9.1% put the higher education rate and unemployment rate together, I think it's a pretty conclusive case. maybe your friend is telling you his true feeling. But one people's perception is not always true. Forgive me, but I find it hard to see this as conclusive evidence :p Perhaps I'm too academically schooled and skeptical because of it, but a reported unemployment rate still isn't very impressive. First of all they are mere statistics, one can find backing evidence for any case if one dives into the wonderful world of statistics (which I teach at our university :p). Second of all, being employed only means having a job. If it's boring, dead-end and for minimum wages, then it's still not a very good result after having put a lot of time and effort into getting schooled. The career world over there may still be very though indeed. PS, unfortunately it wasn't a friend of mine, but a Korean pro.
hehe this is getting interesting. It seems we have reached a deadlock situation. well then, let's take a look at your reasons.
1) sure you could claim 'hey every statistic can be twisted' but then what do we use for measurement? Basically all you have given me is your theory. I gave you my theory and statistic. What you are saying can be easily interpreted as you trying to throw out my evidence because it does not work for you and you dont have any. If you have any researched evidence that my number is somehow skewed, I'm more than interested to listen to the counter statement. Other than the statement 'I'm too smart to believe this shit' :p
2) It maybe a deadend job, maybe it is not. I dont think both you and I know enough about this matter to say definitely. However I do know this, if I try to become a progamer in korea, I would know it is a INCREDIBLY hard job that requires insane amount of work with little of no return for majority of the players. at least in SC2 case. That much dedication would probably lead me to a decent future even if I started in a pos part time shift job.
As for me, I think this is why SC has grown so large in korea. The internet boom of early 2000 and the emergence of PC cafe. You have to remember SC wasn't only popular amongst serious gamer but played by enormous amount of ppl in s.korea.
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On April 12 2012 08:02 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:29 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 07:10 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 06:37 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 06:16 Govou wrote:On April 12 2012 05:40 bblack wrote:On April 12 2012 05:26 Govou wrote:OP you might be underestimating how many korean univerisites there. I think there are more than enough take all students.
The number of students in higher education had risen from 100,000 in 1960 to 1.3 million in 1987, and the proportion of college-age students in higher-education institutions was second only to the United States.
though I dont know about how much money does it cost, you seem like you are talking about korea based on your imagination just like alot of people here. I think it's best to just remove that part all together. Like you said, it has nothing to do with your point. Perhaps it is incorrect, but certainly not based on solely my own imagination. As I noted in an other post somewhere further down the line, it is something a Korean pro player once said in an interview. it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful. maybe it was a mistranslation maybe he was talking about going to top university. Regardless, your statement is not true. I have a hard statistic to back up my point. You have one people's word. I believe you might be wrongly convinced of your rightfulness. Your hard statistic simply says that there are a lot of people in 'higher education'. But like in some other countries that need 'top universities', a lot of the higher educations aren't all that great or worth all that much. I believe in the OP I talk about a career, not just getting a diploma. If a lot of the universities' diplomas won't help much in the crowded business world of Korea then your statistic doesn't mean so much anymore. The point is, you might be right, but I see no reason for you to be just yet. On the other side there is someone who actually lives in Korea and actually knows how it works over there who backs up what I posted. This also isn't hard proof whatsoever, but you cannot simply quote a statistic and be convinced my statement can't be correct very eloquently put, but then again I have to disagree. I just checked unemployment rate from CIA website and this is what I got canada 7.4% s. korea 3.4% netherlands 5.2% united states 9.1% put the higher education rate and unemployment rate together, I think it's a pretty conclusive case. maybe your friend is telling you his true feeling. But one people's perception is not always true. Forgive me, but I find it hard to see this as conclusive evidence :p Perhaps I'm too academically schooled and skeptical because of it, but a reported unemployment rate still isn't very impressive. First of all they are mere statistics, one can find backing evidence for any case if one dives into the wonderful world of statistics (which I teach at our university :p). Second of all, being employed only means having a job. If it's boring, dead-end and for minimum wages, then it's still not a very good result after having put a lot of time and effort into getting schooled. The career world over there may still be very though indeed. PS, unfortunately it wasn't a friend of mine, but a Korean pro. hehe this is getting interesting. It seems we have reached a deadlock situation. well then, let's take a look at your reasons. 1) sure you could claim 'hey every statistic can be twisted' but then what do we use for measurement? Basically all you have given me is your theory. I gave you my theory and statistic. What you are saying can be easily interpreted as you trying to throw out my evidence because it does not work for you and you dont have any. If you have any researched evidence that my number is somehow skewed, I'm more than interested to listen to the counter statement. Other than the statement 'I'm too smart to believe this shit' :p 2) It maybe a deadend job, maybe it is not. I dont think both you and I know enough about this matter to say definitely. However I do know this, if I try to become a progamer in korea, I would know it is a INCREDIBLY hard job that requires insane amount of work with little of no return for majority of the players. at least in SC2 case. That much dedication would probably lead me to a decent future even if I started in a pos part time shift job. As for me, I think this is why SC has grown so large in korea. The internet boom of early 2000 and the emergence of PC cafe. You have to remember SC wasn't only popular amongst serious gamer but played by enormous amount of ppl in s.korea.
I quietly disagree with you, but as we're rapidly drifting off topic, perhaps it is wisest to just agree to disagree
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On April 07 2012 09:17 GamiKami wrote:
I remember there was a tournament going on in a while ago, and they only managed to scrounge up around 8 players and the finals was a plat level player vs a gold level player. There are very little players in africa, and you cannot expect anyone to be higher than diamond in all of africa. Imho its due to the general lack of technology and the very different culture.
What? Oh yes, and PandaTank, our best player, wasn't a top GM player last season was he?
You do not substantiate your claims in any honorable way, and it is unfair towards us as South African gamers who are trying our best to nurture a massive gaming scene in our country. It may not be the biggest, but we certainly have a LOT of gamers here in South Africa, just not that many SC2 players. We have quite a lot of clans playing games such as CSS, COD, dotA and HoN. There aren't probably many players in the whole of Africa, but just because that may be the truth you assume there are near to none? And whatever that tournament you are referring to is, I'm sure you are mistaken. Even though you might not have referred to our grand monthly Polarfluke tournament, that is a pretty harsh thing to say. By the way, said tournament garners a ton of international interest online, and it boasts one of the biggest prize pools (nearly $900) ever seen in frequent online tournaments. As for the statement that there probably aren't any players higher than diamond "in all of Africa", you are totally wrong. I am diamond now, but there sure are a plethora of Master players out there who could best most in a fairly matched game.
The only problem though is that Blizzard has not recognised the tiny amount of players who are actually playing in Africa. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few outside of South Africa who also game a lot, but they just might not be as prevalent in their respective countries. As I have no qualm with playing on the EU server (the default for any African gamer) with a little higher latency than others, I would never request that we receive an African server in that regard. That may just ruin our experience, as it will be difficult for matchmaking to take place smoothly. One thing I would like to ask Blizzard though is why they cater for each continent, but neglect Africa just because the demographic presents unfavourable statistics in regards to SC2 interest. There are SC2 players here, why did they not just show support to us from the beginning? I mean, Diablo 3's release is near, and I cannot describe how many South Africans have already pre-ordered the game from online stores here. Seriously, I'll have to now go out on my on and buy the CE of Diablo 3 because the pre-orders for it is sold out. Just because there are only a few parts of the continent who present their money in support of the developer we all love, they are not willing to give us something back in return? I know they are not there to cater to our every demand, but surely you would not discriminate against a minority group, let's say at a public function/event, just because they are different than others (bad analogy for trying to explain my point).
All that I would really want uninformed readers to take from this is that, please stop being ignorant about things in Africa. If you choose not to care, then never make a comment about any aspect of the continent. Simple as that.
EDIT - I might as well add, just to boast of sorts (I really like this player) that PandaTank played at IeSF and even made it out of the group stage.
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On April 07 2012 09:12 clickrush wrote:
sc2 is not supported there as far as I know
And you seem to not know much. Please people, this is not a troll post, but stems more out of concern for the general populous of the WORLD. Become informed before posting such things.
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On April 07 2012 09:11 bblack wrote:
With the StarCraft II World Championship Series being announced there have been many questions about the way the world gets divided into 5 continents. Although most people are commenting on Asia-related divisions, to me the most remarkable observation lies in there not being an African continent representative.
While I follow the pro scene quite fanatically and am well aware that there aren't any African pro players, it did get me wondering.
I always figured that SC (and other skill / practice related professions like break-dancing) has grown so large in Korea because it's very difficult to develop a school and work career over there. Even if you're smart, you might have difficulty of being successful.
Then I imagine that the same goes for a lot of less developed countries in, for example, Africa. If you can make a living by becoming successful in SC, as it is right now, why don't any Africans seem to go train full time as a career path?
Is it something to do with technology and internet being unavailable, or lack of teams to support starting pro's, or just ignorance of the possibility, or.. ?
Looking at previous posts, there is some SC action going on in South Afrika, but that does overall seem to be the most 'western' country of the continent anyway.
So, it comes down to this:
I feel like there aren't many African SC players, am I right?
Why is that the case?
EDIT: lot's of people get bogged down on one-liners, saying Africans need food, not gaming, or that I'm retarded for even posting this.
Perhaps I've been unfortunate in my choice of words or the example of Korea (it was just something that got me thinking, not all that relevant to this post). So, to be more clear:
My point is, here in Europe everyone can get into college if you are intelligent enough and want to. You don't need to have money to back it up, and there are more than enough spots for everyone. If you happen to live somewhere where that is not the case, then it might be more tempting to pursue a career in gaming, if there is enough money to be gained by doing so.
If that's a risk that you are able to take, and the alternatives aren't all that safe either, I imagine more people would try to turn pro. The could go for people in some African countries.
I'm not suggesting anything here, merely posing a question. Africa isn't entirely as underdeveloped as you might think, and as it has been pointed out: a lot of African people get into soccer in hopes of being a paid pro.
So why not SC?
uhh dude.. korea has 3.1% unemployment. their economic shape is far better than anywhere in europe. it is NOT hard to get a job, starcraft and games are just a hobby
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On April 07 2012 13:11 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 09:17 GamiKami wrote:
I remember there was a tournament going on in a while ago, and they only managed to scrounge up around 8 players and the finals was a plat level player vs a gold level player. There are very little players in africa, and you cannot expect anyone to be higher than diamond in all of africa. Imho its due to the general lack of technology and the very different culture. Wow an entire continent and no one in their Grandmaster's league T-T
This is ridiculous. As I have stated in a post above, PandaTank, from South Africa, is a pretty good player and was in Grandmaster on the EU server. Why oh why are people so ignorant?
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On April 08 2012 03:10 PandaTank wrote:Wow, so many ignorant comments in this thread its disgusting. Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 09:17 GamiKami wrote:
I remember there was a tournament going on in a while ago, and they only managed to scrounge up around 8 players and the finals was a plat level player vs a gold level player. There are very little players in africa, and you cannot expect anyone to be higher than diamond in all of africa. Imho its due to the general lack of technology and the very different culture. Really? You think the highest player in the WHOLE of Africa is only in diamond? I suppose you also think we have ride elephants to work here.
Another reason I honour PandaTank so much. Look there, he is so humble and all, and he did not even refute your ignorant comment by being matter-of-fact and say he is Grandmaster. Take a lesson from this.
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As a South African you will hear stories of people's perceptions in developed nations of Africa, and how woefully backward they imagine this place to be. I never really believed that people with internet could be so embarrassingly misinformed about an entire continent. Not until now. 
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On April 13 2012 02:19 NeThZOR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 09:12 clickrush wrote:
sc2 is not supported there as far as I know And you seem to not know much. Please people, this is not a troll post, but stems more out of concern for the general populous of the WORLD. Become informed before posting such things.
How is this a troll post, he is merely stating the truth. There is no Africa SC2 server, so it would be harder to play due to connection issues.
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Are there mostly white South Africans and Namibians that are gamers?
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